How Bangladeshis view Pakistanis today?

[Al-zakir]

Hi. I am starting this thread out of mere curiosity since I have never met a Bangladeshi whom I could ask this question. Also I don't know many Bangladeshi members of PDF so I hope @BDforever would tag others for me. Thanks

Note: Please don't dig up our shared history between 1947 - 1971 while discussing on this thread as I have witnessed it to be nothing but mudslinging on both sides.

I find it very odd that you haven't met any Bd's yet. Do you not go to Masjid?

I consider you guys as brother from diffrent mother. My experience mingling with Pakistani has been brotherly. Perhaps because I speak Urdu and share same mentality. Some of my childhood friends from pakistan.


Relation between state to state is all time low thanks to be- hasin bharat Nawaz hasina.

I think bottom line is, it depend upon whom you come across and what's their background.

 

[khair_ctg]

I don't agree with that. I believe a nation should be home mostly to people of the same ethnicity, people who share the same culture, language, genetics, and so on. You can see how multiculturalism bring societies down. Look what's happening to the UK and the U.S, and also many European countries. As white European people lose control of those countries due to mass immigration, they are slowly turning into shit holes; certainly they are not the envious places they once use to be. People from developing and even the developed world use to dream about coming to the UK and the U.S., but today they are happy to stay in their own countries. Just look at what is happening to Pakistan. Punjabis and the Pashtuns are at each other's throats, cannot see eye-to-eye. People of different ethnicities usually cannot stand each other. It's a natural reaction of humans, they cannot help it.

historically the Muslim community of Bengal was not very much based on a fixed ethnic pool. so there were numerous historical ethnicities that mingled together to form the Muslim community in Bengal.

both current Bangladesh and Pakistan exist as a result of multi-ethnic efforts (if Gujarati, Bengali and Punjabi for example are considered different ethnicities) happening in the colonial period. particularly the Muslim communities of Bangladesh, Pakistan and North India have been connected historically for time immemorial. these regions have languages of what is considered the same linguistic family and there was influence or practice of the two languages, Urdu and Persian. so it was not for no reason that these Muslim communities (which you consider different enough to be different countries) worked together to found East and West Pakistan. sorry i find what you wrote ignorant about the very community you consider yourself a part of.

East Pakistan obviously had difference with West Pakistan. no one said they were carbon copies of each other. but the difference did not warrant East Pakistan to change into something else. the roots of the Pakistan movement and the resulting political framework were very embedded in Bengal. and not to mention majority of Pakistanis resided in East Pakistan.

I agree with you. Bangladesh has always had its own distinct culture and always deserved an identity.

Pakistan had to fight wars to keep the land and thats after what local militias had to do to chase out Indian outposts in Pak territory after partition. I am telling you, most new nations born like that would have died.

 

[blain2]

The way I see it, most of the young ones here should not have such hard feelings. There were mistakes made on both sides of the split, but to be very honest the ones born after 1971 need to focus on the future potential between the two countries. Don't forget your history, but let it also not dictate the future.

At a personal level, many of us have had an emotional attachment to the 1971 split. Friends were lost and loved ones perished and this happened on both ends. Perhaps the East Pakistanis have a bigger gripe however it is in the past. Pakistan does not interfere with BD's growth. Nobody in Pakistan wants BD to be amalgamated with the Pakistan of today (its not even wishful thinking any more) and the BD's have to chart their own course now proudly and confidently without always getting pulled down by the historical baggage.

I have met many BD's overseas and for that matter Indians as well. As long as you keep politics out, all of us have similar issues to deal with and this is where the commonality is. Politics, even here, don't really lead to any resolution. It is not cathartic to discuss it as nobody gets closure. I know what I am saying runs contrary to the purpose of a discussion board, but the reality is that the more we push nationalistic lines, the harder the stances.

One of my very best friends is a Bangladeshi couple. People with hearts of gold. I can say the very same about apnay (Pakistani) log as well and I have come across very many decent and upright Indians. One an IA Arty Lt Col in Canada who had very many misgivings about Pakistanis and specially those of us with military liks but having met my family at close quarters, he overcame most if not all of his misgivings.

Politics need to take a back seat if trust is to be built and reinforced.

 

[khair_ctg]

The way I see it, most of the young ones here should not have such hard feelings. There were mistakes made on both sides of the split, but to be very honest the ones born after 1971 need to focus on the future potential between the two countries. Don't forget your history, but let it also not dictate the future.

At a personal level, many of us have had an emotional attachment to the 1971 split. Friends were lost and loved ones perished and this happened on both ends. Perhaps the East Pakistanis have a bigger gripe however it is in the past. Pakistan does not interfere with BD's growth. Nobody in Pakistan wants BD to be amalgamated with the Pakistan of today (its not even wishful thinking any more) and the BD's have to chart their own course now proudly and confidently without always getting pulled down by the historical baggage.

I have met many BD's overseas and for that matter Indians as well. As long as you keep politics out, all of us have similar issues to deal with and this is where the commonality is. Politics, even here, don't really lead to any resolution. It is not cathartic to discuss it as nobody gets closure. I know what I saying runs contrary to the purpose of a discussion board, but the reality is that the more we push nationalistic lines, the harder the stances.

One of my very best friends is a Bangladeshi couple. People with hearts of gold. I can say the very same about apnay (Pakistani) log as well and I have come across very many decent and upright Indians. One an IA Arty Lt Col in Canada who had very many misgivings about Pakistanis and specially those of us with military liks but having met my family at close quarters, he overcame most if not all of his misgivings.

Politics need to take a back seat if trust is to be built and reinforced.

i appreciate your forward looking thoughts. but former East Pakistanis had their national framework turned upside down by India. since 1971, India has or tried to directly control who gets to govern this land called Bangladesh. i wish what happened in 1971 was just brethrens parting ways because of the already-separated geography. but 1971 Indian invasion has been an ever-present issue for us

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Hi. I am starting this thread out of mere curiosity since I have never met a Bangladeshi whom I could ask this question. Also I don't know many Bangladeshi members of PDF so I hope @BDforever would tag others for me. Thanks .

I dont think Bangladeshi view about Pakistanis will be any better they have about Indian forces along the border between Bangladesh and India

 

[khair_ctg]

According to my own experiences, Bangladeshi people are very warm towards us and only a small minority carries a dislike. But the dislike is in a competitive sense, not in an ethnic sense. Racially they carry no grudges, and as a matter of fact, they like us in that department. Their women at least; hey no offence(don't shoot the messenger).

From what I noticed, most South Asians-including Indian muslims and Nepalese, but not too sure about Sri Lankans- have a positive view about us Pakistanis despite a lot of negative stereotypes associated with us.

Now as for some Pakistanis, who have never usually met a Bangladeshi in life; they consider Bangladeshis as traitors without realizing many mistakes that west Pakistanis and our establishment made. We shoved our urdu agenda down their butthole expecting them to forget their own ancient language. This urdu agenda is still being shoved down all the non-urdu speaking Pakistanis' buttholes. Like I respect it as a lingua franca, but it literally makes my blood boil seeing some random Karachiwalas calling Lahoris "paindoo" when Lahoris use a punjabi word here or there. Like it's natural for other words to infuse in your language. In Islamabadi urdu, a lot of Potohari words have creeped in similarly but a lot of people with an urdu agenda expect us to forget our own, more purer, languages completely for a 200 year old dialect of hindi. Lol.

Also, we did not let them form government despite them winning a majority and we also started an ethnically motivated military operation against them. The west Pakistani establishment considered them inferior.

when you say ""we" shoved it down" - who is the "we" there? arguably Bengali Muslims supported Urdu's continuation in East Bengal more than West Pakistani or Muhajirs did. Khwaja Nazimuddin was a Bengali whose mother tongue was Urdu but almost all educated Bengalis of his time were well versed in Urdu. i don't know about Punjab, but Bengal has long history with Urdu.

and the so-called "ancient language" is not even a language that was developed for Muslims or one that is suitable for Muslims. this is the formal Hinduized Bengali i am referring to. our native Bengali dialects that are associated with Muslims are getting erased everyday by the Hinduized formal Bengali. Muslim Bengal have rich history with Persian and Urdu. however what happened in the 1950s was the Hinduized Bengali language was getting shoved down on us and our Urdu practise was being almost criminalized by the left-leaning Tagore loving mushriks

 

[bongbang]

when you say ""we" shoved it down" - who is the "we" there? arguably Bengali Muslims supported Urdu's continuation in East Bengal more than West Pakistani or Muhajirs did. Khwaja Nazimuddin was a Bengali whose mother tongue was Urdu but almost all educated Bengalis of his time were well versed in Urdu. i don't know about Punjab, but Bengal has long history with Urdu.

and the so-called "ancient language" is not even a language that was developed for Muslims or one that is suitable for Muslims. this is the formal Hinduized Bengali i am referring to. our native Bengali dialects that are associated with Muslims are getting erased everyday by the Hinduized formal Bengali. Muslim Bengal have rich history with Persian and Urdu. however what happened in the 1950s was the Hinduized Bengali language was getting shoved down on us and our Urdu practise was being almost criminalized by the left-leaning Tagore loving mushriks

Seeing your comments above and feeling your frustration my partial instincts say how grave mistake was 1947 partition. Where you had to leave your ancestors home and later became stateless after 1971. How Muslims have to suffer in India like WB, Bihar, UP and Assam due to that 47 partition. And Rohingyas in Arakan

 

[Al-zakir]

when you say ""we" shoved it down" - who is the "we" there? arguably Bengali Muslims supported Urdu's continuation in East Bengal more than West Pakistani or Muhajirs did. Khwaja Nazimuddin was a Bengali whose mother tongue was Urdu but almost all educated Bengalis of his time were well versed in Urdu. i don't know about Punjab, but Bengal has long history with Urdu.

and the so-called "ancient language" is not even a language that was developed for Muslims or one that is suitable for Muslims. this is the formal Hinduized Bengali i am referring to. our native Bengali dialects that are associated with Muslims are getting erased everyday by the Hinduized formal Bengali. Muslim Bengal have rich history with Persian and Urdu. however what happened in the 1950s was the Hinduized Bengali language was getting shoved down on us and our Urdu practise was being almost criminalized by the left-leaning Tagore loving mushriks

We speak syloti and urdu. I personally hate this so called "formal Tagorized bangla". It sound gay and Hindu. I speak syloti mix with every Bangladeshi I meet.

Awami kuffar bastards eliminating all muslim origin word from Bangla. You do not get to here words like khushamdeed, marhoom, dua in mainstream medias. Lanat on these Haramkoor maloon.

Bangla( Dilect) is not a problem. Our main problem is Hindu Devanagari script. We must discard this script and replace it with Persian script like urdu.

 

[Slayer786]

I have had some Bangladeshi friends. They are nice people just like any normal Pakistani or even Indians(yup I also have some Indians friends). Whenever I meet them we never discuss past politics. Why? What for? What has happened cannot be changed. We in New Zealand go do BBQs at Beach Resort with each other, or family road trips to other holiday town, live together in motel rooms. Eat together and enjoy. Have a good time, respect our culture, our religion. Our children are going to the same school and are best friends.
I think it will be the same with any Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Indian outside their country living in a foreign country. If we can be friends with each other outside, why cant we be friends while living in our country.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

very poor knowledge on BD.

Sorry I meant to say WONT be any better

 

[B+ Dracula]

Bangladeshi people always respect the muslim brotherhood with Pakistani friends.

 

[Al-zakir]

Bd's is comparatvly weak and our leaders are spineless against indias agression. As a result bd civilian get shot on the boarder by BSF. Our spineless gaddar politician won't allow our solder shot back.

So every time pakistan shot dead some Maloon bsf, we feel as we took some revenge.

Another time we give all out support to Pakistsn when there is a cricket match between pakistan-India.

So I think although we got separated yet some connection still exist.

 

[khair_ctg]

We speak syloti and urdu. I personally hate this so called "formal Tagorized bangla". It sound gay and Hindu. I speak syloti mix with every Bangladeshi I meet.

Awami kuffar bastards eliminating all muslim origin word from Bangla. You do not get to here words like khushamdeed, marhoom, dua in mainstream medias. Lanat on these Haramkoor maloon.

Bangla( Dilect) is not a problem. Our main problem is Hindu Devanagari script. We must discard this script and replace it with Persian script like urdu.

...and also like other 'Indic' languages like Punjabi, Gujarati, Sindhi and others which also have Persian-Arabic script for Muslims

 

[Green Arrow]

I have met lot of Bangladeshis in UK and i also spent some time in BD too. My own experience of meeting with BD is good and i find them very good and friendly people.

 

[khair_ctg]

Seeing your comments above and feeling your frustration my partial instincts say how grave mistake was 1947 partition. Where you had to leave your ancestors home and later became stateless after 1971. How Muslims have to suffer in India like WB, Bihar, UP and Assam due to that 47 partition. And Rohingyas in Arakan

yes 1947 "was a grave mistake" because in your opinion Muslims should have continued to live like second-class citizens and continued to go downhill socio-economically.

and if you think 1947 Partition is the reason that the three countries of the Indo-Pak don't get along, you are wrong. the reasons are because of our imperialist greed, especially what India's like what it has been doing with Kashmir, Murshidabad, East Bengal, etc. ever since 1947.

yes Bangladeshis and Pakistanis of Muhajir background suffered and they left their old homes in India. but when did i say my family had to leave their ancestral homes in 1947? there always based in the south of today's BD. ar kotha pao na?