Hoodbhoy, I didn't expect this from you

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

"Nuke scientist" my left foot. As if someone of the venerable AQ Khan's standard would spout such nonsense.
Also, this fraudulent Hoodbhoy character is focusing on Bangladesh an awful lot. Jinnah was dead long before that drama started. I can't really understand what his criticism of jinnah is based on. Jinnah did his job, to be a political leader to guide us towards and initiate Pakistan and to warn us of Hindutva conspiracies against Pakistan.

He can't jolly well hold our hands forever!

The completion of the Pakistan project was not his responsibility - that falls on us. Hitherto we are struggling but there's time to turn things around. Jinnah himself even alluded to this - he laid the foundation stones - we Pakistanis ourselves must carry on that legacy.

"They're the friends of our enemies" - Jinnah at the Dacca University in 1948 after observing the open rebellion of the Bangal students, at the behest of their Hindu masters, on the question of Urdu - the most distinguishing feature of the Muslims in the sub-continent - being the state language. The students of the Dacca University were at the forefront to break the largest Muslim state of the time. This is called vision...

"BD is the most successful RAW ops" - B Raman, former Deputy Chief of RAW

This Haramzade has sold his soul to Satan....

 

[Last starfighter]

buau

buuuhahhahaaa... What is he taking? prozac, zoloft, xannax, hash or cocaine? he is neurotically disturbed all of a sudden... he needs some medicines for brain stability..

All of the above.
At the same time

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Hoodbhoy is one of those people that really needs to STFU when it comes to Pakistani history and current affairs.

He needs to stick to academia.

Isn’t there an existing thread on this arseholes article?

 

[gangsta_rap]

we need to bring back JI Thundersquads into campuses

 

[PradoTLC]

Not agreeing to something is a different matter, Not accepting something is else.
I also have problems with situation in Pakistan, but what I saw in following video totally left me speechless.

From an honorable person to a traitor.
Or yeh background main Talian kon baja raha tha is Bakwas pe?
@Dubious @Major Sam @Syed Hammad Ahmed @dexter

really?.. were u there in 1947?...

what a clown.. if Jinnah was confused about Pakistan what are you doing in Pakistan?..

seriously if this clown was born in India he would be a toliet cleaner at best

 

[krash]

I think India and Pakistan both are confused and were created by the British empire. If they were smaller countries divided among ethnic lines, that landmass would be way more prosperous.

Should've told us that before we saved Sri Lanka from being "divided among ethnic lines".

Don't worry, we'd do it again.

This idiot is fake. He got his degrees? From eXact on line

False allegations don't help us. Let's stay away from them.

 

[Uguduwa]

Should've told us that before we saved Sri Lanka from being "divided among ethnic lines".

Don't worry, we'd do it again.

??? I see this all over the forum??? How is selling weapons "saving us"? Russia and China sold majority of the weapons. LTTE was just an insurgency turned into a conventional military. It was a matter of time until it was defeated by a conventionally superior military. Their weapons were outdated and as an illegal entity they were barred from having modern weapons so they would eventually be disposed anyway. The tactics that were used were also developed ingeniously in Sri Lanka and one factor that made a big difference was a determined leadership that would hold on to achieving the goal despite civilian casualties. Jeezz educate yourself instead of being deluded. If these factors were present in the beginning then there wouldn't have been an LTTE in the first place.

 

[SIPRA]

Dr. Hoodbhoy is so much drowned in framing and propagating his half backed political theories; that, may be, by now, he would have forgotten, even, the Newton's First Law, as far as physics is concerned.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

I think India and Pakistan both are confused and were created by the British empire. If they were smaller countries divided among ethnic lines, that landmass would be way more prosperous.

No. That’s a very superficial analysis, especially when it comes to Pakistan. Pakistan divided into smaller countries would have been in the control of the feudal’s and landed aristocracy even more than it is now. Afghanistan has never stopped claiming Pakistani territory all the way East to the Indus and South to the Arabian Sea which means that you would have seen even more conflict as Afghanistan tried to militarily take over various parts of a weak and divided Pakistan.

Where you had a minority ruler ruling a majority (J&K for example) the communal conflict would have been even worse. The Maharajah in J&K massacred, by some estimates, 200,000 Muslims in Jammu turning them from a majority into a minority. That kind of communal violence would have been worse, as would the violence in a unified Punjab and Bengal as independent countries.

 

[Uguduwa]

No. That’s a very superficial analysis, especially when it comes to Pakistan. Pakistan divided into smaller countries would have been in the control of the feudal’s and landed aristocracy even more than it is now. Afghanistan has never stopped claiming Pakistani territory all the way East to the Indus and South to the Arabian Sea which means that you would have seen even more conflict as Afghanistan tried to militarily take over various parts of a weak and divided Pakistan.

Where you had a minority ruler ruling a majority (J&K for example) the communal conflict would have been even worse. The Maharajah in J&K massacred, by some estimates, 200,000 Muslims in Jammu turning them from a majority into a minority. That kind of communal violence would have been worse, as would the violence in a unified Punjab and Bengal as independent countries.

But Afghanistan is also an ethnic mess. What do you think is the solution for this landmass? In my opinion status quo doesn't work. Having this landmass with over 1 billion people under constant conflict is unproductive and irrational.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

But Afghanistan is also an ethnic mess. What do you think is the solution for this landmass? In my opinion status quo doesn't work. Having this landmass with over 1 billion people under constant conflict is unproductive and irrational.

The solution is to allow established international dispute resolution mechanisms, such as the United Nations Security Council, to work.

With respect to India & Pakistan disputes, a means of dispute resolution outlined in the UNSC Resolutions on J&K already exists - a UN led plebiscite. It is India that has refused to abide by that and so long as India refuses to accept fair and independent arbitration, conflicts will continue in the region. Either that or everyone just accepts Indian hegemony.

With respect to Afghanistan & Pakistan - the same. The Afghans need to approach the UN or other relevant international arbitration body to push their case of ownership of Pakistani territory (they don’t have a legal case which is why the Afghans have always gone for a military or proxy solution).

 

[krash]

??? I see this all over the forum??? How is selling weapons "saving us"? Russia and China sold majority of the weapons.

Expected a vociferous a proponent of self-education, such as yourself, to have partook a bit more in it yourself. In hopes of not going too off topic I'd advise you to go through this very forum, if google seems too cumbersome.

If not then asking your prime minister

Sri Lanka thanks Pakistan for help in wiping out terror

Your army chief,

Sri Lanka thanks Pakistan for ‘incessant support’ in fight against terror

Sri Lankan army chief thanks Pakistani counterpart for 'incessant support'

The Tamil Tigers who targeted Pakistani diplomats and presented the views below,

Pakistan ‘guiding’ Sri Lanka’s war

Or even the Indian government at the time which was whining about Pakistani help to Sri Lanka through stationed advisers and supply of advance military hardware on lines of credit, sought first and rejected by the US, UK and India, would also help.

Pakistan played major role in LTTE defeat: Sources

LTTE was just an insurgency turned into a conventional military.

Aha, "just an insurgency". Just an armed movement based on ethnic divides which almost tore Sri Lanka apart. Totally different from today's Pakistan where ethnic divides do not, have not mattered nearly as much but is still thought better, by yourself, to have been divided on ethnic lines.

Strikes a nerve, no?

It was a matter of time until it was defeated by a conventionally superior military.

Yeah, the state's military wasn't exactly very superior to them, as evident by LTTE gains and Sri Lankan requests to various countries for more advance military hardware.

Their weapons were outdated and as an illegal entity they were barred from having modern weapons

So were the Sri Lankan army's. Until foreign help was provided after the Sri Lankan government went around the world asking for it.

so they would eventually be disposed anyway.

Didn't look like that to anyone for quite a few years. Not even to the much better equipped Indian forces which came to Sri Lanka's aid. At least not until foreign help was provided.

The tactics that were used were also developed ingeniously in Sri Lanka

Good. Bet those foreign advisers stationed in Sri Lanka upon Sri Lanakan requests had no hand in it at all.

and one factor that made a big difference was a determined leadership that would hold on to achieving the goal despite civilian casualties.

And the resolve of the Sri Lankan people. No doubt it was the Sri Lankan's who did defeat the Tigers, regardless of the amount of foreign help provided by anyone.

Jeezz educate yourself instead of being deluded.

Yeah, sure. I don't see why not.

If these factors were present in the beginning then there wouldn't have been an LTTE in the first place.

Well, according to your own suggestion, had Sri Lanka been "divided among ethnic lines", there indeed "wouldn't have been an LTTE in the first place".

 

[Uguduwa]

Expected a vociferous a proponent of self-education, such as yourself, to have partook a bit more in it yourself. In hopes of not going too off topic I'd advise to go through this very forum, if google seems too cumbersome.

If not then asking your prime minister

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1022644/sri-lanka-thanks-pakistan-for-help-in-wiping-out-terror/

Your army chief,

https://gulfnews.com/world/asia/pak...ant-support-in-fight-against-terror-1.2021592

https://economictimes.indiatimes.co...ant-support/articleshow/58498898.cms?from=mdr

The Tamil Tigers who targeted Pakistani diplomats and presented the views below,

https://www.tamilguardian.com/content/pakistan-‘guiding’-sri-lanka’s-war

Or even the Indian government at the time which was whining about Pakistani help to Sri Lanka through stationed advisers and supply of advance military hardware on lines of credit, sought first and rejected by the US, UK and India, would also help.


https://www.business-standard.com/a...le-in-ltte-defeat-sources-109052800127_1.html





Aha, "just an insurgency". Just an armed movement based on ethnic divides which almost tore Sri Lanka apart. Totally different from today's Pakistan where ethnic divides do not, have not mattered nearly as much but still thought better, by yourself, to have been divided on ethnic lines.

Strikes a nerve, doesn't it?




Yeah, the state's military wasn't exactly very superior to them, as evident by LTTE gains and Sri Lankan requests to various countries for more advance military hardware.



So were the Sri Lankan army's. Until foreign help was provided after the Sri Lankan government went around the world asking for it.



Didn't look like that to anyone for quite a few years. At least not until foreign aid was provided.




Good. Bet those foreign advisers stationed in Sri Lanka upon Sri Lanakan requests had no hand in it at all.




And the resolve of the Sri Lankan people. No doubt it was the Sri Lankan's who did defeat the Tigers, regardless of the amount of foreign help provided by anyone.



Yeah, sure. I don't see why not.



Well, according to your own suggestion, had Sri Lanka been "divided among ethnic lines", there indeed would not have been an LTTE in the first place.

"HELP" = providing arms and some training doesn't mean "saving"

anyway no point of arguing with the likes of you. Pakistan "saved" sri lanka", pakistan broke soviet union, pakistan also defeated the US in Afghanistan. Happy now?

 

[krash]

"HELP" = providing arms and some training doesn't mean "saving"

You obviously went through the articles above.

But sure, "Should've told us that before we helped Sri Lanka against being divided among ethnic lines". Pretty sure the point still stands.

anyway no point of arguing with the likes of you.

Well obviously you can't.

Pakistan "saved" sri lanka", pakistan broke soviet union, pakistan also defeated the US in Afghanistan. Happy now?

You're welcome.