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HJ 12 E Anti Tank Next Gen Fire and forget missile launchers for Pakistan army

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BROTHER THERE IS NO OFFICIAL SOURCE BUT I HAVE A WORD WITH INNER SOURCE FEW MONTHS AGO HE SAID THERE ARE TRIALS GOING ON IN THINK FROM THIS YEAR JANUARY BECAUSE PAK ARMY'S TOW ANTI TANK MISSILES ARE GETTING OLD SO TECH GETTING CHANGE AT FAST PACE
BRO TAKE MY WORD AND HAVE FAITH ON ME HJ 12 EXIST IN PA INVENTORY
 
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Firstly, these are not newer rounds, you don't even know what you are blabbering about, the datasheet is from early 2000 when those rounds failed the QA test. These are not Mk2 rounds.

Second, what is the logic that a product from the 80s is obsolete? So M4s are obsolete or B-52? And as for inventory, as I have shown the 2014 order is of the size of 66000 rounds, for T-72 and T-90, which half of the fleet?

Here he detailed it beautifully


You don't even know the difference between Reddit posts and forums. And of you try to read they actually saying 680 mm. I mean wow.
God what an idiot. Won’t even bother to read what I said. When did I say being from the 80s makes something automatically obsolete? I specifically talk a about the case of tank ammo, where 80s means obsolete, and I already told you why. PA had BM42 in the 90s and has moved on from it thrice over with better ammo. IA is getting it in 2019 And even then half the fleet may not be able to use it.

Not saying if anyone is right or wrong


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Found the leaked document you're referring toView attachment 886902
This “leaked” information was basically already known beforehand by simple analysis, it just didn’t exist in clear cut text. i don’t see why he was making a big deal out of it is all, or why he was using it as a comparison to show that BM42 or Indian ammo isn’t outdated, especially through a Reddit post.
 
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BROTHER THERE IS NO OFFICIAL SOURCE BUT I HAVE A WORD WITH INNER SOURCE FEW MONTHS AGO HE SAID THERE ARE TRIALS GOING ON IN THINK FROM THIS YEAR JANUARY BECAUSE PAK ARMY'S TOW ANTI TANK MISSILES ARE GETTING OLD SO TECH GETTING CHANGE AT FAST PACE
Don't spread rumors if you haven't strong backup this is a strict rule on this forum
And do tell us what's your Inner source please

So I reckon this thread should be close until someone will come with strong backup

@waz @The Eagle @LeGenD please close this thread thanks
 
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Indian nag what a joke….. the spike is a good weapon!

I was wondering when Pakistan would go for this we have always had superiority over Indian in ATGMS as india always had more tanks. I believe we have 60-80 k stocks of green arrow right now! Hopefully the new weapons come with TOT?

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India's ATGM stocks are larger than Pakistan, mainly comprising of Konkurs, Milan ( both made in india) as well as smaller quantities Of Spike( frontline units) and Kornet. India also has 25,000 Invar Anti tank cannon launched missiles for T90 tanks, this missile has been made in india since 2013 . I don't think Pakistan has similar missile for it's tanks , even if it does the quantity may not be large enough.
 
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India's ATGM stocks are larger than Pakistan, mainly comprising of Konkurs, Milan ( both made in india) as well as smaller quantities Of Spike( frontline units) and Kornet. India also has 25,000 Invar Anti tank cannon launched missiles for T90 tanks, this missile has been made in india since 2013 . I don't think Pakistan has similar missile for it's tanks , even if it does the quantity may not be large enough.
Indian ATGM stocks are definitely larger and more advanced than Pakistani ones. However the size ratio (number of ATGMs per troops) is unknown to me, that would be the actual indicator because the Indian army is just substantially larger in general.

Pakistan also has the same tank-launched ATGMs as india (9M119M). The initial order back in 1999 was of 1920 missiles from Bulgaria, further orders are unknown but were likely placed because the Al-Khalid uses the same ATGMs. Hence Pakistan had Invar in service before india did.
 
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Indian ATGM stocks are definitely larger and more advanced than Pakistani ones. However the size ratio (number of ATGMs per troops) is unknown to me, that would be the actual indicator because the Indian army is just substantially larger in general.

Pakistan also has the same tank-launched ATGMs as india (9M119M). The initial order back in 1999 was of 2000 missiles, further orders are unknown but were likely placed because the Al-Khalid uses the same ATGMs. Hence Pakistan had Invar in service before india did.
Thank you for pointing this out. But it conveys my point that the quantity of the stock isn't as large as the indian one. But you may be right about the troop to ATGM ratio because from what I know Pakistan army has HAT and LAT battalions at corps and division level respectively whereas IA dosen't have any such unit other than a few brigade of the guards battalions which have now been converted exclusively to mechanised infantry
 
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Another option from Turkey is also on the way
 
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Thank you for pointing this out. But it conveys my point that the quantity of the stock isn't as large as the indian one. But you may be right about the troop to ATGM ratio because from what I know Pakistan army has LAT and HAT battalions at corps and division level respectively whereas IA dosen't have any such unit other than a few brigade of the guards battalions which have now been converted exclusively to mechanised infantry
Both the Indian and Pakistani forces don’t really have that much emphasis on tank launched ATGMs as a part of doctrine. Pakistan seems to have skipped them altogether with the VT-4, having not bought the GP-5 ATGM. So I assume Indian ATGM stocks are larger anyways, even with the several thousand Pakistan may have.

Pakistan doesn’t currently have any top-attack or non-wire guided ATGMs in service (at least not publicly), the HJ-8 and TOWs are still capable but (most) are older variants. The Kornets are too small in number. HJ10/12 is an inevitability for Pakistan if the Z10ME is inducted.
 
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Thank you for pointing this out. But it conveys my point that the quantity of the stock isn't as large as the indian one. But you may be right about the troop to ATGM ratio because from what I know Pakistan army has HAT and LAT battalions at corps and division level respectively whereas IA dosen't have any such unit other than a few brigade of the guards battalions which have now been converted exclusively to mechanised infantry
Let's not forget their many R&S units, both wheeled and tracked, which are fully equivalent to our LAT and HAT units. And then they have their separate Guards units.
 
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Let's not forget their many R&S units, both wheeled and tracked, which are fully equivalent to our LAT and HAT units. And then they have their separate Guards units.
What are this R and S units and what’s their equipment and mission ?
 
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Let's not forget their many R&S units, both wheeled and tracked, which are fully equivalent to our LAT and HAT units. And then they have their separate Guards units.
R&S units are exclusive to RAPID and armoured divisions and not every fighting formation whereas in the case of PA , LAT units are held by every division. Guards units Have been operating as mechanised infantry for quite some time from what I know and not as dedicated anti tank units, I may be wrong.
The advantage indian R&S units have is that their equipment profile and role is more diverse than PA's HAT/LAT units making them a tad more versatile.
 
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