Hitler's Speeches: Revisiting a Unique Phenomenon of History

[Super Falcon]

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Interestingly enough, what the Western Democracies accuse Hitler of intending to do they them selves have done.

Invading countries left and right, forcing Democracy down others throats, destabilizing entire regions and transforming them into battlefields, sticking their noses in the affairs of every country in the world and policing others into following their rules. Imposing economic sanctions on entire countries and starving their populations, crippling their economies. All of this after evil Hitler has been rid off from this world.

Fully agree with u if hittler was evil they are trillion times more evil

 

[Desert Fox]

Basically my point is by abandoning the war with england midway he gave in to what the molotov ribbentrop pact had avoided -a 2 front war.Without engalnd america even with millions of men couldn't invade europe nor could US bombers attack europe,they would have been effectively unable to employ their industrial strength in any manner.

You have to take into account the immediate threat to Germany in 1940. Britain could not threaten mainland Europe in 1940, the Soviet Union could threaten to undermine Germany's gains in Europe. The Soviet threat was becoming increasingly prominent in the East by the time the Battle of Britain came to a draw down in late October, 1940. Even if Germany continued the war against the British mainland it would take more than just aerial bombardment to subdue Britain, but rather a full fledged seaborne amphibious invasion which would have required considerable resources to assemble and equip this type of force.

The prevailing belief within the German high command was that Britain was betting on a Soviet attack from the East to open a second front, and there was reliable evidence to support this.

I am talking about taking it by force or ultimatum in late 1940.At this time wehrmacht was not involved in greece or yugoslavia.Wehrmacht usually crushed its enemies in europe in 2-3 weeks at most,i don't think the spanish lacking modern equipment would have been able to resist much longer.In fact franco would probably have caved in to an ultimatum.Once Gibraltar is taken(advocated by raeder) british empire in medditerranean and mideast would have collapsed.He would have another front against russia and oil.Italy could be given north africa.

The plannings for large scale offensive operations like the one in Greece preceded the actual operation itself, so surely the Germans were already considering occupying these countries in late 1940.

Secondly, regardless if Spain wasn't a match for the Wehrmacht, that's still one more country the Wehrmacht would become involved in, even bogged down in a possible partisan war and that would also further stretch the western coastline the Germans would need to fortify against a possible allied invasion. A military operation isn't something that one just does and its over, rather hundreds of thousands of men are mobilized, fuel & equipment is allocated, etc..

Also, an ultimatum would have only pushed Franco into the British camp and would have lost the Wehrmacht the element of surprise in any military operation against Spain.

He could have delayed the war until britain had been defeated if he had to invade,which i don't believe was necessary.Soviets were not in a position to threaten germany at that immediate juncture,army being in a stage of transformation.

When you have sufficient evidence that someone is about to attack you it is only a matter of time before they do. Therefore it would be wrong to contemplate when this attack will occur rather than take the necessary countermeasures yourself.

Britain wasn't giving up any time soon with the US backing it. Nothing short of a seaborne invasion would have effectively knocked Britain out of the fight for good and that in itself was too costly an option in terms of time and resources required for assembling the required forces when the immediate threat to Germany on continental Europe was the Soviet Union. Certainly they were a threat as the Red Army was poised to launch its own offensive against Germany no later than July, 1941.

No this responsibility lies on Hitler alone and his sycophants.There is no sugarcoating it.His generals thought it was madness.He couldn't even secure a promise from the japanese to wage war on USSR in return.What the usa sent to britain was peanuts compared to what would come after it was war,he must have known that.No amount of u-boats were going to stop the armada of usaf aircraft in britain or a new us army reinforcing the british in north africa.It was a genuine moment of madness - especially considering the soviet counteroffensive before moscow had begun the day earlier.

True. What also mislead him was that he thought the Americans would give the Japanese priority, but that did not turn out to be the case. Perhaps he would have been better off permitting his U-Boats to retaliate without a declaration of war.

Hitler's first mistake was to divide the invasion force in 2 -which fatally weakened both fronts.This was not the original plan.Stalingrad was to be a flank guard operation,instead it became a brutal frontal attrition fight which ended up taking the panzer divisions allotted for kleist's army in the caucasus which got stuck,and the main strategic objective was lost -that of taking the oil fields.So he was responsible for the situation in the first place.
Intelligence reports were submitted to him about potential soviet manpower and industrial capacity buildup of tank production and soldiers -he tore up the reports in a frenzy and shook the man who brought the report by the collar if i remember correctly.There were also army intelligence reports that soviet buildup was taking place on both flanks of 6th army which was also largely ignored.Hitler's generals take the blame as well,that they have tried to evade -but atleast all the generals advocated a breakout -but hitler trusting goering and fanaticism overruled them when army was infact surrounded.He didn't even allow Paulus to breakout and link up with manstein as that would have meant evacuating stalingrad.

Dividing the invasion force was necessary for guarding the flank of Army Group A in the Caucasus. About the Tanks, yes that was a grave mistake on the part of General Halder who paid no heed to Hitler when he ordered him to shift the 22nd Panzer division to reinforce the Italian army guarding the flank of the city. Instead these tanks were squandered in urban fighting where much of them were useless and often times got stuck in the rubble.

This is not entirely true,much of german war production was hampered by inefficiency and personal rivalries which hitler encouraged.From late 1942 germans proved they could ramp up production very fast if they had actually wanted to - despite allied bombing which was not there in 1941.Infact in 1941 he ordered military production reduced while at war with russia and britain.Thing is a man who believes in total war and domination should prepare as such,if he did not prepare the economy in accordance with his political goals then that is his fault as a leader

What i mean is that Stalin already had an advantage in this regard as his economy was geared towards war production from the outset. Obviously the German economy was going through the hurdles of this transition only in 1942-43 due to the limited resources at their disposal, unlike the Soviet economy which had almost limitless resources to work with.

Falaise pocket in normandy,Korsun cherkassy pocket,Stalingrad pocket,Courland pocket,multiple pockets around 'strongpoints' in operation bagration. Almost did the same at 2nd battle of el alamein and at demyansk.Sends his final armoured army -ss panzers to retake hungary when soviets are advancing on berlin and then raging at his generals.Before that already wasted reserves on overambitious bulge operation.

Right. I believe that was his way of delaying the inevitable and buying time for the German wonder weapons.

Make no mistake hitler knew the likes of goering were corrupt and useless,but still couldn't bring himself to sack them as they were loyal.This shows a inclination favourable to sycophants.The capable ones were gradually pushed out if they argued with him.

Yes, this was due to his suspicions of the aristocratic Generals, and this was only exacerbated by the assassination attempt on his life.
This one's a bit disputed. Some claim the German's couldn't advance even if they wanted to due to various tactical reasons.

A theory is he thought britain woul be grateful if he did and end the war.

Yes, that is what he hoped.

Above

?? I think i might have missed what you intended to say here.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Last part was mispost.
I disagree on one point - that is soviet russia was in any position to attack in july 1941.You are refering to suvorov's 'icebreaker' thesis.But this has been now largely refuted.Main points of refutal are -

1.He bases his concept on selective quotings from some soviet officer memoirs,however can't back it up with any archival material.Even after end of uss when files were declassified no such decisive archival material has been found.Stalin's other controversial top secret orders like partisan order were backed up by archival material.So its a theory based on interpretation of readings rather than actual physical evidence.

2.More importantly an army of the size and scale of the red army poised to attack would need to stockpile large amounts of fuel and ammo reserves for a coming offensive in forward depots,when germans invaded ussr in 22 june there were no such enormous stockpiles.Infact many soviet tanks ran out of fuel or broke down and were abandoned- more than those knocked out in action.

3.The red army was also not deployed in an offensive posture,but rather as large garrisons.An attacking army would concentrate major assault formations around its railway heads -not disperse them.The red army was also busy fortifying the stalin and molotov lines which makes no sense if you are going to attack.It was also reorganizing its tank formations,which would not be done if a invasion was imminent because of the chaos caused and need for training with the reorganized force.

Stalin himself said to churchill as he(churchill) states in his memoirs that he knew war was coming but thought he would get another year at least.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Last part was mispost.
I disagree on one point - that is soviet russia was in any position to attack in july 1941.You are refering to suvorov's 'icebreaker' thesis.But this has been now largely refuted.Main points of refutal are -

1.He bases his concept on selective quotings from some soviet officer memoirs,however can't back it up with any archival material.Even after end of uss when files were declassified no such decisive archival material has been found.Stalin's other controversial top secret orders like partisan order were backed up by archival material.So its a theory based on interpretation of readings rather than actual physical evidence.

2.More importantly an army of the size and scale of the red army poised to attack would need to stockpile large amounts of fuel and ammo reserves for a coming offensive in forward depots,when germans invaded ussr in 22 june there were no such enormous stockpiles.Infact many soviet tanks ran out of fuel or broke down and were abandoned- more than those knocked out in action.

3.The red army was also not deployed in an offensive posture,but rather as large garrisons.An attacking army would concentrate major assault formations around its railway heads -not disperse them.The red army was also busy fortifying the stalin and molotov lines which makes no sense if you are going to attack.It was also reorganizing its tank formations,which would not be done if a invasion was imminent because of the chaos caused and need for training with the reorganized force.

Stalin himself said to churchill as he(churchill) states in his memoirs that he knew war was coming but thought he would get another year at least.

The Red Army troop disposition was not defensive either. The armies and reserves were packed near the new frontier(Polish country included). But they were without any apparent directive. It was in a position of getting prepared. Perhaps the hope was to dissuade Germany from undertaking any misadventures. Same goes for the Air Force (VVS). It was packed in the West but NOT on alert!

There was a plan of Russian attack but that was just a Gen.Staff plan(STAVKA was not yet formed) to be effective on May 15, 1942. Some officers speculate that it might have been the day Russia declared war on Greater Germany.

 

[Humble Analyst]

HAHAHA, a mass murderer of millions. A racist to the very core, a monster whom consumed the world with his cabal, yet we are suppose to admire his oratory skills. Its amazing when south asians or asians in general try to praise this f*ckin piece of $hit, when Hitler considered them the lowest of the lowest. Please spare me this revisionist circus, history is full of apologists trying to make heroes out of absolute monsters.

I find it useful to warn me of similar monsters in present times.

 

[denel]

He was a great leader no one can deny that. Not even a Jew.

You must be out of your mind. He was a satan with a twisted ideology. I pray that God puts him in hell till the universe ends. All i can say is any south asian idolising him is a fool - this man would have put all of you through the chambers - just look at the treatment of romas.
This thread is of really bad taste and makes a mockery of those who passed away under him. Praising people like him, Stalin, Mao are fools.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

You must be out of your mind. He was a satan with a twisted ideology. I pray that God puts him in hell till the universe ends. All i can say is any south asian idolising him is a fool - this man would have put all of you through the chambers - just look at the treatment of romas.
This thread is of really bad taste and makes a mockery of those who passed away under him. Praising people like him, Stalin, Mao are fools.

Yes, let's praise Obama, Bush, Netanyahoo, Blair, Sharon . Let's praise people that created the 2008 financial crash. Let's idolize those rich "hardworking" folk. He was a good leader to the German people. There's a reason everyone followed and loved him. He made Germany a power house again. I'm not saying he's perfect.

 

[denel]

Yes, let's praise Obama, Bush, Netanyahoo, Blair, Sharon . Let's praise people that created the 2008 financial crash. Let's idolize those rich "hardworking" folk. He was a good leader to the German people. There's a reason everyone followed and loved him. He made Germany a power house again. I'm not saying he's perfect.

the others are not great leaders your definition is sick. all rubbish. his version of prosperity was just a few years before he destroyed and imploded his citizens ... indeed a great leader with around 30 million victims to his name.
mandela, gandhi, castro, jinnah, golda, indra gandhi, faisal are examples not the psycopants you have listed

 

[Desert Fox]

Last part was mispost.
I disagree on one point - that is soviet russia was in any position to attack in july 1941.You are refering to suvorov's 'icebreaker' thesis.But this has been now largely refuted.Main points of refutal are -

1.He bases his concept on selective quotings from some soviet officer memoirs,however can't back it up with any archival material.Even after end of uss when files were declassified no such decisive archival material has been found.Stalin's other controversial top secret orders like partisan order were backed up by archival material.So its a theory based on interpretation of readings rather than actual physical evidence.

I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss Suvorov's work just because its mostly based on memoirs and interviews of high ranking Soviet officials, considering that there are other historical events of the same time period that are accepted as universal truth despite being based on similar sources, ie memoirs and eyewitness accounts (albeit from unreliable individuals), and not actual archival documents of that time. Also, you have to take into account that Icebreaker was written by Suvorov when the Soviet Union was still intact and a lot was classified (even to this day). Since the collapse of the Soviet Union, Suvorov wrote several books about this topic and further reinforced his information in his new book The Chief Culprit. wherein he reinforces his previous thesis with newly available information.

Another Russian historian that supports Suvorov's view is Mikhail Meltyukhov and unlike Suvorov, he does have access to declassified Soviet Archives to support this view.

Stalin's Missed Chance - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (From Meltyukhov)

"Meltyukhov suggests that the assault on Germany was initially planned to take place on June 12, 1941, but was postponed because the Soviet leadership feared an Anglo-German reconciliation against the Soviet Union after the flight of Rudolf Hess on May 12, 1941.[16]

The basis for this assumption is revealed by Molotov's recollection 40 years later in a conversation with Russian journalist Ivan Stadnyuk: "I don't remember all the motives for cancelling this decision, but it seems to me that Hitler's deputy Rudolf Hess' flight to England played the main role there. The NKVD reconnaissance reported to us, that Hess on behalf of Hitler had proposed the United Kingdom to conclude peace and to participate in the military march against the USSR... If we at this time would have unleashed ourselves a war against Germany, would have moved forces to Europe, then England could have entered the alliance with Germany without any delay... And not only England. We could have been face to face with the entire capitalist world".[17]​

So if we are to go by the above statement of Molotov (Stalin's foreign minister), the Red Army was prepared to attack well before June-22. This statement only further reinforces Suvorov's argument that the Soviet planned offensive was to take place in the summer of 1941 despite the above postponement. That makes sense because any later than that (Summer, 1941) and the weather would no longer be suitable for larges cale offensive operations.

2.More importantly an army of the size and scale of the red army poised to attack would need to stockpile large amounts of fuel and ammo reserves for a coming offensive in forward depots,when germans invaded ussr in 22 june there were no such enormous stockpiles.Infact many soviet tanks ran out of fuel or broke down and were abandoned- more than those knocked out in action.

3.The red army was also not deployed in an offensive posture,but rather as large garrisons.An attacking army would concentrate major assault formations around its railway heads -not disperse them.The red army was also busy fortifying the stalin and molotov lines which makes no sense if you are going to attack.It was also reorganizing its tank formations,which would not be done if a invasion was imminent because of the chaos caused and need for training with the reorganized force.

Stalin himself said to churchill as he(churchill) states in his memoirs that he knew war was coming but thought he would get another year at least.

1. According to a German wartime productions report from September-October, 1941, the German Arms industry only produced 75,000 75mm shells, while in that same period the Wehrmacht expended 561,000 of the same type. Another report details that in December of the same year (1941) 18,000 75mm shells were delivered to the front while in the exact month 494,000 shells were expended. How is this possible when we both know that the German industries were still operating on peacetime basis (and Hitler was in no hurry to change gears)? These were all captured during the initial months of Barbarossa from Soviet munitions stockpiles and rail cars packed with munitions. Also, the Germans did capture a lot of fuel during the initial phases of Barbarossa, but this fuel was not of much use to the Wehrmacht because it was diesel and German tanks ran on gasoline. Suvorov actually delves into this extensively in his recent book The Chief Culprit. Source

2. On the eve of June 22, 1941, the Red Army had between 3-4 million men concentrated on their Western military districts, with more being transported. The Germans themselves had a similar number of manpower on the exact date. The Red Army also had 5 times as many tanks as the Wehrmacht, and 5 times as many air craft.

Now for a defensive strategy you don't need this many men and material. On top of that they were all concentrated, not dispersed. Concentrating forces in tight locations is suitable for punching through defensive lines in a offensive operation, but not ideal for defense as this same concentrated force is vulnerable to being surrounded and cut off, not to mention an easy target for saturation bombing. A dispersed force is suitable for defense as it absorbs an enemy's spearhead (example of this is Soviet defensive lines at Kursk). Soviet forces were concentrated on June 22nd, 1941 and were way too close to the German border. Of course, the Red Army wasn't going to launch its own offensive on the exact date the Germans launched theirs which is why the Soviets were caught in the midst of the final stages of preparation. Also, the Stalin line had been dismantled by the date of Barbarossa.

 

[Desert Fox]

Another rare speech with rare footage @Psychic @p(-)0ENiX @The Sandman :

 

[Desert Fox]

@Psychic @Nilgiri @The Sandman

 

[TMA]

You must be out of your mind. He was a satan with a twisted ideology. I pray that God puts him in hell till the universe ends. All i can say is any south asian idolising him is a fool - this man would have put all of you through the chambers - just look at the treatment of romas.
This thread is of really bad taste and makes a mockery of those who passed away under him. Praising people like him, Stalin, Mao are fools.

You know there were never homicidal gas chambers right? There were gas chambers for fumigation of clothes.
Many South Asians fought for the Germans, you know that right?

History is written by the Victor.

 

[denel]

You know there were never homicidal gas chambers right? There were gas chambers for fumigation of clothes.
Many South Asians fought for the Germans, you know that right?

History is written by the Victor.

Put your garbage trolls on gas chambers denial to some other place. Reported for fake trolls.

 

[The Sandman]

@Psychic @Nilgiri @The Sandman

All was good until that trump like slogan make "Europa great again". :/

btw if anyone's wondering the BG music is from "Assassin's Creed: Brotherhood" trailer my top fav AC game! (off topic but just putting it out there).

 

[Desert Fox]

All was good until that trump like slogan make "Europa great again". :/

Lol i don't think there's anything wrong with it. It hearkens back to better days.