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These are either bulky or have a large floor angle resulting in reduced blast protection. Something lighter like the British Ocelot/Foxhound would be better suited. Top speed is 112 km/h.View attachment 874424KIA MRAP
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Yoruk 4 X 4
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Khizir 4 x 4
Armoring Toyota Hilux is good start but won't work much. They would have to go for armored vehicles and Turkey alone can provide several solutions of various sizes along with other companies.
TBH, when they said no to FMF/CSF etc. they said no to the money, not to the items. I don't think we could have used that money for anything. (JLTV's or C-130's or lollipops). I think Trump was clear about that...no more use of U.S. money.Tbh, when the U.S. said no to FMF/CSF for the F-16s and AH-1Zs, we should've asked if we could just pour that money into buying 2,000 to 3,000 JLTVs.
if you shut it down what will happen to the numerous army-men who were not good enough for the army but were instead dumped in orgs like these?If HIT needs "experience and lessons in project management" the SOE would be better off shutdown.
With all the "TOT" and defense expos HIT cant put together a competent IFV or MRAP it's time to just move away. Assembly of stuff can easily be done by the Atlas Honda/Indus Motor/Pak Suzuki no?
The focus has always been on importing stuff and slapping Green and White flags on it to show off at parades when they're not parked at some brigade lot.
Shortsighted generals have never won wars noone remembers them.
The Military personnel can go to staff duties in training, technical, administrative and formation HQs as well as GHQ. The requirement of officers and soldiers is always there due combat losses, accidents, and retirement which cannot be fulfilled by recently passed out 2nd Lts.if you shut it down what will happen to the numerous army-men who were not good enough for the army but were instead dumped in orgs like these?
if you shut it down what will happen to the numerous army-men who were not good enough for the army but were instead dumped in orgs like these?
A 4x4 LAV platoform can be modified to incorporate a v-shaped crew compartment, no?IMO neither the Army nor the FC/Rangers need large numbers of MRAPs. The usefulness of MRAPs is literally only useful for COIN. While we've had insurgency problems, it has never flared to the point of needing to buy 1,000+ MRAPs. We should aim to pick up 2nd hand MRAPs for pennies on the dollar, not sink money into new ones.
If we need new vehicles, we should think about general-purpose 4x4 LAVs.
So, basically, a 9-10-ton vehicle with STANAG 4569 Level 2 or Level 3 protection. It won't necessarily excel in the specific areas of an MRAP, but a good 4x4 LAV could still offer better survivability and versatility in most scenarios than the up-armored Hilux. We can also use these LAVs as utility vehicles in conventional wars for troop transport, supply logistics, ATGM or MANPAD carriers, light ELINT vehicles, and so on.
If we had to sink money into locally manufacturing a vehicle, I'd rather it go into a 4x4 LAV that can serve us across many functions and justify a 1,000+ unit order. Tbh, when the U.S. said no to FMF/CSF for the F-16s and AH-1Zs, we should've asked if we could just pour that money into buying 2,000 to 3,000 JLTVs.
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IIRC, I've seen some 4x4 LAVs have MRAP subvariants with v-shaped hulls.A 4x4 LAV platoform can be modified to incorporate a v-shaped crew compartment, no?
Do you recall a specific platform? I suppose building an MRAP on an existing V8 truck platform, such as the Ford F-550, with a suitable suspension should be pretty easy for HIT. I imagine, and I may be oversimplifying, that all HIT needs to do is add an armoured engine compartment and a v-shaped crew compartment.IIRC, I've seen some 4x4 LAVs have MRAP subvariants with v-shaped hulls.
That said, if the DongFeng Mengshi GEN-III CSK-182 news is accurate, it seems the PA is moving towards the 4x4 LAV model.
Lol Mengshi is not designed on civil chassis. The mengshi we are acquiring is the 3rd gen menghsi which the Chinese have reached after decades of work. The 2nd gen mengshi was equivalent to Armoured humvee , the 3rd gen one has better but limited mine protection than 2nd gen one.Do you recall a specific platform? I suppose building an MRAP on an existing V8 truck platform, such as the Ford F-550, with a suitable suspension should be pretty easy for HIT. I imagine, and I may be oversimplifying, that all HIT needs to do is add an armoured engine compartment and a v-shaped crew compartment.
The DongFeng Mengshi seems to be designed around a similar platform.
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What is a civil chassis? Commercial heavy duty trucks and military trucks have chassis built to withstand comparable stress.Lol Mengshi is not designed on civil chassis. The mengshi we are acquiring is the 3rd gen menghsi which the Chinese have reached after decades of work. The 2nd gen mengshi was equivalent to Armoured humvee , the 3rd gen one has better but limited mine protection than 2nd gen one.
What would be the benefit of this?Perhaps the plan could be to motorize regular infantry battalions.