History of Punjabis

[Indus Pakistan]

Jahan

What is the meaning of posting this ganga gibberish?

 

[El Sidd]

Jahan Dal Dal Pe Sone ki Chidiya Karti hai Basera - Wo Bharat Desh India Hai MERA

Its a cheap Market for capitalists. Nothing glorified about that

 

[Suriya]

What is the meaning of posting this ganga gibberish?

Its a cheap Market for capitalists. Nothing glorified about that

This song is from the movie Sikander -E - Azam and song features how Hindu king Porus and his sons put of a brave fight against Sikander for their beloved mother land Bharat.

 

[El Sidd]

This song is from the movie Sikander -E - Azam and song features how Hindu king Porus and his sons put of a brave fight against Sikander for their beloved mother land Bharat.

Stories are plenty man.

You need to tell me how did ancient Sub continent People carve 3d Stone figuirines.

What the hell happened that such knowledge got lost?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

This song is from the movie Sikander -E - Azam and song features how Hindu king Porus and his sons put of a brave fight against Sikander for their beloved mother land Bharat.

Okay so you seriously placed a Bollywood movie and song to try to leach off Porus? Give it a break okay. Hinduism is a term that only gained currency in the last few centuries. It did not exist 2000 years ago. And Porus was ruler of a tiny entity not much larger then Jhelum district ~ forget about Punjab and you would need to be smoking something real strong to believe that Porus fought for this Bharat or whatever ...

 

[Hamza913]

This song is from the movie Sikander -E - Azam and song features how Hindu king Porus and his sons put of a brave fight against Sikander for their beloved mother land Bharat.

Please don't infect my thread with your crap, thanks.

 

[dreamer4eva]

Nice thread. Punjabis have been living in 2 countries for only 70 odd years so all prominent Punjabis should be included no matter they are Muslim, Hindu or Sikhs. Mirza Jatt, Sultan Bahu, Bulle Shah, Shaheed Bhagat Singh, Jagga Daaku and Shiv Kumar Batalvi are very popular personalities in Indian Punjab especially with my mob (Sikhs)..

 

[Hamza913]

Nice thread. Punjabis have been living in 2 countries for only 70 odd years so all prominent Punjabis should be included no matter they are Muslim, Hindu or Sikhs. Mirza Jatt, Sultan Bahu, Bulle Shah, Shaheed Bhagat Singh, Jagga Daaku and Shiv Kumar Batalvi are very popular personalities in Indian Punjab especially with my mob (Sikhs)..

You can post about them if you wish, but with one rule, no figures from the Sikh Empire.

I don't mind peaceful Sikh guru's though, they did some good things and weren't running around turning Masjids into stables or banning the Azaan.

 

[Hamza913]

Fariduddin Ganjshakar

He was a famous Sufi preacher and poet. He's also considered the father of Punjabi nationalism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fariduddin_Ganjshakar

 

[H!TchHiker]

He was Jutt and Sikh glorified him since he fought against Muslims and as per Sikhs Mughal prosecute them.
Simple dushman ka dushman hamara bhai...

He was infamous for conducting robberies and kidnapping girls, looting nearly unarmed female and children caravan of Mughals but when they sent army he hides his naani's house and same Sikh started to make fun of him and out of shame when he came out of his hide ...he was killed.

Mashallah .....Which book are you reading ? Dullah bhatti/Abdullah Bhatti son of Rai Farred was not Muslim and fighting against MSULIM MUGHAL AKBAR ,inventor of deen elahi.
Shabash ha bhai..

 

[Hamza913]

Muin Ul Mulk

He was the Mughal governor of Punjab, and had managed to defeat Ahmed Shah Abdali in battle. Ahmed Shah Abdali soon came back and defeated him several years later, but Muin Ul Mulk put up such a good fight that Abdali appointed him as provincial governor on his behalf, and bestowed him the title of "Farzand Khan Bahadur Rustam-e-Hind". Consequently, Muin Ul Mulk held a reception at Lahore in honour of Abdali.

He also fought frequently against the Sikhs.

http://military.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Lahore_(1752)

 

[Hamza913]

I will also do the history of some of the tribes in the Punjab.

Gujjars

The Gujjars are a nomadic tribe that exist primarily in Pakistan, but also have significant numbers in Afghanistan and Hindustan.

They are believed to be the descendants of Central Asians who migrated to the region during the invasions of the Huna people (they were most likely an allied tribe in their confederation, such as the Khazars) and intermarried with local Indo-Aryans, hence why they speak an Indo-Aryan language (Gojri). This is strengthened by the fact that some of the earliest references to Gujjars in the region appear shortly after the Huna invasions.

The Gujjar language (Gojrj) is also interesting since roughly 10-13% of its words (depending on the dialect) actually come from Pashto, suggesting that the original abode of the Gujjars (after they came from Central Asia and intermarried with the locals) would be eastern Afghanistan/KPK/FATA where the Pashto language would have influenced them (perhaps they may have even occasionally intermarried), since large numbers of Gujjars are found there and it seems strange that Gojri dialects in places like Gilgit Baltistan and Azad Kashmir (where there are next to no Pashtuns) have such a large number of words borrowed from Pashto. There's also the fact that many of the Gujjars of eastern Afghanistan, KPK and FATA consider themselves to be some of the earliest inhabitants of the region, and the fact that the traditional migration route for Central Asians to Pakistan was via the Khyber Pass (in fact, the Hunas used this specific pass to enter Pakistan).

The Gujjars established many dynasties across Pakistan and Hindustan, such as the Shah Mir dynasty, Tomara dynasty, and Chavda dynasty. Many places such as Gujjar Khan, Gujrat and Gujranwala are also named after them. The Gujjars also fought in large numbers in Muhammad Bin Qasim's army, and have a played a significant role in Pakistan's armed forces, with Tufail Muhammad (Nishan-e-Haider winner) being a Gujjar and large portions of the Pakistani military being Gujjars. Gujjars in Afghanistan also fought hard against the USSR as part of the Afghan Mujahadeen.

There have also been plenty of famous Gujjars, such as Shoaib Akhtar (fastest bowler in history) and Rehmat Ali (author of the Pakistan declaration).

https://gujjarnation.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/list-of-famous-gujjar-and-bureaucrats.html

https://www.sil.org/system/files/re...6620875850976172253716042392/32846_SSNP03.pdf

https://jktribals.page.tl/History-of-Gujjars.htm

 

[Talwar e Pakistan]

So is punjabi an ethinicity?

A Punjabi is anyone who lives in Punjab. Punjab has many ethnicities, tribes, cultures and languages.

Dude rajputs were present way before raja Porus .kharral is sub caste of rajputs same is Gakhar.just do some research before make any conclusion.

Rajputs, Jats and Gujjars are related and thought to have migrated to the region in 2nd Century BCE.

This song is from the movie Sikander -E - Azam and song features how Hindu king Porus and his sons put of a brave fight against Sikander for their beloved mother land Bharat.

Porus was not Hindu, look at what Hindu texts say of his capital city (Sagala) and their people.

Neither did he fight for supposed "Mama Bharat" as no such thing exists or existed except in Ganga texts and dreams of Hindu nationalists.

The video showcases how India is trying to derive it's national identity from the history, heritage and people of others.

 

[Hamza913]

Awans

They are regarded as being of either Arab or Rajput origin, and dwell within every province of the country in fairly significant numbers, other than Gilgit-Baltistan. The tribe itself would have likely originally formed in its current state in northern Punjab, making them one of the few tribes of the Punjab that can be counted as at least somewhat native in origin.

The Awans have historically been land-owners and soldiers, with a strong martial history and a good representation among the Pakistani armed forces. French political scientist Christophe Jaffrelot (who specialises in Pakistan and Hindustan) had this to say about them:

"The Awan deserve close attention, because of their historical importance and, above all, because they settled in the west, right up to the edge of Baluchi and Pashtun territory. Legend has it that their origins go back to Imam Ali and his second wife, Hanafiya. Historians describe them as valiant warriors and farmers who imposed their supremacy on their close kin the Janjuas in part of the Salt Range, and established large colonies all along the Indus to Sind, and a densely populated centre not far from Lahore."

Famous Awans would include Major Muhammad Akram Shaheed (Nishan-e-Haider recipient) and Major General Amir Faisal Alavi (FGO of the SSG).

http://www.awans.com.pk/awan-history/

 

[Hamza913]

@waz

Asalamu Alaikum

Can we make this a sticky? I feel like it's important. Also, could you please make all the names of the figures mentioned in the OP bold like this please? Thanks (I'd do it myself but for some reason I can't).