History of Punjabis

[Rana4pak]

Rajputs did not exist during the time of Porus, Ahmed Khan Kharral was a Jat and Sarang Khan was a Gakhar.

I can only confirm that Tikka, Abdullah Bhatti, Shabbir Sharif, and Raza Aziz Bhatti were Rajput. I do not know about the others.

Dude rajputs were present way before raja Porus .kharral is sub caste of rajputs same is Gakhar.just do some research before make any conclusion.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Abdullah Bhatti

He rebelled against Mughal emeperor Akbar, and is often compared to Robin Hood due to his social banditry. Many folklore tales speak highly of his deeds. When he was hung, his last words that were uttered were "No honourable son of Punjab will ever sell the soil of Punjab".

He is dacait and plunderer should not be listed on Punjabi nobles

 

[Pakistani E]

I wish OP had mentioned General Akhtar hussain Malik and Brigadier Abdul Ali Malik (Winner of Chowinda) as well.

These folks are Punjabis too, but maybe OP forgot:

Sir Chaudhry Muhammad Zafrullah Khan (Pakistan's first foreign minister, President of the UN General Assembley 1962-63.)

Dr Abdus Salam (Nobel Prize in Physics)

Lt General Akhtar Hussain Malik (War hero, Operation Gibraltar)

Lt General Abdul Ali Malik Hero of Chawinda

General Iftikhar Khan Janjua shaheed (Most senior Pakistani officer to be killed in action, Hero of Rann of Kutch, martyred in Kashmir during the Battle of Chamb 1971.)

 

[Hamza913]

He is dacait and plunderer should not be listed on Punjabi nobles

Asalamu Alaikum

He helped the poor, and freed women from slavery. The Mughals also killed some of his family prior to his banditry.

His reasons for engaging in violence are at the very least somewhat understandable. Also, a lot of Punjabis do take him as a hero already, there are loads of stories about him.

Dude rajputs were present way before raja Porus .kharral is sub caste of rajputs same is Gakhar.just do some research before make any conclusion.

Rajputs only came into being during the Islamic period, therefore Porus was not a Rajput. He could be the ancestor of some Rajputs, but there's literally no way to be sure about that.

Gakhars are their own tribe.

 

[Maarkhoor]

Asalamu Alaikum

He helped the poor, and freed women from slavery. The Mughals also killed some of his family prior to his banditry.

His reasons for engaging in violence are at the very least somewhat understandable. Also, a lot of Punjabis do take him as a hero already, there are loads of stories about him.

Every dakait even today share their loot with the poor so that these people remain faithful to him and save him from authorities.

His reasons for engaging in violence are at the very least somewhat understandable. Also, a lot of Punjabis do take him as a hero already, there are loads of stories about him.

He used to loot Mughal caravans and girls, even he used to kidnap good looking girls.

When Mughal really wants to arrest him he ran away and hide his moms parents house....then same poor people started to call him names, forced by the people he attack first time Mughals from first time one to one and got killed.

 

[Hamza913]

He used to loot Mughal caravans and girls, even he used to kidnap good looking girls.

When Mughal really wants to arrest him he ran away and hide his moms parents house....then same poor people started to call him names, forced by the people he attack first time Mughals from first time one to one and got killed.

No, he freed them from slavery.

As for the latter story, nobody's perfect.



Tufail Muhammad

He recaptured a post taken by Hindustanis in East Pakistan during the 50's, despite taking several bullets he kept on pushing, taking out machine gun posts with grenades and he even killed the enemy Commander with his helmet. He soon died afterwards due to his sustained injuries, and ended up winning Nishan-e-Haider. He's the only Pakistani to win such an award outside of wartime.

http://www.pakarmymuseum.com/exhibits/major-tufail-muhammad-shaheed/

 

[M. Sarmad]

Ranjit Singh is also part of Punjabi history if it's not selective recognition.

The emergence of the sovereign state of Punjab in 1799 under Maharaja Ranjit Singh was a moment of crowning glory in the evolution of a distinctive Punjabi identity.

 

[Maarkhoor]

These folks are Punjabis too, but maybe OP forgot:

Sir Chaudhry Muhammad Zafrullah Khan (Pakistan's first foreign minister, President of the UN General Assembley 1962-63.)

Dr Abdus Salam (Nobel Prize in Physics)

Lt General Akhtar Hussain Malik (War hero, Operation Gibraltar)

Lt General Abdul Ali Malik Hero of Chawinda

General Iftikhar Khan Janjua shaheed (Most senior Pakistani officer to be killed in action, Hero of Rann of Kutch, martyred in Kashmir during the Battle of Chamb 1971.)

Proud of non-Muslim Punjabi heroes.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Most of people are punjabi rajputs like raja Porus rai Ahmed khan Kharal.dulla Bhatti.ranjeet SINGH.sultan Sarang Khan.major Shabbir shaeed .aziz Bhatti shaeed.General tikka khan.khan liaqat ali khan.doctor Abdul Qadeer khan.etc

Ranjit Singh was a sansi.
Liaqat Ali Khan was an Urdu speaker from Delhi.
Dr Abdul qadir khan is an Urdu speaker “pathan” from Bhopal..

Asalamu Alaikum

He helped the poor, and freed women from slavery. The Mughals also killed some of his family prior to his banditry.

His reasons for engaging in violence are at the very least somewhat understandable. Also, a lot of Punjabis do take him as a hero already, there are loads of stories about him.



Rajputs only came into being during the Islamic period, therefore Porus was not a Rajput. He could be the ancestor of some Rajputs, but there's literally no way to be sure about that.

Gakhars are their own tribe.

Rajputs were there much before Islamic period.

Every dakait even today share their loot with the poor so that these people remain faithful to him and save him from authorities.


He used to loot Mughal caravans and girls, even he used to kidnap good looking girls.

When Mughal really wants to arrest him he ran away and hide his moms parents house....then same poor people started to call him names, forced by the people he attack first time Mughals from first time one to one and got killed.

Don’t reinvent history..

Had he been what you allege.. he wouldn’t have folk stories and songs tributed to him.

Neither would lohri and other panjabi festivals being celebrated in his honour.

 

[Hamza913]

Ranjit Singh was a sansi.
Liaqat Ali Khan was an Urdu speaker from Delhi.
Dr Abdul qadir khan is an Urdu speaker “pathan” from Bhopal..


Rajputs were there much before Islamic period.


Don’t reinvent history..

Had he been what you allege.. he wouldn’t have folk stories and songs tributed to him.

Neither would lohri and other panjabi festivals being celebrated in his honour.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajput

Scholarly opinions differ on when the term Rajput acquired hereditary connotations and came to denote a clan-based community. Historian Brajadulal Chattopadhyaya, based on his analysis of inscriptions (primarily from Rajasthan), believed that by the 12th century, the term "rajaputra" was associated with fortified settlements, kin-based landholding, and other features that later became indicative of the Rajput status.[16] According to Chattopadhyaya, the title acquired "an element of heredity" from c. 1300.[23] A later study by of 11th-14th century inscriptions from western and central India, by Michael B. Bednar, concludes that the designations such as "rajaputra", "thakkura" and "rauta" were not necessarily hereditary during this period.[23]

During its formative stages, the Rajput class was quite assimilative and absorbed people from a wide range of lineages.[19] However, by the late 16th century, it had become genealogically rigid, based on the ideas of blood purity.[24] The membership of the Rajput class was now largely inherited rather than acquired through military achievements.[23] A major factor behind this development was the consolidation of the Mughal Empire, whose rulers had great interest in genealogy. As the various Rajput chiefs became Mughal feduatories, they no longer engaged in major conflicts with each other. This decreased the possibility of achieving prestige through military action, and made hereditary prestige more important.[25]

The word "Rajput" thus acquired its present-day meaning in the 16th century.[26][27] During 16th and 17th centuries, the Rajput rulers and their bards (charans) sought to legitimize the Rajput socio-political status on the basis of descent and kinship.[28] They fabricated genealogies linking the Rajput families to the ancient dynasties, and associated them with myths of origins that established their Kshatriya status.[23][29] This led to the emergence of what Indologist Dirk Kolff calls the "Rajput Great Tradition", which accepted only hereditary claims to the Rajput identity, and fostered a notion of eliteness and exclusivity.[30] The legendary epic poem Prithviraj Raso, which depicts warriors from several different Rajput clans as associates of Prithviraj Chauhan, fostered a sense of unity among these clans.[31] The text thus contributed to the consolidation of the Rajput identity by offering these clans a shared history.[16]

Despite these developments, migrant soldiers made new claims to the Rajput status until as late as the 19th century.[24] In the 19th century, the colonial administrators of India re-imagined the Rajputs as similar to the Anglo-Saxon knights. They compiled the Rajput genealogies in the process of settling land disputes, surveying castes and tribes, and writing history. These genealogies became the basis of distinguishing between the "genuine" and the "spurious" Rajput clans.[32]

 

[Maarkhoor]

Don’t reinvent history..

Had he been what you allege.. he wouldn’t have folk stories and songs tributed to him.

Neither would lohri and other panjabi festivals being celebrated in his honour.

He was Jutt and Sikh glorified him since he fought against Muslims and as per Sikhs Mughal prosecute them.
Simple dushman ka dushman hamara bhai...

He was infamous for conducting robberies and kidnapping girls, looting nearly unarmed female and children caravan of Mughals but when they sent army he hides his naani's house and same Sikh started to make fun of him and out of shame when he came out of his hide ...he was killed.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

He was Jutt and Sikh glorified him since he fought against Muslims and as per Sikhs Mughal prosecute them.
Simple dushman ka dushman hamara bhai...

He was infamous for conducting robberies and kidnapping girls, looting nearly unarmed female and children caravan of Mughals but when they sent army he hides his naani's house and same Sikh started to make fun of him and out of shame when he came out of his hide ...he was killed.

He was a Muslim ... he’s buried in miani Sb graveyard Lahore.

He wasn’t a jutt but a rajput and not all Sikh are Jatt to begin with.

He wasn’t kidnapping or rapping anybody.. don’t me Fukien foolish.

He however did kidnap Akbar’s wives!
His father was the chief of sandalbar region and was killed by mughals..

He also didn’t give any taxes to the Mughals etc.

I don’t know where you are getting your info from.. but from old folks of Pak Panjab I’ve heard the entire story and actually visited his grave on Lahore.

 

[Rana4pak]

Ranjit Singh was a sansi.
Liaqat Ali Khan was an Urdu speaker from Delhi.
Dr Abdul qadir khan is an Urdu speaker “pathan” from Bhopal..


Rajputs were there much before Islamic period.


Don’t reinvent history..

Had he been what you allege.. he wouldn’t have folk stories and songs tributed to him.

Neither would lohri and other panjabi festivals being celebrated in his honour.

Brother just search at YouTube you will find dr Abdul Qadeer speech in his on words he said he is rajput.liaqat Ali khan is renowned rajput he had a lot of property on other side of Punjab .just do some research.sikh is religion not a caste ranjeet SINGH is also rajput .and i have no intentions to include any body into rajput clan weather he is somebody’s or no body.

 

[Maarkhoor]

He was a Muslim ... he’s buried in miani Sb graveyard Lahore.

He wasn’t a jutt but a rajput and not all Sikh are Jatt to begin with.

He wasn’t kidnapping or rapping anybody.. don’t me Fukien foolish.

He however did kidnap Akbar’s wives!
His father was the chief of sandalbar region and was killed by mughals..

He also didn’t give any taxes to the Mughals etc.

I don’t know where you are getting your info from.. but from old folks of Pak Panjab I’ve heard the entire story and actually visited his grave on Lahore.

Bro he became Dakait and started loot and plunder......He got fame because Sikhs glorify him since he is fighting against Muslims....Anyways you keep your own views hence I have my own understandings...He was in the same league of Shiva Gee aka mountain rat..who loot caravans of Mughals and hides in mountains...

Have a nice good night....

 

[Suriya]

One of ancient histories great characters - Pakistani's and in particular those who are of Punjabi extraction need to celebrate this chap and 'own' him. All too often aborginals from Gangadesh claim him as theirs. Porus put up a fight against the world conquerer Alexander the "Great" that he had not faced anywhere else. What a epic battle and people from Jhelum should be proud that they almost brought the mighty Greek army on it's knees.

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