History about My people

[Mr Happy]

Mate it was a joke because there are certain Arabic names that Sunni rarely give their sons because they're considered very Shia. Reza is one of those names that I've never ever met a Sunni with this name

I disagree with you. Hussain is a name found among Sunni Muslims, as well as Shia Muslims.

https://www.thoughtco.com/hussain-name-meaning-and-origin-1422533

 

[Salahuddin Ayyubi]

I disagree with you. Hussain is a name quite common in Sunni Muslims.

https://www.thoughtco.com/hussain-name-meaning-and-origin-1422533

In Pakistan Hussain might be common for sunnis. But if you go to the maghreb, Morocco Tunisia and Algeria, you'll see that they equate Hossein with Shia and your chances of finding a person with that name there is almost impossible.

Same thing goes for levant countries. Hussein, Reza, Ali, and certain others are equated with Shia and although you will see sunnis with that name, it will mostly be Shias with the name

 

[Joe Shearer]

Turkic people are not even the first people in central Asia. The Indo-Iranian people came a long time before them. Hence, there is the Bactria-Margiana complex.

You are right, but there is the matter of time-scales and time-lines. We have a vibrant Indo-Iranian presence till as late as the 2nd and 3rd century AD; the Sakas, after them, the Pallavas, and after both, and over both, the Kushana, who ought to be classified loosely in this group in spite of their language being that peculiarity, a Centum language in the middle of the Gobi Desert. It was only after these empires wore out, with the displacement of the Kushana by the Ephthalites, that we start getting news of the Turkic tribes. There is a lot of time between the Bactria-Margiana complex (probably 2000 BC) and this drawing to a close (400 AD).

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

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Quoting you guys incase you have missed this gem of thread

So what have here is a quintessential Pakistani who actually is part from Central Asia, which Pakistani members endless boast about

but now when confronted with an actual one Pakistani members are accusing him of being an Indian

 

[El Sidd]

In Pakistan Hussain might be common for sunnis. But if you go to the maghreb, Morocco Tunisia and Algeria, you'll see that they equate Hossein with Shia and your chances of finding a person with that name there is almost impossible.

Same thing goes for levant countries. Hussein, Reza, Ali, and certain others are equated with Shia and although

Not true again.

Its amazing how clueless 20 year olds in US are. Don't get a gun !!

 

[Joe Shearer]

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Quoting you guys incase you have missed this gem of thread

So what have here is a quintessential Pakistani who actually is part from Central Asia, which Pakistani members endless boast about

but now when confronted with an actual one Pakistani members are accusing him of being an Indian

He cannot, CANNOT be a REAL Pakistani. It is impossible. Not when he disagrees with the steel backbone of Pakistan.

 

[Salahuddin Ayyubi]

You are right, but there is the matter of time-scales and time-lines. We have a vibrant Indo-Iranian presence till as late as the 2nd and 3rd century AD; the Sakas, after them, the Pallavas, and after both, and over both, the Kushana, who ought to be classified loosely in this group in spite of their language being that peculiarity, a Centum language in the middle of the Gobi Desert. It was only after these empires wore out, with the displacement of the Kushana by the Ephthalites, that we start getting news of the Turkic tribes. There is a lot of time between the Bactria-Margiana complex (probably 2000 BC) and this drawing to a close (400 AD).

The Turkic migration didn't take place in the large scale down to khorasan, the karakom desert and the furgana valley region until after that Islamic conquests of central Asia. And the persianisation of both the Turkic nomads and the bactrians, sogdians and other central Asian Iranians took place after the conquest and subsequent Arab, and on Arab rule in central Asia.

 

[Mr Happy]

You are right, but there is the matter of time-scales and time-lines. We have a vibrant Indo-Iranian presence till as late as the 2nd and 3rd century AD; the Sakas, after them, the Pallavas, and after both, and over both, the Kushana, who ought to be classified loosely in this group in spite of their language being that peculiarity, a Centum language in the middle of the Gobi Desert. It was only after these empires wore out, with the displacement of the Kushana by the Ephthalites, that we start getting news of the Turkic tribes. There is a lot of time between the Bactria-Margiana complex (probably 2000 BC) and this drawing to a close (400 AD).

In Pakistan Hussain might be common for sunnis. But if you go to the maghreb, Morocco Tunisia and Algeria, you'll see that they equate Hossein with Shia and your chances of finding a person with that name there is almost impossible.

Same thing goes for levant countries. Hussein, Reza, Ali, and certain others are equated with Shia and although you will see sunnis with that name, it will mostly be Shias with the name

I understand your perspective. However king of Jordan had a name "Husayn ibn Talal". Jordan as a country is part of the Levant.

Moroccans, Tunisians and Algerians are partially Arab. Either ethno-linguistically, or ethno-linguistically and ethno-racially Arab through their maternal line. The Arabs who conquered North Africa, married Moroccan women, and other women from the region.

I have personally spoken to Moroccan people about this and they agreed with me. The Moroccans, Tunisians, and Algerians are originally Berber people or Amazighs.

 

[Salahuddin Ayyubi]

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Quoting you guys incase you have missed this gem of thread

So what have here is a quintessential Pakistani who actually is part from Central Asia, which Pakistani members endless boast about

but now when confronted with an actual one Pakistani members are accusing him of being an Indian

I have every right to defend myself against an ignorant idiot who got his arse handed to him by me.

I point out bad things in Ozbekistan society in Ozbek forums and I get called Tajik, I point out bad things in Pakistans society to Pakistanis in this forum, I get called Indian.

I'm proud to be South Asian and I'm proud to be central Asian.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I understand your perspective. However king of Jordan had a name "Husayn ibn Talal". Jordan as a country is part of the Levant.

Moroccans, Tunisians and Algerians are partially Arab. Either ethno-linguistically, or ethno-linguistically and ethno-racially Arab through their maternal line. The Arabs who conquered North African married Moroccan women, and other women from the region.

I have personally spoken to Moroccan people about this and they agreed with me. The Moroccans, Tunisians, and Algerians are originally Berber people or Amazighs.

Please do me a favour and look at the post immediately above yours. I like the summary of historical events given there, and believe you will like it too.

 

[Salahuddin Ayyubi]

How long and how often did you visit Maghreb region? I'm generally curious because I have and have actually asked this question from them so I would like to really know. I may be 24 years old, but I've visited more countries than most people on this app can even point on a map. 48 countries to be precise

Not true again.

Its amazing how clueless 20 year olds in US are. Don't get a gun !!

 

[Mr Happy]

Please do me a favour and look at the post immediately above yours. I like the summary of historical events given there, and believe you will like it too.

Yes. That post is good.

Some ways to find out your lineage and history is via family names, and names of villages or towns of your ancestors. Also, via language.

An example:

Has anyone ever heard of the name Kayri?

One of my ancestors.

 

[El Sidd]

How long and how often did you visit Maghreb region? I'm generally curious because I have and have actually asked this question from them so I would like to really know. I may be 24 years old, but I've visited more countries than most people on this app can even point on a map. 48 countries to be precise

You don't have to take my word for it. Google it.

You are clutching at the very short straws with this need i say foolish argument.

 

[Salahuddin Ayyubi]

I understand your perspective. However king of Jordan had a name "Husayn ibn Talal". Jordan as a country is part of the Levant.

Moroccans, Tunisians and Algerians are partially Arab. Either ethno-linguistically, or ethno-linguistically and ethno-racially Arab through their maternal line. The Arabs who conquered North Africa, married Moroccan women, and other women from the region.

I have personally spoken to Moroccan people about this and they agreed with me. The Moroccans, Tunisians, and Algerians are originally Berber people or Amazighs.

Yes the amazigh people are very unique. I've been to the maghreb more than once and I can't consider them Arabs because they're own amazigh culture is very prominent. And genetic have shown that most people of north Africa, excluding Egyptian, have extremely minute to none Arab dna in them. And this becomes even less then more south you go to the Tuareg people of the Sahara who are a sub branch of the Amazigh people.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yes. That post is good.

Some ways to find out your lineage and history is via family names, and names of villages or towns of your ancestors. Also, via language.

An example:

Has anyone ever heard of the name Kayri?

One of my ancestors.

Tell us more, please.