Historic Boraibari Victory Day

[Sine Nomine]

They are as sure of it as the 3 million figure for 1971.

Like the 3 million figure as well. A common thing in BD it seems....numbers inflating the reality.

When we both will be old with white hairs,one day surfing PDF we both will find actually there was no Indian help in 1971 and 30 million were killed in 8 months,2 million were raped and Pakistan looted million tons of gold from chittagong gold mines in 23 years occupation and on a dark night in 2001 India attacked with full force,a Indian corps was obliterated in Boraibari,after that India surrendered

 

[UKBengali]

You have one party rule and foreign proxy control now extending from it further....enjoy it.

Yes, BD has one-party rule. This actually is a pretty good thing at this stage of BD's development. This will allow speedy economic development like Taiwan, Singapore, China etc. BD can do without the chaos seen in India and Pakistan.

"Foreign proxy control"?

India has so much control that it has to lavish another 4.5 billion US dollars of low-interest loans on top of the 3 billion it has already dispensed, as it is desperate to stay relevant in light of China's 24 billion from last year.
BD is under India's control that there are very credible reports that China it will soon sell it's best 4th generation plane(J-10b) to BD in numbers.

Fantasise to whatever makes your deluded brain happy chap.

 

[Nilgiri]

Yes, BD has one-party rule. This actually is a pretty good thing at this stage of BD's development. This will allow speedy economic development like Taiwan, Singapore, China etc. BD can do without the chaos seen in India and Pakistan.

"Foreign proxy control"?

India has so much control that it has to lavish another 4.5 billion US dollars of low-interest loans on top of the 3 billion it has already dispensed, as it is desperate to stay relevant in light of China's 24 billion from last year.
BD is under India's control that there are very credible reports that China it will soon sell it's best 4th generation plane(J-10b) to BD in numbers.

Fantasy to whatever makes your deluded brain happy chap.

Its a conversation you can have with other BD people instead and see if they are so in love with the situation India has forced upon you.

@Saiful Islam @Al-zakir @Luffy 500 @T-Rex @idune just to name a few.

 

[bluesky]

Yes, it was a brigade size invaders from Indian BSF, SSF and IA. Altogether, 400 Indian soldiers were killed but India only took 16 dead bodies to save their face.

You are talking rather upside down. Yes, it is true that Indian side consisted of 400 troops, but not every one was killed. As far as I have read, 97 IA troops were killed. 81 bodies were carried away by their IA colleagues while they ran back, but 16 bodies remained in this side of border. However, both sides avoided talking of 97 killed in order not to inflate the situation. They talked only of those whose bodies that could not be carried away. It is a common military practice that the survivors take away their fallen comrades.

 

[T-Rex]

Yes, BD has one-party rule. This actually is a pretty good thing at this stage of BD's development. This will allow speedy economic development like Taiwan, Singapore, China etc. BD can do without the chaos seen in India and Pakistan.

It's a good thing that you admit that there's no democracy in BD at the moment. As for economic development, it looks like that we're becoming rich because the income of our prince and his aunt is being spread over the general population. One party rule is never a good thing in politics as monopoly is never good for economy but I don't think despot lovers like you will ever get that.

India has so much control that it has to lavish another 4.5 billion US dollars of low-interest loans on top of the 3 billion it has already dispensed, as it is desperate to stay relevant in light of China's 24 billion from last year.
BD is under India's control that there are very credible reports that China it will soon sell it's best 4th generation plane(J-10b) to BD in numbers.

Fantasise to whatever makes your deluded brain happy chap.

Buddy, under estimating india's grip on the regime won't make the regime popular or patriotic. It only makes things easier for the indians. You must be one of those ganja public who love to claim that the BAL regime is in the Chinese camp. Tell me, who brought the regime to power? Don't tell me the democratic system in BD because the present system is as democratic as the North Korean system and you have admitted this fact in your previous statement. Now, that leaves only two candidates left, RAW and your Chinese friends. Now, let me tell you something, these indians have made your wise Chinese friends believe that just like Burma the present BAL regime is also in their camp because they have been able to do business. In critical times it shows who really calls the shots in BD nowadays but of course, you are only as wise as your Chinese friends, so I wouldn't expect you to understand that. Your Chinese friends don't give a hoot to who's calling the shots in Dhaka as long as they are making a few dollars.

 

[Mage]

"Who bought this regime to power"

And the award goes to Mr. Fakhruddin (caretaker govt chief) and Gen Moeen. One was made Bangladesh Bank governor by BNP and was made army chief by BNP. India surely was happy that AL came back to power. But it wasn't them who brought AL to power.

And instead of conspiracy theories you tell me how they did it. Not with conspiracy theories.

 

[T-Rex]

"Who bought this regime to power"

And the award goes to Mr. Fakhruddin (caretaker govt chief) and Gen Moeen. One was made Bangladesh Bank governor by BNP and was made army chief by BNP. India surely was happy that AL came back to power. But it wasn't them who brought AL to power.

And instead of conspiracy theories you tell me how they did it. Not with conspiracy theories.

Of course Moin was appointed by Khaleda upon recommendation form her dimwit brother and son but the question is who do you think groomed Moin and his goons? Who do you think created the atmosphere which enabled this dubious transfer of power?

 

[Mage]

Of course Moin was appointed by Khaleda upon recommendation form her dimwit brother and son but the question is who do you think groomed Moin and his goons? Who do you think created the atmosphere which enabled this dubious transfer of power?

This is the first time I hear Moeen and Fakhruddin had connection with India. Please show any credible evidence.

What happened was a natural process. Moeen and Fakhruddin had an ambition to stay in power on a permanent basis not just the 90 day limit of a caretaker govt. But then things got worse. And they thought they'd be treated more harshly by BNP than AL. So tried to give AL some leverage. And AL won a super majority in 2009. Show me any evidence of Indian interference in that election. Not just opinion from random guys. It's not like Indian army/police comes to BD to take care of anti govt elements. Its done by our RAB/Army/Police.

 

[Mage]

So why no caretaker govt for 2nd election?

Election commission as an institute is obviously not credible....and now questions regarding the supreme court are also being raised (w.r.t war crime trials etc).

Of course I believe BNP still should not have boycotted it, but something really fishy going on there when BNP followed the agreed system (have caretaker govt for the election) but BAL did not for the 2014? election.

My good friend here who is quite neutral guy in BD politics (being from a large family business they have to get along and manage with both sides) brought up for many months, even a year or so after it that the election was a sham and democracy is effectively dead in BD...and India played its role in all of it....and I am inclined to believe him. Now he has quietened down about it somewhat (lots more other things to talk, passage of time and also BD economy is on sound footing)....but its not like the basic opinion he has...has changed (he says the jobs/economy situation as reason why nothing is majorly rocking the political boat).

Long term its BD people themselves that will show if current arrangement is sustainable or not....but I doubt its all engineered 100% within BD. SHW has gone all in and she probably got the support from India to do so.

Democracy in BD is in name only. It is more of a dictatorship. How this happened? Like I said AL had a super majority in the parliament in 2009. They could change the constitution with 2/3rd majority. Thus the caretaker system wad abolished. Instead now elections are conducted by the govt in power in other words Hasina and AL. And BNP hasn't a chance to go to power winning an election under Hasina. Last caretaker govt fucked up big time. So a lot of people were also against an unelected caretaker govt.

 

[Nilgiri]

Democracy in BD is in name only. It is more of a dictatorship. How this happened? Like I said AL had a super majority in the parliament in 2009. They could change the constitution with 2/3rd majority. Thus the caretaker system wad abolished. Instead now elections are conducted by the govt in power in other words Hasina and AL. And BNP hasn't a chance to go to power winning an election under Hasina. Last caretaker govt fucked up big time. So a lot of people were also against an unelected caretaker govt.

OK so they changed the constitution itself. Got it. I didn't know that part of backstory.

Did BNP or BAL ever have super majority before that btw?

 

[Mage]

OK so they changed the constitution itself. Got it. I didn't know that part of backstory.

Did BNP or BAL ever have super majority before that btw?

Well no. AL didn't even get majority before 2009. They had to make a coalition with Ershad to get past 150 seats in 1996. BNP and their coalition partners combined got around 210 seats in 2001. But they didn't try to abolish caretaker govt then. BNP however tried in their first term 1991. But was unsuccessful. AL got like 240 seats in 2009 out of 300. And.combined with their coalition partners they had like 260+ seats. And the time was right for them to change the caretaker govt system as a lot of people were frustrated that an unelected caretaker govt held onto power for more than 2 years.

 

[asad71]

Depends on who you want to believe.

An officer who was in charge of the incident claims the Indian casualty ranged from 100-400. This is only possible if an Ambush attack took place in the dark of night on an unsuspecting ill prepared raiding party.

The official claim is 3 Bangladeshi and 16 Indian soldiers. Those who believe in 100-400 number think that India let it slide and covered up the number as Sheikh Hasina was the prime minister of Bangladesh and the incident took place by Army without her consent.

1.It is believed this was a SSF Bn brought in the day before and pushed into the attack sporting BSF uniform. The commanders had hardly any time to reccee or brief troops in detail. They believed they would not encounter any opposition and it would be a smooth walk-in. Rum was still authorized and they filled up good.
2. In the pitch dark night the unit missed the BDR post and ran into the neighboring village. In the narrow criss-crossed allays of the village the attackers lost their way. Our border villages have a warning system, and soon the entire village was awake. The attackers were hacked or thrashed with bamboo sticks and household tools wherever found. The ones isolated were lynched by the furious mob. Firstly the inherent hatred for Indians and on top of that, these guys were drunk - something the staunch Muslims could not tolerate.
3. But for the arrival of BDR troops, the SSF casualties would have been more.

 

[Nilgiri]

Well no. AL didn't even get majority before 2009. They had to make a coalition with Ershad to get past 150 seats in 1996. BNP and their coalition partners combined got around 210 seats in 2001. But they didn't try to abolish caretaker govt then. BNP however tried in their first term 1991. But was unsuccessful. AL got like 240 seats in 2009 out of 300. And.combined with their coalition partners they had like 260+ seats. And the time was right for them to change the caretaker govt system as a lot of people were frustrated that an unelected caretaker govt held onto power for more than 2 years.

OK, this is what my buddy was referring to once loosely...saying BNP doesnt have clean hands either and would do same thing afforded the opportunity...and tried once before.

 

[Mage]

OK, this is what my buddy was referring to once loosely...saying BNP doesnt have clean hands either and would do same thing afforded the opportunity...and tried once before.

I would be bashed for saying this but I think the caretaker govt was doing good in the two years they were in power.

 

[bd_4_ever]

Yeah keep spreading your dumb propaganda. Nothing's changed since 1971 with you lot. 3 million is an "extremely reliable" figure in the same vein from "many sources".

Point is you were not there, none of us were. Everything about it has been told to you by someone else and probably went through several rounds of the chinese whispers game.

In the end BD faced the music at pilkhana and complete interference into its politics. You have one party rule and foreign proxy control now extending from it further....enjoy it.

Its expected that you will get triggered, even at a decent response.

But the point is no one is shoving anything beyond your throat. If you dont like the figures, all good. Your off-topic hue cry isnt going to change much here, neither is it going to convince anyone otherwise.. as has always been the case.