Historic Boraibari Victory Day

[bluesky]

1.It is believed this was a SSF Bn brought in the day before and pushed into the attack sporting BSF uniform. The commanders had hardly any time to reccee or brief troops in detail. They believed they would not encounter any opposition and it would be a smooth walk-in. Rum was still authorized and they filled up good.
2. In the pitch dark night the unit missed the BDR post and ran into the neighboring village. In the narrow criss-crossed allays of the village the attackers lost their way. Our border villages have a warning system, and soon the entire village was awake. The attackers were hacked or thrashed with bamboo sticks and household tools wherever found. The ones isolated were lynched by the furious mob. Firstly the inherent hatred for Indians and on top of that, these guys were drunk - something the staunch Muslims could not tolerate.
3. But for the arrival of BDR troops, the SSF casualties would have been more.

I think, you have given a somewhat incorrect account. Please read the account that I have compiled from different sources;

1) There were only 13 BDR troops in the Baraibari border outpost (BoP). 400 IA troops entered to surround the BoP and kill the BDR troops and occupy the area.
2) But, why the IA troops wanted to do so? On 16 April 2001, BDR troops attacked and captured Pyrdiwah village, breaking the status quo. The Indian BSF post in Pyrdiwah village was surrounded, trapping 31 BSF personnel within. The BDR claimed, the village had been illegally occupied by India since Bangladesh's war of independence in 1971.
3) In a tit for tat action IA troops attacked Baraibari 200 km away from Pyrdiwah on 20 April. Being not an enclave, Baraibari BDR camp was not supposed to be ready for such an attack.
4) However a 12 year old boy went to observe the level of water in the rice field in the very early morning of that day. He saw shadows far away approaching into BD. He ran back to his house and informed his father and uncles, who ran to the BDR camp to inform the advance of IA troops.
5) BDR troops took positions outside their camps and when the unlucky IA troops came within a 100 meter range, they suddenly opened fire.

I am averse to blood shedding and I will not rejoice the occasion. However, considering the trap-like situation the IA troops fell in, many were certain to be killed. BDR already knew where the enemy troops were, but IA did not know that BDR already knew their advance and where the BDR have set the ambush points. In such a situation any military will face setback, however brave they may be.

 

[bd_4_ever]

You are talking rather upside down. Yes, it is true that Indian side consisted of 400 troops, but not every one was killed. As far as I have read, 97 IA troops were killed. 81 bodies were carried away by their IA colleagues while they ran back, but 16 bodies remained in this side of border. However, both sides avoided talking of 97 killed in order not to inflate the situation. They talked only of those whose bodies that could not be carried away. It is a common military practice that the survivors take away their fallen comrades.

Correct. The figure is ~96 as I have earlier stated. 16 bodies were counted for as they were left behind. Not all were taken away as few of the injured got captured, pictures of which we have all seen. 400 casualties is a wrong figure.

 

[bluesky]

Well no. AL didn't even get majority before 2009. They had to make a coalition with Ershad to get past 150 seats in 1996. BNP and their coalition partners combined got around 210 seats in 2001. But they didn't try to abolish caretaker govt then. BNP however tried in their first term 1991. But was unsuccessful. AL got like 240 seats in 2009 out of 300. And.combined with their coalition partners they had like 260+ seats. And the time was right for them to change the caretaker govt system as a lot of people were frustrated that an unelected caretaker govt held onto power for more than 2 years.

Only 200 votes make the 2/3rd majority in the Parliament of 300. However, I think, 30 more women MPs are selected by the majority of the MPs. So, a total of 220 votes may be required then to make any changes in the Constitution.

Why people are blaming those MUA and FUA guys for the AL to get such a majority? In the 2009 election BNP got the 2/3rd majority. BD people's minds always swing left to right and then right to left. So, why to blame the Generals?

 

[asad71]

I think, you have given a somewhat incorrect account. Please read the account that I have compiled from different sources;

1) There were only 13 BDR troops in the Baraibari border outpost (BoP). 400 IA troops entered to surround the BoP and kill the BDR troops and occupy the area.
2) But, why the IA troops wanted to do so? On 16 April 2001, BDR troops attacked and captured Pyrdiwah village, breaking the status quo. The Indian BSF post in Pyrdiwah village was surrounded, trapping 31 BSF personnel within. The BDR claimed, the village had been illegally occupied by India since Bangladesh's war of independence in 1971.
3) In a tit for tat action IA troops attacked Baraibari 200 km away from Pyrdiwah on 20 April. Being not an enclave Baraibari, BDR camp was not supposed to be ready for such an attack.
4) However a 12 year old boy went to observe the level of water in the rice field in the very early morning of that day. He saw shadows far away approaching into BD. He ran back to his house and informed his father and uncles, who ran to the BDR camp to inform the advance of IA troops.
5) BDR troops took positions outside their camps and when the unlucky IA troops came within a 100 meter range, they suddenly opened fire.

I am averse to blood shedding and I will not rejoice the occasion. However, considering the trap-like situation the IA troops fell in, many were certain to be killed. BDR already knew where the enemy troops were, but IA did not know that BDR already knew their advance and where the BDR have set the ambush points. In such a situation any military will face setback, however brave they may be.

I agree to the point about a boy accidentally detecting Indian assault. He ran back to the village and then warned the Section plus BDR post. We should locate this boy for a gallantry award.

 

[Species]

You are talking rather upside down. Yes, it is true that Indian side consisted of 400 troops, but not every one was killed. As far as I have read, 97 IA troops were killed. 81 bodies were carried away by their IA colleagues while they ran back, but 16 bodies remained in this side of border. However, both sides avoided talking of 97 killed in order not to inflate the situation. They talked only of those whose bodies that could not be carried away. It is a common military practice that the survivors take away their fallen comrades.

From what I know and read, the Indian forces were the size of about a brigade, that means there were some 2000 Indian troops. Though there are differences of opinions regarding the number of Indians killed, I quoted the former BDR DG Fazlur Rahman, acording to him 400 Indian soldiers were killed.

 

[Green Arrow]

Are you sure it was 400?

yes same like 3 million

 

[bluesky]

From what I know and read, the Indian forces were the size of about a brigade, that means there were some 2000 Indian troops. Though there are differences of opinions regarding the number of Indians killed, I quoted the former BDR DG Fazlur Rahman, acording to him 400 Indian soldiers were killed.

Military people always exaggerate the figures of enemy causalities. We must seek information from neutral sources. It may not be the exact figure. I have read that a total of 800 IA troops were assembled, of which 400 ventured into BD land. The other 400 remained in the Indian land and would enter only if a grave situation arises. Well, it did not go as per IA wish as there were many victims on the callous Indian side. Sometimes I wonder if the actual number of death was 98, how many were injured. At least another 200, I guess.

About Fazlur Rahman. He certainly ordered the BDR to open fire. It is also a certainty that the then PM SHW accepted his request only because the operation would raise her and AL popularity. It turned out to be a wishful thinking. AL was defeated in the subsequent election. The so-called anti-India politician Begum Zia sacked FR when she came to power.

 

[Species]

Military people always exaggerate the figures of enemy causalities. We must seek information from neutral sources. It may not be the exact figure. I have read that a total of 800 IA troops were assembled, of which 400 ventured into BD land. The other 400 remained in the Indian land and would enter only if a grave situation arises. Well, it did not go as per IA wish as there were many victims on the callous Indian side. Sometimes I wonder if the actual number of death was 98, how many were injured. At least another 200, I guess.

About Fazlur Rahman. He certainly ordered the BDR to open fire. It is also a certainty that the then PM SHW accepted his request only because the operation would raise her and AL popularity. It turned out to be a wishful thinking. AL was defeated in the subsequent election. The so-called anti-India politician Begum Zia sacked FR when she came to power.

Are you sure the 400 troops were in Boraibari or in Padua?

 

[T-Rex]

Democracy in BD is in name only. It is more of a dictatorship. How this happened? Like I said AL had a super majority in the parliament in 2009. They could change the constitution with 2/3rd majority. Thus the caretaker system wad abolished. Instead now elections are conducted by the govt in power in other words Hasina and AL. And BNP hasn't a chance to go to power winning an election under Hasina. Last caretaker govt fucked up big time. So a lot of people were also against an unelected caretaker govt.

Assad, Sissy and their likes always have 'super majority' and that is part of the problem people like you deliberately ignore! According to you BD is a SOVEREIGN state yet it cannot even charge a transit fee to her dear neighbour. She does not dare bring the water issue to the UN even though india has killed so many of her rivers.

 

[Mage]

Assad, Sissy and their likes always have 'super majority' and that is part of the problem people like you deliberately ignore!

And your point is?

 

[Mage]

How do you do it? I mean how do pretend that you are a dimwit?

If you keep dodging questions instead of answering them...then I'm sorry I'm not going to continue the debate.

 

[T-Rex]

If you keep dodging questions instead of answering them...then I'm sorry I'm not going to continue the debate.

I don't have time for charlatans posing as bird brains.

 

[T-Rex]

Democracy in BD is in name only. It is more of a dictatorship. How this happened? Like I said AL had a super majority in the parliament in 2009. They could change the constitution with 2/3rd majority. Thus the caretaker system wad abolished. Instead now elections are conducted by the govt in power in other words Hasina and AL. And BNP hasn't a chance to go to power winning an election under Hasina. Last caretaker govt fucked up big time. So a lot of people were also against an unelected caretaker govt.

BAL has its cronies in places who rig every single election held under their supervision. These are sham elections designed to legitimize the BAL autocracy.

 

[Mage]

BAL has its cronies in places who rig every single election held under their supervision. These are sham elections designed to legitimize the BAL autocracy.

Yeah...but 2009 election did not take place under BAL authority.

 

[24 Hours]

If you keep dodging questions instead of answering them...then I'm sorry I'm not going to continue the debate.

It's what he normally does, just ignore him. His brain is severely impaired.