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The concept which you are trying to use as an argument, is basically to correct the social injustice and class or caste systems, where on Nation / country or white /black or any tribe or anyone is superior or betetr then other.
Everyone will agree with that on principle but you cant force that kind of thing with punitive legislation and codify it in law.

Affirmative action leads to ruin, and puts the people you are trying to help in a worse position.

In Islam all humans are equal, only way to be better then others is to become a better human, taqwa, piety which teaches us humility and human values.
No, in Islam, all humans are not equal..

you say it yourself here... one must become muslim essentially

expansionist and non compromising, this Arab ideology.. I like the non compromising bit, us kaffirs have actually learnt from it.

Shukranallah !

So Simply Islam, is saying No arab is better then non arab, race, colour and ethnicity does not make you better or worse.
that's not how it works in the real world bro

Arabs make no distinction between goray pashtoon mard e momins and a fish curry muncher diminutive blacky.. Abubakr something from Kerala or some something ul-islam dude from BD... mazdoors, the lot of them, untouchable even.

Hinduism is totally opposite, there is no concept of all humans are equal. you know the details.
I don't. Mostly irreligious here, which is halal :o:

give us the details anyway then..

So, Nationalism in the sense of, making someone superior to another nation is condemned. but no where it states that you do not love your country and support it, All ethnicities, colour, creed, races are equal no one is better then other based on these, and all love their country.

So concept is simple, but very hard to understand for Hindus where they are divided and have different status based on caste, color etc.
On paper only.. in the real world, local culture and traditions Trump everything.

Our really old traditions, which are not well defined.. are here to stay.

In India, the Kaffir majority do not live by word of some instruction booklet manual thing, that is culty behaviour, frankly.

khulli choot hai, believe or not, accept or reject.. up to you because "god" gave us all a brain.

no overlord gonna punish you by burning your soul for eternity if you ate a peperoni pizza and washed it down with a beer for example, okai ?

want to become a muslim ? no problem, convert away, BC namaz padhni hai, namaz padh lo

a deceitful troll is what you are, finding the most insane fringe stuff you can find and shying away from real talk and sources.
 
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A Muslim cannot at the same time be a Muslim and a polytheist, or a Muslim and communist.

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Don't waste your time with me, Go convince the courts who has refused him BAIL due to the evidence provided.

The courts have also released Arnab Goswami, Sadhvi Pragya, Maya Kodnani etc.

Have a hear from 3:15
"If we have 5 lakh people with us we can permanently cut off northeast India from rest of the India," - sharjeel imam
Isn't it the same illusional concept, most Pakistanis utter, :dirol:

And the next instant he says "If not permanently we can cut off Northeast for one month". Why do you ignore this ?

want to become a muslim ? no problem, convert away, BC namaz padhni hai, namaz padh lo

:lol: What cock and bull stories are you concocting, Virus mian ? Currently we have BJP-ruled states preparing to enact law against "Love Jihad" where becoming Muslim on part of the wife ( if at all that happens ) would become a serious offense by the husband. Yeah, that is the "crime" Indian state governments should be focusing on. :rolleyes:

We currently also have the divorce case of an IAS Muslim-Hindu couple, Athar Khan and Tina Dabi, where the divorce is being seen as a victory by the Hinduvadis because "the woman has been saved from a Love Jihadi". The divorce which may have happened for a variety of reasons has become a religious war in the minds of the Hindutvadis. Read this :
The couple filed for divorce with mutual consent after two years of marriage. 2015-batch IAS toppers Tina Dabi and Athar Khan, who tied the knot in March 2018, serve in the Rajasthan cadre. Their marriage became the talk of the town when Tina removed Khan from her surname on social media. Athar too unfollowed Tina on Instagram around the same time.

Athar, who comes from Kashmir, had secured the second position in the UPSC exams whereas Dabi ranked first becoming the first Dalit girl to top the civil services exam in the first attempt itself. Both of them came close during their training at the Lal Bahadur Shastri National Academy for Administration in Mussoorie.

The two first got married in a court ceremony in Jaipur, then in Kashmir. Tina and Athar's marriage grabbed the headlines after many political leaders congratulated the IAS couple.

Congress leader Rahul Gandhi had then tweeted, "Congratulations Tina Dabi and Athar Amir-ul-Shafi, IAS toppers, batch of 2015, on your wedding! May your love grow from strength to strength and may you be an inspiration to all Indians in this age of growing intolerance and communal hatred. God bless you".

The Hindu Mahasabha, on the other hand, had condemned their union as love jihad. The Hindu Mahasabha wrote a letter to Dabi's parents urging them to either cancel the marriage or convince Khan to convert.
 
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Everyone will agree with that on principle but you cant force that kind of thing with punitive legislation and codify it in law.

Affirmative action leads to ruin, and puts the people you are trying to help in a worse position.

there is not law which you can enforce 100%.

we can assume anything we want, we are free to do that.

No, in Islam, all humans are not equal..

you say it yourself here... one must become muslim essentially

expansionist and non compromising, this Arab ideology.. I like the non compromising bit, us kaffirs have actually learnt from it.

Shukranallah !

All humans are equal, when you are looking as humanity, now whoever becomes human will understand and follow these principals religiously and will become better based on their adherence to these principals which makes all of us equal.

Arab ideology and tribalism is condemned in Islam, so if some follow and feel they are better because of their colour, race or whatever, are not the examples to look at in these matters.

again no law can be enforced 100% and we can assume as we wish.

that's not how it works in the real world bro

Arabs make no distinction between goray pashtoon mard e momins and a fish curry muncher diminutive blacky.. Abubakr something from Kerala or some something ul-islam dude from BD... mazdoors, the lot of them, untouchable even.

again cant enforce any law 100%. They are doing it and its wrong and they know it too, but ancient tribal superiority complex is not what islam teaches and corrected.

Because of wrong doing doings of some people you can not blame the whole country, region or religion.

We must see the Law Book, not the crooks who are manipulating it and interpreting it to suit their motives. this goes for Muslims and non Muslims.

I don't. Mostly irreligious here, which is halal :o:

give us the details anyway then.

I dont unnecessarily involve religion, but only to counter Indian fake representation of Hinuism and claims.

in other threads I have mentioned some, including detailed Ramayana quotes to clarify false claims of Indians that Ram burned Lanka for Sita..
On paper only.. in the real world, local culture and traditions Trump everything.

Our really old traditions, which are not well defined.. are here to stay.

In India, the Kaffir majority do not live by word of some instruction booklet manual thing, that is culty behaviour, frankly.

khulli choot hai, believe or not, accept or reject.. up to you because "god" gave us all a brain.

no overlord gonna punish you by burning your soul for eternity if you ate a peperoni pizza and washed it down with a beer for example, okai ?

want to become a muslim ? no problem, convert away, BC namaz padhni hai, namaz padh lo

a deceitful troll is what you are, finding the most insane fringe stuff you can find and shying away from real talk and sources.
again, your point of view or ignoring does not change the reality.
Just asking you to provide proof of your claims

Why the butthurt ?
proof is in posted material, which is unedited in anyway, screenshots. if you think they are not Hindutva teachings, lets see what they really preach.

gangu you have no sensible response to my posts, your lungi is on fire.
a deceitful troll is what you are, finding the most insane fringe stuff you can find and shying away from real talk and sources.

finally showing your true self. dont be shy come out.
I heard all that from sanghis when they want to defend but cant not. so you are welcome.

remember this is not a religious thread, its about the ideology and principals of RSS and BJP. this is what you people are saying not me .

and Your beloved Yogi and gang openly admit all of these, so no lies and made up stuff like you people do.
What cock and bull stories are you concocting, Virus mian ?

he could not act like a civilized person for long, sanghi within him came out too fast. I was treating him like a normal person, but he is also brainwashed sanghi.
 
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finally showing your true self. dont be shy come out.
To anyone reading, it is very apparent that it is you who has an axe to grind, not me.
proof of freedom of speech.

yes, she has a voice in INDIA and I fully support that bit.

people are also free to reject her POV and call her all sorts of names

support that bit too..
 
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To anyone reading, it is very apparent that it is you who has an axe to grind, not me.

LOL at your ignorance. exactly how a sanghi should feel.

I am just showing the ideology and crooked mindset of most of the Indians and most importantly RSS BJP's mission and aspiration, which is ruling the country aiming towards hatred filled Hindu rashtra.

Manu Laws will replace Indian constitution and brahman will take their rightful place, all rest of you are low life slaves, brainwashed, foot soldiers to do their dirty work.
 
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LOL at your ignorance. exactly how a sanghi should feel.

I am just showing the ideology and crooked mindset of most of the Indians and most importantly RSS BJP's mission and aspiration, which is ruling the country aiming towards hatred filled Hindu rashtra.

Manu Laws will replace Indian constitution and brahman will take their rightful place, all rest of you are low life slaves, brainwashed, foot soldiers to do their dirty work.
ok, full on troll hai tu, just want to hate on kafirs.. fine.
 
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ok, full on troll hai tu, just want to hate on kafirs.. fine.
this is what they taught you in RSS shakha, brainwashed full on hai bahi,,,,
No one hates kafirs.
Looks like you are ashamed of your own self and what you believe in.
demand go-mutra and cow dung,
with pride. these low life sanghis are worth gobar for brahmans, only good slaves to so dirty work.
@jamahir is this correct?

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Not sure about "urine jihad" 🤣🤣🤣 and some of the other stuff like mixing stuff in food but there are some true bits there too.

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Simple patriotic sentiments, so long as they do not contravene the higher conviction of man is permissible in Islam, like the affection one feels towards one's father, son and family. But as already shown, nationalism does not stop at simple sentiments. It is a socio-political creed and an actual way of life which aims at a full control of man's individual and social conduct. Islam, too, being a school having its own independent, spiritual, practical, political and social system and comprising a particular set of beliefs, it naturally comes into conflict with the school of nationalism.


Unlike other religions such as Christianity, Buddhism etc, Islam is not confined to religious rites and metaphysical convictions. Had Islam been only a religion of devotions, it might have agreed with nationalism. But Islam is a religion with asocial and philosophical worldview, and provides for economic and political principles. Nationalism, too, has its own social and political principles based however on different beliefs and criteria. Therefore, conflict between Islam and nationalism is inevitable. The Islamic ideology is not compatible with any other ideology on the question of sovereignty over the private and social life of Muslims. A Muslim cannot at the same time be a Muslim and a polytheist, or a Muslim and communist. In Islam, there is no room for one to be a loyal and genuine nationalist. It is a question of identity, and one negates the other.


Nationalism is incompatible with Islam, both schools having two opposite ideologies. These two assume two totally opposite poles in their spirit, essence, direction and goal.


As we shall explain later, the Quran has explicitly rejected the basis of nationalism, and states that language, colour and race are no criteria for unity and privilege. The only criteria are belief and virtue. A common ideology is the basis of the unity of the Islamic ummah, not race, country, language or even culture. The goal of nationalism is to create national units, whereas the goal of Islam is universal unity. To nationalism what matters the most is loyalty and attachment to the homeland, whereas to Islam, it is God and religion. Nationalism gives authenticity to geographical boundaries and racial distinctions, whereas Islam negates them. Nationalism inclines to limitation and race, but Islam assumes a universal outlook.


Nationalism attaches value only to the historical traditions, culture, civilization, ideas and historical figures of its own nation, but Islam's vision goes beyond the frontier, race, tribe and nation. Moses, Jesus, Muhammad and Ali are considered as belonging to all mankind. Islam wishes all nations to regard the Quran as their Book, and the Ka'aba as their Qibla, and true leaders of Islam as their leaders."

read the rest here: https://www.al-islam.org/islam-and-...hammed-naqvi/part-seven-islam-and-nationalism

and this:

"Question: Is nationalism a call of Jaahiliyaah and is Haram in Islam? Answer in the light of Qur'an and Sunnah.

Answer:
Praise be to Allah, the Lord of the Worlds; and may His blessings and peace be upon our Prophet Muhammad and upon all his Family and Companions. Nationalism in the sense of chauvinism means excessive devotion to a nation, a colour, a race or an ethnic group like Arab nationalism is a sort of Jahiliya (ignorant beliefs of the pre-Islamic era). It is prohibited in Shariah as the person's adherence and devotion should stem from right creed and piety. Allah Says (interpretation of meaning): {…Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqûn (pious)] …}[49: 13]. The Prophet (Sallallahu Alaihi wa Sallam) said: "There is no preference of an Arab over a non-Arab, or a non-Arab over an Arab, or a white person over a black one, or a black person over a white one except by piety. In fact, all people are from Adam and Adam is from sand" [ Ahmad and al-Baihaqi ]. The enemies of Islam succeeded in preparing some men from our own community who call for adherence and devotion on a basis other than religion and belief. These men's adherence is for the language, the colour of the skin ----. Such a campaign succeeded in gathering many followers. So, one should explain this to people and warn them against it. Allah knows best."


Fair sources, no right wing anti muslim propaganda there.... but Islam is an expansionist ideology.

In India the dominant culture is one of.. pagan idol worship, if you will. It's been here for thousands of years preceding Islam. It is a very accepting philosophy that believes in the brotherhood of man, it is not a rigid proselytizing extreme rules based militantly expansionist ideology.

I could dig up a lot of genuine Islamic sources, not hindutva bigotry or anything of the sort on what Islam says about "idol worship" but you probably already know that stuff.

Guess it all depends on how seriously someone takes Islam, do they become literalist crazies like the Salafists ? not talking about terrorism, just their whole outlook on life, their worldview. Those guys hate us "pagans" with a passion and can never be loyal to a place like India, hell, they're unhappy even in Islamic countries in the middle east and don't like the royal families. Sadly, even the majority of the moderate ones hang on to ideas like "kaffir" and "mushrik" etc

Hindutva is nothing but cultural nationalism, the Shia and their sub sects are mostly unabashedly pro India. Sunnis not so much, the more religious they get, the more they hate every other type on Indian.. in fact they hate the Shia more than Hindutvawaadis lol.

We'd have a full on Saudi supporters vs Iran supporters hot war here if it weren't for the benevolent Hindu rashtra leadership, beginning with Nehru and including his clan/dynasty and continuing with Modi/Shah today.

Stop posting worthless fringe trash that nobody reads, you're only misleading yourself and your readers... we can talk about real issues in a civil way if you want.

Seriously what an idiot. Muslims have more nations you simpleton - how many do hindus have ? . Every major language among muslims have their own nations - malays, bengalis, krygz, uzbeks, kazhaks, turks, and arabs have many. you hindus got only india which is not even a hindu nation but something made by british bureacracy. And you come here to lecture about nationhood and religion. what amazes me not so much that you are so dumb but you have such cockiness combined with such dumbness,
 
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this is what they taught you in RSS shakha, brainwashed full on
notice how I never labelled you a 'madrassa' madman or anything but just want to exchange ideas

did you ?

you obviously do not want to debate or converse and prefer to be a shit-slinging troll
 
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Seriously what an idiot. Muslims have more nations you simpleton - how many do hindus have ? . Every major language among muslims have their own nations - malays, bengalis, krygz, uzbeks, kazhaks, turks, and arabs have many. you hindus got only india which is not even a hindu nation but something made by british bureacracy. And you come here to lecture about nationhood and religion. what amazes me not so much that you are so dumb but you have such cockiness combined with such dumbness,
India is beyond you... got it !
 
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notice how I never labelled you a 'madrassa' madman or anything but just want to exchange ideas

did you ?

you obviously do not want to debate or converse and prefer to be a shit-slinging troll

You are here to debate or converse, and yes you did worse then calling me madrassa or anything...see below your idiotic way of conversing.

just one example.
ok, full on troll hai tu, just want to hate on kafirs.. fine.
 
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