Hindu girl forced to convert, held in Pak madrassa

[T-Faz]

A recent example of Indian media's role in furthering government propaganda. This is why i do not trust Indian media.

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IBNLive reported that a hindu temple has been destroyed in Karachi. With made up accounts of people and an overblown campaign to demonize Pakistan. Shown on TV and with all kinds of propaganda to go with it.

Land grabbers target Hindu temples in Pak

Pakistan hindu council is contacted and the patron of the council denies any such thing and says that if such a thing happens we can easily deal with it. But the indian media does not report it on TV and only choose to highlight their bullshit story and made the indian public go mad where they started writing despicable crap about all Pakistani's online.

No Lord Krishna temple demolished: Pak Hindu Council- Hindustan Times

And to top it all the person in charge of IBLLive, Rajdeep Serdesai is asked about this false accusation by a media person, and I quote the article:

"she said, nothing of the sort happened. Such practices only provoke acrimony, she maintained. Rajdeep Sardesai admitted to the reporter’s point, and said that the statement was issued by an Indian government functionary."

Indo-Pak editors’ moot concludes

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The Pakistani media makes alot of noise when such things occur, especially our people rights campaigners.

Dawn, the news, jang will al report it just like the Sikh case. Again the indian media blew that story out of proportion to such an extent that a sikh leader condemned indian media.

Now this is an internal matter, nothing wrong with you point scoring but we will deal with it. I am from a minority too and know that in certain places, certain people can act like this. But happens everywhere in the world.

Another thing that Pakistani's have to think now is that, Madrassa need to be closed. Ever since Zia opened them in the 80's, they have caused nothing but hate and misery.

Zia is in responsible for this and we need to do everything we can to turn this around. The extremists and Wahabis have harmed Islam, but we can still save this.

 

[Areesh]

Indian media=No source provided. Topic close.

 

[Solomon2]

what are you doing here?

I am a simple Pakistani and like most Pakistanis, i am Powerless to do anything.

If you're a "simple" Pakistani, then you're the first one I've ever met! Yet the Phillippines was even poorer than Pakistan when its people united to kick the U.S.-supported dictator, Marcos, out of power. A hundred years or so years ago Americans were poorer than Pakistanis are today, yet most Americans lived in a society where law and order functioned.

I would guess that the feeling of helplessness is something created in you by oppression. Oppressors inculcate in the oppressed the feeling that poverty and injustice are parts of life and they had better just concentrate on staying alive. If frustrations must be expressed, the oppressors try to re-direct them against foreigners.

Helping others is a far fledged thing i barely eke out my own living.I am not a wealthy like Zionists.

Justice isn't something provided by the rich to the poor, and not all charity is money or deed. There is charity of the spirit and heart, where a kind word or warm hand of friendship can make all the difference. And angry words have been known to motivate authorities to remedy injustices when before they might look the other way.

I have to earn my bread from dawn to dusk after that i don't have any energy left even to move out of my chair.

That's the thing about democracy, it demands participation from the citizenry to be effective, and that time is taken from other pursuits. It does seem unfair at times, for the activity of the politically active ends up benefiting everyone, including those who don't take the time for political activity themselves, but that's the price we pay.

 

[Frankenstein]

There is no compulsion in religion and it is not permitted to force someone to convert to Islam, in other words it is haram to convert anyone to Islam by force, So IMO its a fake news, or another propaganda by non-muslims to mock our religion

 

[pak-yes]

If you're a "simple" Pakistani, then you're the first one I've ever met! Yet the Phillippines was even poorer than Pakistan when its people united to kick the U.S.-supported dictator, Marcos, out of power. A hundred years or so years ago Americans were poorer than Pakistanis are today, yet most Americans lived in a society where law and order functioned.

I would guess that the feeling of helplessness is something created in you by oppression. Oppressors inculcate in the oppressed the feeling that poverty and injustice are parts of life and they had better just concentrate on staying alive. If frustrations must be expressed, the oppressors try to re-direct them against foreigners.

The things you say are easy to say on a forum, but keeping my Patriotism aside reality is that survival itself in Pakistan is a major achievement.

Justice isn't something provided by the rich to the poor, and not all charity is money or deed. There is charity of the spirit and heart, where a kind word or warm hand of friendship can make all the difference. And angry words have been known to motivate authorities to remedy injustices when before they might look the other way.

agreed.

That's the thing about democracy, it demands participation from the citizenry to be effective, and that time is taken from other pursuits. It does seem unfair at times, for the activity of the politically active ends up benefiting everyone, including those who don't take the time for political activity themselves, but that's the price we pay.

Democracy is only by name in Pakistan.Frankly it is sort of like kingdom where crown travels from father to son.Similarly in Pakistani Democracy all Parties transfer power from father to son or immediate family.

Frankly as long as the person governing the country is good for people i don't care whether he came due to democracy,King or Military.

 

[jbond197]

Asian Human right commision made an urgent appeal against one such conversion. Please check the link

link

Do you guys still deny this?

 

[ajpirzada]

slightly off topic but just thought of sharing:

PAKISTAN: Exclusive: Islam: No Compulsion in Religion? [Family Security Matters, NJ]

GENERAL APPEAL (Pakistan): Sindh provincial government's deliberate negligence to protect the Hindu religious minority

Some of the South Korean Christian missionaries who were recently kidnapped by the Taliban in Afghanistan were subjected to beatings during their captivity. According to the pastor of the Saemmul Church, the beatings were administered when the missionaries refused to convert to Islam. Five of the 19 captives who returned home at the weekend were male. According to hospital chief Cha Seung-Gyun: "We found through medical checks that some male hostages were beaten. They said they were beaten at first for refusing to take part in Islamic prayers or for rejecting a demand to convert."

The statement from the Koran (Sura 2: 256) that there should be "no compulsion in religion" has been cited as proof that Islam does not employ force to maintain its numbers. Perhaps this is true if one only judges the Koran, and ignores verses such as Sura 8: 12:

"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instill terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them,"

or Sura 2: 191 which states:

"And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out".

Compulsion is certainly implied in Sura 9: 29:

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya (a tax paid by Christians and Jews) with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

dont quote the battlefield verses and generalise them. u r doing wat taliban do. which is to take things out of context.

i have double checked these verses just now before replying to u.

 

[Solomon2]

The things you say are easy to say on a forum, but keeping my Patriotism aside reality is that survival itself in Pakistan is a major achievement.

I don't think it has to be that way forever. Yet changing that requires a change in politics and the priorities of Pakistani society - groups of men and women just like you.

Democracy is only by name in Pakistan.Frankly it is sort of like kingdom where crown travels from father to son.Similarly in Pakistani Democracy all Parties transfer power from father to son or immediate family.

Then why not start your own political party, one that pursues different principles? The Internet is a good tool for organization, yes?

Frankly as long as the person governing the country is good for people i don't care whether he came due to democracy,King or Military.

Then you accept the life of a peasant, with your fate ever in the hands of your superiors, rather than association as determined by choices between free men.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

She is not really converted if she is forced to be converted. The conversion cannot be done with force.

The Truth

Bingo...

i question the authenticy of this 'news' story anyways

might be an indian source

 

[ajpirzada]

If she is kidnapped and kept a hostage long period of time she'll agree to do anything.After sometime she'll accept her fate and try her best live normal as Muslim women in a Islamic society where its far easier to live as Muslim rather than non Muslim.U know its happen all the time.

well if they keep her kidnapped then u cant do anything. and converting to adjust in the society is again no conversion. this is the negative of the society which failed to provide others enough freedom to practice their religion. hopefully things will improve with education of masses.

 

[T-Faz]

I don't think it has to be that way forever. Yet changing that requires a change in politics and the priorities of Pakistani society - groups of men and women just like you.

Then why not start your own political party, one that pursues different principles? The Internet is a good tool for organization, yes?

Then you accept the life of a peasant, with your fate ever in the hands of your superiors, rather than association as determined by choices between free men.

Solomon, Sir you need to come to Pakistan and lead men like us to create true democracy within Pakistan. We will march behind you and stand shoulder to shoulder. The day you do this will be the day you experience the great Pakistani tradition of 'Lathi Charge'. Hope you can sustain the torture.

As for the highlighted statement, do you not think that applies to american citizens as well. They are peasants in the world of superiors who are part of the Military Industrial Complex, Politics and Bank. They hold the whole country by its neck, seamlessly robbing the people of US and never ever being prosecuted for their crimes. the majority of the people of US want to end all wars and in a true democracy they would be obliged with by the the government. But the government does what it wants, and the common american man suffers.

They have no other option apart from the Republicans and Democrats who act out against each other superficially but are two sides of the same coin.

You see the world is a complex place and things do not work in a simple manner. A clock face looks very basic but watch what goes behind the face and you see the bigger picture.

Once we reach our goal of 70% literacy, then we will move on towards a better society as people who do not know what they want cannot dictate the countries goals.

Peace.

 

[pak-yes]

I don't think it has to be that way forever. Yet changing that requires a change in politics and the priorities of Pakistani society - groups of men and women just like you.

lol for the highlighted part.You don't need to give me false hopes.The things in Pakistan will remain same forever.I can guarantee you that.

Then why not start your own political party, one that pursues different principles? The Internet is a good tool for organization, yes?

Do you Believe in Hell.Yes i think you do.So i have no intention of burning in hell by getting into Politics.

Then you accept the life of a peasant, with your fate ever in the hands of your superiors, rather than association as determined by choices between free men.

Yes i accept life as it is.There is no such thing as freemen in the world.And yes in Pakistan in 99% cases fate doesn't lie in the hands of People.so not only i accept it but also have learned to live with it.

 

[pak-yes]

Solomon, Sir you need to come to Pakistan and lead men like us to create true democracy within Pakistan. We will march behind you and stand shoulder to shoulder. The day you do this will be the day you experience the great Pakistani tradition of 'Lathi Charge'. Hope you can sustain the torture.

As for the highlighted statement, do you not think that applies to american citizens as well. They are peasants in the world of superiors who are part of the Military Industrial Complex, Politics and Bank. They hold the whole country by its neck, seamlessly robbing the people of US and never ever being prosecuted for their crimes. the majority of the people of US want to end all wars and in a true democracy they would be obliged with by the the government. But the government does what it wants, and the common american man suffers.

They have no other option apart from the Republicans and Democrats who act out against each other superficially but are two sides of the same coin.

You see the world is a complex place and things do not work in a simple manner. A clock face looks very basic but watch what goes behind the face and you see the bigger picture.

Once we reach our goal of 70% literacy, then we will move on towards a better society as people who do not know what they want cannot dictate the countries goals.

Peace.

Agree with you except the highlighted part.

 

[T-Faz]

Agree with you except the highlighted part.

I am merely referring to the fact that Pakistani's do not know what is good for them. This is evident through what we vote for and our lack of discipline. As a matter of fact I do not think that any country in the world have people who have the understanding and capacity to take decisions on behest of their country.

The people we call illeterates are master in their own fields and naturally trained craftsman. Our educated class is stupid and superficial. 70% literacy is merely a point to cross for a society to be developed.

 

[Solomon2]

Solomon, Sir you need to come to Pakistan and lead men like us to create true democracy within Pakistan. We will march behind you and stand shoulder to shoulder.

I am considering visiting Pakistan; yours is not the first invitation. But what makes you think that Pakistan can't birth its own leaders?

The day you do this will be the day you experience the great Pakistani tradition of 'Lathi Charge'. Hope you can sustain the torture.

American blacks were oppressed for generations. What changed was American society, and a principal motivation for change was revulsion at the sight (broadcast on American television) of blacks being whipped or beaten by police just for asserting their civil rights.

Non-violence. Sometimes you win by being beaten - if other people see it, anyway.

As for the highlighted statement, do you not think that applies to american citizens as well.

That's quite a stretch. We can always vote in an Obama to change things, and change does occur.

They have no other option apart from the Republicans and Democrats who act out against each other superficially but are two sides of the same coin.

Sometimes a third party crops up, only to have its agenda appropriated by more experienced politicians in one or both of the dominant parties. That's good leadership on their part.

You see the world is a complex place and things do not work in a simple manner...Once we reach our goal of 70% literacy, then we will move on towards a better society -

Is that some sort of excuse for doing nothing today?