Hindi-Bangla bhai-bhai: How Dhaka became India's most important ally in the subcontinent

[Nilgiri]

You're a good poster, and I appreciate that. But, with all due respect, this particular post is inaccurate and misleading.




Most of them did support the military. But not all did.

After the war was over, not all demanded to be repatriated to Pakistan. Most did not, in fact. And before the war, many did not hold favorable views of West Pakistan.




Pakistan took in many Biharis after the war. However, many Bengalis immigrated illegally from Bangladesh to Pakistan during the 1980s and early 1990s. Between 2-3 million of them are currently residing illegally in Pakistan. Pakistan has tried to deport some of these immigrants, but Bangladesh has refused to accept them.

A few of them even want to go back. Why should Pakistan consider taking in any Biharis at all if Bangladesh is unwilling to take back their own citizens (ethnic Bengalis) who illegally migrated to Pakistan?

tribune.com.pk/story/460370/bengalis-afraid-of-losing-their-identity-and-rights/




Firstly, only those born after 1971 are eligible for citizenship. Any Biharis born before the war of 1971 are not. Because they are ineligible to obtain Bangladeshi citizenship, it's not surprising that some of them identify as Pakistani. What choice do they have? Offer them citizenship, and most would accept it.

More importantly though, even those eligible for citizenship (born after the war) are unable to obtain legal documents to prove their citizenship. This severely limits their options as "citizens" of the country.

"Despite a law introduced in 2008 that guarantees citizenship for Bihari refugees, they face serious obstacles to obtaining citizenship documents such as passports and birth certificates"

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2015/jul/05/dcs-asked-find-land-relocate-biharis

"One the first major issues dealt with by the paralegals was the passport application problem. Government officials still clung to the notion that passport applications using camp address would not comply with the legal requirements of the government. They also said that they have written instructions not to issue passports to Biharis.

The paralegals did the inquiry with the government officials on this problem. A petition with the Home Ministry asking for information on the issuance of passport to Biharis did not receive a response. But a right to information petition with the Information Commission resulted in the release by the Home Ministry of a six-page document on passport issuance. The Home Ministry released the document before a scheduled hearing of the Information Commission on the petition was held. The document confirmed that camp dwellers with national identity card could get passports. Armed with the Home Ministry document, the paralegals went back to assisting fellow Biharis re-apply for passports with the government office that rejected their applications earlier.

But some passport applications were rejected still on the same ground of camp address despite Home Ministry regulation to the contrary. Biharis filed a petition with the National Human Rights Commission of Bangladesh to protest this situation. The National Human Rights Commission of Bangladesh issued five letters to the Home Ministry since May 2015, but the Ministry has not sent any answer yet."

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html




Not true. Leaving the camps would mean leaving the only place where they have a roof over their heads. As utterly deplorable these camps are, they are still preferable to being homeless. Most would like to shift outside of these camps, but the government is dragging its feet on the issue. It has promised to provide them land to allow them to move out of these camps (as recently as 2015 by none other than Sheikh Hasina herself), but nothing has been done so far:

"In April this year, a delegation of the Biharis met PM Sheikh Hasina and she promised to shift them to suitable locations outside Dhaka."

"We are yet find suitable land outside Dhaka for shifting the Bihari camps,” he said.

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2015/jul/05/dcs-asked-find-land-relocate-biharis




"A serious allegation that comes from the youths inside the camps is that they highly suffer in finding suitable jobs, not because of a lack of qualifications, but because of the word “Camp.”

“I am pursuing BBA. One day I would like to work in a bank or in a reputed company. But the employers hesitate in recruiting us. For that many end up in jobs that are way below their. Like job of a receptionist or a teacher at any local kindergarten,” says Fatema.

Md Aftab Alam, 22, student of Northern University and resident of the same camp, says he went for an interview for a part-time job at a renowned retail outlet in the capital. However, immediately after realising he belongs to the so-called ‘Bihari’ community, the interviewer showed him the way out of the room. “Maybe I at least got the call because I mentioned my address as ‘Zakir Hossain Road, Mohammadpur’ not ‘Town Hall Bihari camp’,” says Aftab.

Both Fatema and Aftab claim the word ‘camp’ is like a blemish on their identity for running day-to-day activities smoothly. For any official purpose they put the address of any ‘Bangali’ friend or neighbour living near the camp."

“If our younger brothers go to the nearby field to play in the evening, they won’t be allowed in. The teams that come to play there would say, ‘you are stranded Pakistanis, why have you come here?’ After working or studying the whole day, the young people can’t even get a proper bathroom or go play in the field,” he adds.

When asked about his identity, he says: “We consider ourselves as Bangali, but unfortunately the Bangalis consider us as Biharis.”

"MD Sadeq, 18, studied in the Kaderia Madrasa nearby the camp up to class eight. He says: “We faced huge problems while getting admission in the madrasa. They said they would not admit any child from the camp. They said ‘you speak Urdu, you live inside the camp, what will you do by studying?'".

“If we cannot get a good job or education because of our address, then how would we be able to go outside the camp and make a better living?” they explain.

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2013/nov/01/generation-shadows




False. They are citizens of Bangladesh (if they were born after 1971) and must be treated as such per the Supreme Court of Bangladesh:

"As the court explained: 2

We do not think that only because of the concentration of Urdu speaking people, who were citizens of the [erstwhile] East Pakistan [in] the so called Geneva camp has attained any special status so as to be excluded from the operation of the laws of the land including the said President Order, the Electoral Rolls Ordinance, 1982 or the Citizenship Act, 1951. So mere residence of the first group of the petitioners at the Geneva Camp cannot be termed as allegiance to another state by conduct."

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html




False. They can, and still expect to be treated as citizens per the Supreme Court of Bangladesh:

"The Supreme Court cited its previous decisions to stress that one who applied for repatriation to Pakistan, or "even a diehard pro-Pakistani born in this country is entitled to be citizen of Bangladesh if he fulfills the requirements under Article 2 and is not disqualified under clause (1) of Article 2B." 3"

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html



Just because most Biharis are eligible for citizenship, does not mean that they have obtained it. Nor are they "choosing" to live in their camps. And they continue to face widespread discrimination in their country because they aren't truly considered Bangladeshi by many, if not most, Bengalis of the in the country.

@nilgiri @Arefin007 @hiptullha

Thanks for the detailed explanation.

I will follow what you both have to say about it. I know its a touchy issue that really should be resolved responsibly by all sides.

 

[mb444]

You're a good poster, and I appreciate that. But, with all due respect, this particular post is inaccurate and misleading.




Most of them did support the military. But not all did.

After the war was over, not all demanded to be repatriated to Pakistan. Most did not, in fact. And before the war, many did not hold favorable views of West Pakistan.




Pakistan took in many Biharis after the war. However, many Bengalis immigrated illegally from Bangladesh to Pakistan during the 1980s and early 1990s. Between 2-3 million of them are currently residing illegally in Pakistan. Pakistan has tried to deport some of these immigrants, but Bangladesh has refused to accept them.

A few of them even want to go back. Why should Pakistan consider taking in any Biharis at all if Bangladesh is unwilling to take back their own citizens (ethnic Bengalis) who illegally migrated to Pakistan?

tribune.com.pk/story/460370/bengalis-afraid-of-losing-their-identity-and-rights/




Firstly, only those born after 1971 are eligible for citizenship. Any Biharis born before the war of 1971 are not. Because they are ineligible to obtain Bangladeshi citizenship, it's not surprising that some of them identify as Pakistani. What choice do they have? Offer them citizenship, and most would accept it.

More importantly though, even those eligible for citizenship (born after the war) are unable to obtain legal documents to prove their citizenship. This severely limits their options as "citizens" of the country.

"Despite a law introduced in 2008 that guarantees citizenship for Bihari refugees, they face serious obstacles to obtaining citizenship documents such as passports and birth certificates"

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2015/jul/05/dcs-asked-find-land-relocate-biharis

"One the first major issues dealt with by the paralegals was the passport application problem. Government officials still clung to the notion that passport applications using camp address would not comply with the legal requirements of the government. They also said that they have written instructions not to issue passports to Biharis.

The paralegals did the inquiry with the government officials on this problem. A petition with the Home Ministry asking for information on the issuance of passport to Biharis did not receive a response. But a right to information petition with the Information Commission resulted in the release by the Home Ministry of a six-page document on passport issuance. The Home Ministry released the document before a scheduled hearing of the Information Commission on the petition was held. The document confirmed that camp dwellers with national identity card could get passports. Armed with the Home Ministry document, the paralegals went back to assisting fellow Biharis re-apply for passports with the government office that rejected their applications earlier.

But some passport applications were rejected still on the same ground of camp address despite Home Ministry regulation to the contrary. Biharis filed a petition with the National Human Rights Commission of Bangladesh to protest this situation. The National Human Rights Commission of Bangladesh issued five letters to the Home Ministry since May 2015, but the Ministry has not sent any answer yet."

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html




Not true. Leaving the camps would mean leaving the only place where they have a roof over their heads. As utterly deplorable these camps are, they are still preferable to being homeless. Most would like to shift outside of these camps, but the government is dragging its feet on the issue. It has promised to provide them land to allow them to move out of these camps (as recently as 2015 by none other than Sheikh Hasina herself), but nothing has been done so far:

"In April this year, a delegation of the Biharis met PM Sheikh Hasina and she promised to shift them to suitable locations outside Dhaka."

"We are yet find suitable land outside Dhaka for shifting the Bihari camps,” he said.

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2015/jul/05/dcs-asked-find-land-relocate-biharis




"A serious allegation that comes from the youths inside the camps is that they highly suffer in finding suitable jobs, not because of a lack of qualifications, but because of the word “Camp.”

“I am pursuing BBA. One day I would like to work in a bank or in a reputed company. But the employers hesitate in recruiting us. For that many end up in jobs that are way below their. Like job of a receptionist or a teacher at any local kindergarten,” says Fatema.

Md Aftab Alam, 22, student of Northern University and resident of the same camp, says he went for an interview for a part-time job at a renowned retail outlet in the capital. However, immediately after realising he belongs to the so-called ‘Bihari’ community, the interviewer showed him the way out of the room. “Maybe I at least got the call because I mentioned my address as ‘Zakir Hossain Road, Mohammadpur’ not ‘Town Hall Bihari camp’,” says Aftab.

Both Fatema and Aftab claim the word ‘camp’ is like a blemish on their identity for running day-to-day activities smoothly. For any official purpose they put the address of any ‘Bangali’ friend or neighbour living near the camp."

“If our younger brothers go to the nearby field to play in the evening, they won’t be allowed in. The teams that come to play there would say, ‘you are stranded Pakistanis, why have you come here?’ After working or studying the whole day, the young people can’t even get a proper bathroom or go play in the field,” he adds.

When asked about his identity, he says: “We consider ourselves as Bangali, but unfortunately the Bangalis consider us as Biharis.”

"MD Sadeq, 18, studied in the Kaderia Madrasa nearby the camp up to class eight. He says: “We faced huge problems while getting admission in the madrasa. They said they would not admit any child from the camp. They said ‘you speak Urdu, you live inside the camp, what will you do by studying?'".

“If we cannot get a good job or education because of our address, then how would we be able to go outside the camp and make a better living?” they explain.

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2013/nov/01/generation-shadows




False. They are citizens of Bangladesh (if they were born after 1971) and must be treated as such per the Supreme Court of Bangladesh:

"As the court explained: 2

We do not think that only because of the concentration of Urdu speaking people, who were citizens of the [erstwhile] East Pakistan [in] the so called Geneva camp has attained any special status so as to be excluded from the operation of the laws of the land including the said President Order, the Electoral Rolls Ordinance, 1982 or the Citizenship Act, 1951. So mere residence of the first group of the petitioners at the Geneva Camp cannot be termed as allegiance to another state by conduct."

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html




False. They can, and still expect to be treated as citizens per the Supreme Court of Bangladesh:

"The Supreme Court cited its previous decisions to stress that one who applied for repatriation to Pakistan, or "even a diehard pro-Pakistani born in this country is entitled to be citizen of Bangladesh if he fulfills the requirements under Article 2 and is not disqualified under clause (1) of Article 2B." 3"

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html



Just because most Biharis are eligible for citizenship, does not mean that they have obtained it. Nor are they "choosing" to live in their camps. And they continue to face widespread discrimination in their country because they aren't truly considered Bangladeshi by many, if not most, Bengalis of the in the country.

@nilgiri @Arefin007 @hiptullha

Thank you for your response.

Your dissection of my post using emotive reporting was well done and I have no issues with your positioning and infact I agree with them.

To address your points. Absolutely correct that one does not need to be Bengali or support BD to be Bangladeshi citizen. Biharis migrated to east Pakistan. Following BD independence they would automatically achieve BD citizenship irrespective of their support or otherwise for independence of BD...... period.

Similarly ppl originating from east Pakistan residing in west Pakistan in 1971 was Pakistani citizens. If they remained so they would continue to retain PK citizenship. I am unfamiliar with migration of BD into PK post 1971 so can not comment.

In terms of equivalence between no of people in PK with BD origin and no of Bihari origin people in BD as far as I am concerned is irrelevant. Post 1971 who ever was physically settled where ever should have inherited citizenship of that country. There probably should have been a period where one could have chosen to move.

Biharis in BD are victims of circumstances, politics and bad fortune.

They have been offered BD citizenship to my understanding carte Blanche but they have to leave the camp. The children of those who continue to live in the camps were offered citizenship in subsequent years without needing to leave the camp. This was due to the realisation of the impracticality of assuming that camp residents can/will leave.

Undoubtedly as you report the passport officials are clueless and inefficient.... I am afraid it is a common trait of BD offialdom and not a deliberate policy of continued marginalisation.

Biharis in BD is not a big issue. I am not aware of any level of hostility towards them from the general populace and in a generation the issue will cease to be as the population of the camps will be composed solely of ppl born post 1971.

Unfortunately it is also because it is not a big issue and as they can not vote there is no political patronage or great urgency to affect a resolution.

I am not inclined to find the article but it is in the forum somewhere detailing internal Bihari politics that is also continuing to keep them marginalised.

Ultimately you can not force citizenship upon someone who does not want it. My overall impression is that notwithstanding the practical difficulties, uncooperative officialdom, lack of BD political will a lot of misfortune of the Biharis stems from their rejection of BD, continued insistence to relocate to Pakistan and Pakistans refusal to engage. In this respect BD is very much an uninterested bystander. The camps can not be forcefully closed, the people in it can not be forcefully moved.

There are many problems that BD faces that seems insurmountable but this is not one of them. One can only hope all concerned choose a fruitful future rather than hold on to a painful past. In this regard I for one would applaud GOB going the extra mile through whatever means to ease restrictions upon the camp and make the process of acquiring citizenship/papers easier.

 

[Major d1]

India- Bangladesh isn't bhai bhai. India is using bd as their own benefit. And india- bd isn't ally- some pets may be signed that doesn't mean it's ally. India is a foe state for Bangladesh.

 

[LA se Karachi]

To address your points. Absolutely correct that one does not need to be Bengali or support BD to be Bangladeshi citizen. Biharis migrated to east Pakistan. Following BD independence they would automatically achieve BD citizenship irrespective of their support or otherwise for independence of BD...... period.

Agreed. The Supreme Court of Bangladesh has also affirmed this.

Similarly ppl originating from east Pakistan residing in west Pakistan in 1971 was Pakistani citizens. If they remained so they would continue to retain PK citizenship. I am unfamiliar with migration of BD into PK post 1971 so can not comment.

Agreed. Though just to be clear, the vast majority of ethnic Bengalis currently residing in Pakistan came after 1974. There are far more of them in Pakistan than there are Biharis in Bangladesh.

http://tribune.com.pk/story/460370/bengalis-afraid-of-losing-their-identity-and-rights/

In terms of equivalence between no of people in PK with BD origin and no of Bihari origin people in BD as far as I am concerned is irrelevant. Post 1971 who ever was physically settled where ever should have inherited citizenship of that country. There probably should have been a period where one could have chosen to move.

There was in fact a large exchange of population between the two countries after the war. The vast majority of ethnic Bengalis left Pakistan, and less than 50,000 remained, I believe. Similarly, Pakistan took in many Biharis (though certainly not all).

But many (Bengali) Bangladeshis immigrated to the country in the 1980s and early 1990s for economic reasons. I only bring this up to make a point regarding the Biharis of Bangladesh who still want to come to Pakistan (a minority). Pakistan can in no way be expected to take any Biharis that remain in Bangladesh if Bangladesh is unwilling to do the same for its own citizens in Pakistan.

We'll have to agree to disagree on Pakistan not granting citizenship to those Bengalis that immigrated after 1974. I don't necessarily think it should. However, I fully accept those that were in the country before 1974, and so does the Government of Pakistan.

Biharis in BD are victims of circumstances, politics and bad fortune.

Agreed. Although I think that their perceived support for Pakistan during the 1971 war is a major factor too.

They have been offered BD citizenship to my understanding carte Blanche but they have to leave the camp. The children of those who continue to live in the camps were offered citizenship in subsequent years without needing to leave the camp. This was due to the realisation of the impracticality of assuming that camp residents can/will leave.

From what I can gather, there were no strings attached to becoming eligible for citizenship. From my understanding, the 2008 ruling made no mention of needing to move out of the camps as a prerequisite to obtaining citizenship. The Supreme Court has also affirmed this in its ruling that living in these camps did not mean that they had a "special status" nor were they not entitled to being treated like all other Bangladeshis and being afforded the same rights:

"We do not think that only because of the concentration of Urdu speaking people, who were citizens of the [erstwhile] East Pakistan [in] the so called Geneva camp has attained any special status so as to be excluded from the operation of the laws of the land including the said President Order, the Electoral Rolls Ordinance, 1982 or the Citizenship Act, 1951. So mere residence of the first group of the petitioners at the Geneva Camp cannot be termed as allegiance to another state by conduct."

And yes, it's impractical to require those living in the camps (about 250,000-300,000 people) to move out. They simply have nowhere else to go. Most would end up homeless. The government has promised to allot them land (and presumably housing on this land) so that they can move out once and for all. However, little has been done thus far, and I doubt that will change in the near future. Though I would be happy to be proved wrong.

Undoubtedly as you report the passport officials are clueless and inefficient.... I am afraid it is a common trait of BD offialdom and not a deliberate policy of continued marginalisation.

While I'm sure that's one of the reasons they are having trouble, I don't think it's the biggest one.

Ultimately you can not force citizenship upon someone who does not want it. My overall impression is that notwithstanding the practical difficulties, uncooperative officialdom, lack of BD political will a lot of misfortune of the Biharis stems from their rejection of BD, continued insistence to relocate to Pakistan and Pakistans refusal to engage. In this respect BD is very much an uninterested bystander.

On this, I have to disagree with you. They do want citizenship. Most of them anyway:

http://www.scientificjournals.org/journals2008/articles/1313.pdf


This particular poll was taken all the way back in 1993. And it includes Biharis of all ages (including the older ones not eligible for citizenship). The demographics have since changed in these camps. Nearly all of the younger Biharis, born in Bangladesh (not East Pakistan), consider themselves "Bangladeshi" and have no interest in being "repatriated" to Pakistan. As result, I'm sure the vast majority of those living the camps today want Bangladeshi citizenship. Especially after the 2008 ruling that made them officially eligible for Bangladeshi citizenship. All of the articles I've read on the issue these past few years also seem to suggest this.

Yet, it seems like only a fraction of those eligible for citizenship have received it. If the government was serious about resolving the issue, it would go into these camps and set up permanent structures and procedures for providing legal documents to those living there, and to the newborns born in the community everyday.

The issue seems to be actually obtaining documents:

"In one report, a city government rejected fifty-three applications for birth registration due to varying reasons including lack of proof of residence in an area (many cannot use electricity bills as proof of residence because they have no electricity supply) and internal instructions not to issue birth certificates to “non-Bengalis.” However, other city governments have issued birth certificates to almost all applications by camp dwellers. This shows the lack of enforcement of the 2008 Supreme Court decision by some officials of the government.


In the case of passport applications, many were rejected on the ground of lack of residential address; “camp address” being considered as improper residential address. The governmental officials also say that they have written instructions not to issue passports to the Biharis. However, even after obtaining an official document from the Home Ministry indicating that Biharis were qualified to secure passports, some applicants still failed to have their passport applications approved.

But some passport applications were rejected still on the same ground of camp address despite Home Ministry regulation to the contrary. Biharis filed a petition with the National Human Rights Commission of Bangladesh to protest this situation. The National Human Rights Commission of Bangladesh issued five letters to the Home Ministry since May 2015, but the Ministry has not sent any answer yet."

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html

The camps can not be forcefully closed, the people in it can not be forcefully moved.

Agreed. Nor should they be.

There are many problems that BD faces that seems insurmountable but this is not one of them. One can only hope all concerned choose a fruitful future rather than hold on to a painful past. In this regard I for one would applaud GOB going the extra mile through whatever means to ease restrictions upon the camp and make the process of acquiring citizenship/papers easier.

I agree wholeheartedly. We will see what happens.

 

[Al-zakir]

Its hard to speculate at thus point. Hasina is getting old. So she won't be here forever. After that I think parties will break down and who knows what will happen. That being said, I don't see Khaleda Zia coming to power again. And Hasina's top priority is the destruction of Zamaat. So I doubt they will be able rise anytime soon.

Don't know about BNP but Jamat is not family oriented party like BNP or Awami. It's based on Islamic ideology. So long there are Muslim in BD, jamat is not going to die out any time soon. Allahu alam.

 

[Mage]

Hasina has declared that she will stay in power until 2042. I do not know who foretold her long life. After her, Rehana or Joy will be brought to the scene. Rehana accompanies the PM when she visits some of the foreign countries.

The thing is Rehana is getting old too. And she does not have that much influence over Awami League. She does have some influence but not enough to control the whole party, I think. Same with Joy. He doesn't have control over the party. Hasina has made a postilion where she can control everything in AL and the other coalition parties too. Hasina has complete backing of AL leaders and supporters as well as the left wing leaders and supporters. I just don't see Joy having all these right after Hasina's end. It took Hasina a long time to gain complete control over AL. Even in the caretaker regime many of her party's senior members turned their back on her. After she came back, she doesn't really depend on AL instead AL depends on her. She actually prefers leftists over AL leaders to handle major ministries.

Don't know about BNP but Jamat is not family oriented party like BNP or Awami. It's based on Islamic ideology. So long there are Muslim in BD, jamat is not going to die out any time soon. Allahu alam.

Assalamu alaikum.

Jamaat is probably the most disciplined party in Bangladesh. But they are not big enough. They need some bigger party's assistance to come to power. Jamaat needs BNP now. And although you people forgot it completely, Jamaat were AL's ally in the past too. Easy to forget these things, huh?

Anyway, I agree that Jamat is not going to die. But their influence is decreasing every year. New leaderships are coming and that might lead to ideological changes too. Nothing unIslamic but maybe strategic and political change. Let's hope that whatever happens, happens for the best of Bangladesh.

 

[bluesky]

India needs BD cooperation for its connectivity with the NE, and with Burma. Indians regularly love to claim India surrounds BD by threed sides. But, the reality is India itself is effectively separated into two lands by BD. India is unable to contain a flammable situation in its NE unless BD cooperates.

So, a Hindi-Bangla Bhai-Bhai relationship helps India. But not BD.

 

[Nilgiri]

So, a Hindi-Bangla Bhai-Bhai relationship helps India. But not BD.

It helps BD out a lot in that BD gets to survive and exist.

Don't focus on the grass when there is a forest.

 

[Al-zakir]

Assalamu alaikum.

Jamaat is probably the most disciplined party in Bangladesh. But they are not big enough. They need some bigger party's assistance to come to power. Jamaat needs BNP now. And although you people forgot it completely, Jamaat were AL's ally in the past too. Easy to forget these things, huh?

Anyway, I agree that Jamat is not going to die. But their influence is decreasing every year. New leaderships are coming and that might lead to ideological changes too. Nothing unIslamic but maybe strategic and political change. Let's hope that whatever happens, happens for the best of Bangladesh.

Walikum Salam,

I have Maulana Nizami's picture in my avatar because I believe he and other were murder by Awami league illegally. He and other would not Face so called war crime tribunal if they had preserved affiliation with Awami instead of BNP.

As a believer, I believe if they were innocent then they will be rewarded here and afterlife and evail forces will face the wrath of almighty one way or other. Look at what's happening to Hasina's next generation. They are leaving Islam for other religion. I see death of Awami after Hasina anyway.

BNP has a chance to survive so long Tarek Zia still out there. It can not be said for Awami leauge as I mentioned above.

I am not affiliated with Jamat politics as I neither have time nor opportunity where I currently reside. It's up to Jamat to fix their strategy. I'm sure they thought of something.

 

[Mage]

Walikum Salam,

I have Maulana Nizami's picture in my avatar because I believe he and other were murder by Awami league illegally. He and other would not Face so called war crime tribunal if they had preserved affiliation with Awami instead of BNP.

As a believer, I believe if they were innocent then they will be rewarded here and afterlife and evail forces will face the wrath of almighty one way or other. Look at what's happening to Hasina's next generation. They are leaving Islam for other religion. I see death of Awami after Hasina anyway.

BNP has a chance to survive so long Tarek Zia still out there. It can not be said for Awami leauge as I mentioned above.

I am not affiliated with Jamat politics as I nether have time nor opportunity where I currently reside. It's up to Jamat to fix their strategy. I'm sure they thought of something.

Hasina wanted to weaken her rivals and so had them hanged. While I do think many of them may have commited war crimes, but it was many years ago. And hard to prove crimes after 40 years. But things were predetermined. Had Jamaat been an ally of AL like they were in 1991 their leaders wouldn't have meet this fate. So yeah, Jamaat leaders are very much responsible for what happened. Their decisions went on to haunt them after many years. Had Hitler won WW2, he would've been remembered as a hero. This is life. If your present decision fucks you up in the future only you're responsible. Had Jamaat remained AL's ally they would be much better off. Had they never been AL ally and always stayed with BNP then also they wouldn't end up this way. As caretaker system wouldn't be in place so BNP would go on to do what AL us doing now. But those morons had to switch sides overtime to end up in their graves.

Politics is a dirty game. Bad decisions here rarely go without consequences.

 

[Zabaniyah]

Hasina wanted to weaken her rivals and so had them hanged. While I do think many of them may have commited war crimes, but it was many years ago. And hard to prove crimes after 40 years. But things were predetermined. Had Jamaat been an ally of AL like they were in 1991 their leaders wouldn't have meet this fate. So yeah, Jamaat leaders are very much responsible for what happened. Their decisions went on to haunt them after many years. Had Hitler won WW2, he would've been remembered as a hero. This is life. If your present decision fucks you up in the future only you're responsible. Had Jamaat remained AL's ally they would be much better off. Had they never been AL ally and always stayed with BNP then also they wouldn't end up this way. As caretaker system wouldn't be in place so BNP would go on to do what AL us doing now. But those morons had to switch sides overtime to end up in their graves.

Politics is a dirty game. Bad decisions here rarely go without consequences.

The BNP had a lot of money back then. The AL wasn't so lucky though. As of this moment, many of the ex-BNP bigwigs are all AL all of the sudden. Money talks

I think the idea of violence was a problem to begin with. If they threw out MP's suspected of violence, our country would have been much better off.

Another thing is that Khaleda Zia never read intelligence reports. The early years of the post-9/11 era was a very sensitive period. They used that sentiment to their advantage all the way. They were thorough.

And last, but not the least, there is a genuine decline in moral and social values (including Islamic ones). This is prevalent in village areas in particular @Al-zakir

 

[Mage]

Another thing is that Khaleda Zia never read intelligence reports. The early years of the post-9/11 era was a very sensitive period. They used that sentiment to their advantage all the way. They were thorough.

I'd blame 9/11 on BNP too

Gen.Moeen was pro BNP officer. He became army chief under Khaleda's regime. Same with Fakhruddin. Just after Khaleda came to power, Fakhruddin was made Bangladesh Bank's governor. If they turn their back on BNP then whose fault it is?

 

[knight errant]

Bhai-Bhai is only for their own business.

 

[Zabaniyah]

I'd blame 9/11 on BNP too

Gen.Moeen was pro BNP officer. He became army chief under Khaleda's regime. Same with Fakhruddin. Just after Khaleda came to power, Fakhruddin was made Bangladesh Bank's governor. If they turn their back on BNP then whose fault it is?

The BNP had their faults, no doubt. But does that mean to betray one's country? Those men are traitors and deserve to be treated as such. Like hawa-bhobon, they have made outrageous levels of money for themselves while they were at it.

****ing glory-hounds....

 

[kobiraaz]

I'd blame 9/11 on BNP too

Gen.Moeen was pro BNP officer. He became army chief under Khaleda's regime. Same with Fakhruddin. Just after Khaleda came to power, Fakhruddin was made Bangladesh Bank's governor. If they turn their back on BNP then whose fault it is?

You mean 1/11