Hindi-Bangla bhai-bhai: How Dhaka became India's most important ally in the subcontinent

[bluesky]

80 percent Bangladeshi hate india to extreme to some extent and it is a fact.

And 100% of the Nepalese hate anything India and Indians. If this is so, then my question is which country loves India?

 

[kobiraaz]

And 100% of the Nepalese hate anything India and Indians. If this is so, then my question is which country loves India?

All Kind of Islamophobes Such as Trump or Israelis, Burmese.

 

[dray]

Moreover your profile picture, doesn't reflect our muslim identity,rather a west bengali hindu culture.

@kobiraaz hmm.....!!

No you're not Bengali, rather a useless Babu from the other side waiting to be overrun by marwaris and other ethnic groups with no significant contribution to this union called "India" in this day & age. Don't embarass us by calling yourself Bengali because you are just another chomcha trying to fit in with the people of Hindi belt. Religion doesn't change the fact that we're Bengali however we know our priorities and that isn't being Bengali. Your primitive idea will not work well with the people of BD we know no geographic boundaries regardless of his creed, colour a Muslim is a Muslim and a Chomcha paan chomping babu will always be a joey.

You are a sylheti, sylhetis don't consider themselves Bengalis, they don't even speak Bengali. Stop blabbering nonsense.

ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS BEHIND HIS BRUTAL ASSASSINATION.
NOW YOU ARE SLOWLY LEARNING.
YOUR WIDER VISION ,AT THIS MOMENT OF TIME, IS NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE. PROBABLY NOT IN MY LIFETIME, HOWEVER , DONT LOSE HOPE, YOUR GENERATION SHOULD BE MENTALLY PREPARED,
REMEMBER STRIKE WHEN THE IRON IS HOT.
WE HAVE SUFFICIENT STOCKPILE OF WEAPONS KEPT IN RESERVE . MEANT TO CATER FOR ALL YOUR NEEDS. SALAM. AND GOOD MORNING IN DHAKA, NOW WE SHOULD SLEEP,

Don't give such false hope to younger Bangladeshis, Bangladesh cannot take parts of our country by any means, military or otherwise, ever..

And 100% of the Nepalese hate anything India and Indians. If this is so, then my question is which country loves India?

An uninformed stupid comment.

 

[Nilgiri]

An uninformed stupid comment.

He is bitter that where he is (Japan) there is much pro-India sentiment.

Whereas when anyone there is asked about BD...first response is "what is that? Is it part of India?"

63% favourable rating for India among Japanese for 2014.

I guess they are another one of the "all kinds of islamophobes".

I guess Indonesia is another "Islamophobe" country given it has 62% favourable rating for India. @madokafc

But then only BBS statistics are to be believed by the world, everything else is an anti-BD conspiracy.

 

[bluesky]

So the 70% that are favourable to India do not necessarily have that as an exclusive be all end all kind of thing. Same goes for the 30% not favourable to it....a few exceptions will exist on both sides.

Please do not get swayed by what @kobiraaz said in his post. In reality, some people may like Hasina, but they would dislike India. Hasina is more disliked because she likes to play with the Indian tune. At least people think she is liked by India, which is a negative factor for her and Awami League.

 

[Nilgiri]

Please do not get swayed by what @kobiraaz said in his post. In reality, some people may like Hasina, but they would dislike India. Hasina is more disliked because she likes to play with the Indian tune. At least people think she is liked by India, which is a negative factor for her and Awami League.

I have learned to not give a damn about what is said on this subforum, it is not reflective of BD public and never will be by the very nature of what it is....and who it will attract.

The interactions now are solely to present information to any observers and also to crush certain trolls when needed.

 

[kobiraaz]

I have learned to not give a damn about what is said on this subforum, it is not reflective of BD public and never will be by the very nature of what it is....and who it will attract.

The interactions now are solely to present information to any observers and also to crush certain trolls when needed.

You waste too much time in Bangladesh forum while No Bangladeshis care about Southern India. Heck I understand the difference between a Northmen and Celts, Aztecs and Mayans. But Tamils or Keralites all are same to me, Negligible south Indians far from Delhi and Hindi Speaking Rulers.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

70 percent Bangladeshi like India is the biggest bullshit. I don't know how pew got that number or whom they asked what question.Question on same subject with different wording always results on different result.In another recent poll Bangladeshi people found to be the second most disliker of India after Pakistan.Anyone can agree with this poll.I also don't think 76 percent Bangladeshi like USA, at least not US policy.

 

[wiseone2]

Bangladesh = Bangla

There is no Bangla in India, Kashmir Se Kolkata everything is India..

West bengal should be different from rest of India

 

[Nilgiri]

You waste too much time in Bangladesh forum while No Bangladeshis care about Southern India. Heck I understand the difference between a Northmen and Celts, Aztecs and Mayans. But Tamils or Keralites all are same to me, Negligible south Indians far from Delhi and Hindi Speaking Rulers.

Yes speak in absolutes while wondering why no one in the world knows about Bangladesh to begin with. What is there to know about past it being a sweatshop basket case owned by India (if people even care to know that)?

This subforum is very reflective of that. There is no harm in showing and reinforcing any passing neutral eyes that yes their assumptions about BD (if they had any) are all correct. If they do not have any assumptions/impressions to go on, well let this subforum be a good first one for them to focus on other countries that matter.

Rest of the BD riffraff can continue their eternal hate of each other (BAL-BNP-Jamati mud wrestling with dubious mud) and provide good amusement for everyone else. If only that can be monetized instead of having to rely solely on cheap underwear production, maybe BD can graduate from being a LDC.

What an ignorant person from this basket case LDC thinks about people's differences outside his swamp bears no relevance to anything that matters in the world. At best the highlight of his life will be visiting India to see if the soap operas he watches all day are true. Its a drab, pitiful existence in a morass of ignorant nobodies. Then people wonder how 70% of them are so gullible to be favourable to India while India shoots their lot daily and is looking to push a good number back to where they came from in the coming years....all while being oblivious to being controlled by a dhobi lady stooge. Its your nature.....which will always be there:

Same mindset that ends up with slave mentality PM's and little girls that wail in cricket matches.

you were slaves you are slaves and you will remain slaves .

Rather than accepting they have this problem in their nature, they question and attack the messenger (like the pew survey)....or calling people psychopaths while dealing with their profession being totally non-respected/trusted by their own population (leading to them to flee to reputable non-LDC India instead). The butthurt stemming from that is quite palpable.

After all it is amply illustrated by you criticizing someone of having a BD obsession, when the much larger India obsession of this entire subforum is quite naked and bare to see for everyone.

Now shoo and stitch up your torn lungi.

@django @Rain Man

 

[Species]

Yes speak in absolutes while wondering why no one in the world knows about Bangladesh to begin with. What is there to know about past it being a sweatshop basket case owned by India (if people even care to know that)?

This subforum is very reflective of that. There is no harm in showing and reinforcing any passing neutral eyes that yes their assumptions about BD (if they had any) are all correct. If they do not have any assumptions/impressions to go on, well let this subforum be a good first one for them to focus on other countries that matter.

Rest of the BD riffraff can continue their eternal hate of each other (BAL-BNP-Jamati mud wrestling with dubious mud) and provide good amusement for everyone else. If only that can be monetized instead of having to rely solely on cheap underwear production, maybe BD can graduate from being a LDC.

What an ignorant person from this basket case LDC thinks about people's differences outside his swamp bears no relevance to anything that matters in the world. At best the highlight of his life will be visiting India to see if the soap operas he watches all day are true. Its a drab, pitiful existence in a morass of ignorant nobodies. Then people wonder how 70% of them are so gullible to be favourable to India while India shoots their lot daily and is looking to push a good number back to where they came from in the coming years....all while being oblivious to being controlled by a dhobi lady stooge. Its your nature.....which will always be there:





Rather than accepting they have this problem in their nature, they question and attack the messenger (like the pew survey)....or calling people psychopaths while dealing with their profession being totally non-respected/trusted by their own population (leading to them to flee to reputable non-LDC India instead). The butthurt stemming from that is quite palpable.

After all it is amply illustrated by you criticizing someone of having a BD obsession, when the much larger India obsession of this entire subforum is quite naked and bare to see for everyone.

Now shoo and stitch up your torn lungi.

@django @Rain Man

Now I understand why South Indians are known as Rakshasa (monsters) by the rest of India. You have repeated these same bullshit for God knows how many times. You are one heck of an annoying person, should better get a life! Though, getting a girl would be next to impossible for you due to your rocking South Indian looks.

 

[Saiful Islam]

I have learned to not give a damn about what is said on this subforum, it is not reflective of BD public and never will be by the very nature of what it is....and who it will attract.

The interactions now are solely to present information to any observers and also to crush certain trolls when needed.

Bit of a hypocrite aren't you. You recycle the same rhetoric & saying that you don't give a damn about this forum is far from the truth now ey, you practically live on this forum.

 

[bluesky]

I have learned to not give a damn about what is said on this subforum, it is not reflective of BD public and never will be by the very nature of what it is....and who it will attract.

The interactions now are solely to present information to any observers and also to crush certain trolls when needed.

I truly accept what you said. But, please refrain from sending and do not believe in all those gall up polls that say certain percentage of BD people love India. It is absurd, because Indian continuous meddling in our internal politics is making India unpopular.

 

[Nilgiri]

I truly accept what you said. But, please refrain from sending and do not believe in all those gall up polls that say certain percentage of BD people love India. It is absurd, because Indian continuous meddling in our internal politics is making India unpopular.

I will put out whatever polls and surveys are out there by neutral parties. Since I cannot trust any other source, esp this forum.

People can agree to disagree if they don't like whats put out there.

 

[LA se Karachi]

You're a good poster, and I appreciate that. But, with all due respect, this particular post is inaccurate and misleading.

Post 1971 Biharis faced backlash for their support for the military. They were displaced and put into camps awaiting repatriation to west Pakistan.

Most of them did support the military. But not all did.

After the war was over, not all demanded to be repatriated to Pakistan. Most did not, in fact. And before the war, many did not hold favorable views of West Pakistan.

Pakistan do not want them and have abandoned them.

Pakistan took in many Biharis after the war. However, many Bengalis immigrated illegally from Bangladesh to Pakistan during the 1980s and early 1990s. Between 2-3 million of them are currently residing illegally in Pakistan. Pakistan has tried to deport some of these immigrants, but Bangladesh has refused to accept them.

A few of them even want to go back. Why should Pakistan consider taking in any Biharis at all if Bangladesh is unwilling to take back their own citizens (ethnic Bengalis) who illegally migrated to Pakistan?

tribune.com.pk/story/460370/bengalis-afraid-of-losing-their-identity-and-rights/

BD has given them the opportunity to become citizen and live freely. It can offer no more. Many Biharis have taken the opportunity and hopefully in a few years the issue will be no more.

Firstly, only those born after 1971 are eligible for citizenship. Any Biharis born before the war of 1971 are not. Because they are ineligible to obtain Bangladeshi citizenship, it's not surprising that some of them identify as Pakistani. What choice do they have? Offer them citizenship, and most would accept it.

More importantly though, even those eligible for citizenship (born after the war) are unable to obtain legal documents to prove their citizenship. This severely limits their options as "citizens" of the country.

"Despite a law introduced in 2008 that guarantees citizenship for Bihari refugees, they face serious obstacles to obtaining citizenship documents such as passports and birth certificates"

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2015/jul/05/dcs-asked-find-land-relocate-biharis

"One the first major issues dealt with by the paralegals was the passport application problem. Government officials still clung to the notion that passport applications using camp address would not comply with the legal requirements of the government. They also said that they have written instructions not to issue passports to Biharis.

The paralegals did the inquiry with the government officials on this problem. A petition with the Home Ministry asking for information on the issuance of passport to Biharis did not receive a response. But a right to information petition with the Information Commission resulted in the release by the Home Ministry of a six-page document on passport issuance. The Home Ministry released the document before a scheduled hearing of the Information Commission on the petition was held. The document confirmed that camp dwellers with national identity card could get passports. Armed with the Home Ministry document, the paralegals went back to assisting fellow Biharis re-apply for passports with the government office that rejected their applications earlier.

But some passport applications were rejected still on the same ground of camp address despite Home Ministry regulation to the contrary. Biharis filed a petition with the National Human Rights Commission of Bangladesh to protest this situation. The National Human Rights Commission of Bangladesh issued five letters to the Home Ministry since May 2015, but the Ministry has not sent any answer yet."

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html

Others continue to remain in the UN run camps and are campaigning for return to Pakistan.

What you see as poor condition is true. BD government do not allow camp facilities to become a permanent structures. UN camps are supposed to be temporary, the people in it are choosing not to accept BD citizenship which will require them to move out of the camps and join normal society.

Not true. Leaving the camps would mean leaving the only place where they have a roof over their heads. As utterly deplorable these camps are, they are still preferable to being homeless. Most would like to shift outside of these camps, but the government is dragging its feet on the issue. It has promised to provide them land to allow them to move out of these camps (as recently as 2015 by none other than Sheikh Hasina herself), but nothing has been done so far:

"In April this year, a delegation of the Biharis met PM Sheikh Hasina and she promised to shift them to suitable locations outside Dhaka."

"We are yet find suitable land outside Dhaka for shifting the Bihari camps,” he said.

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2015/jul/05/dcs-asked-find-land-relocate-biharis

The situation is not the case that the Biharis are discriminated against and they are forced to live in the camps.

"A serious allegation that comes from the youths inside the camps is that they highly suffer in finding suitable jobs, not because of a lack of qualifications, but because of the word “Camp.”

“I am pursuing BBA. One day I would like to work in a bank or in a reputed company. But the employers hesitate in recruiting us. For that many end up in jobs that are way below their. Like job of a receptionist or a teacher at any local kindergarten,” says Fatema.

Md Aftab Alam, 22, student of Northern University and resident of the same camp, says he went for an interview for a part-time job at a renowned retail outlet in the capital. However, immediately after realising he belongs to the so-called ‘Bihari’ community, the interviewer showed him the way out of the room. “Maybe I at least got the call because I mentioned my address as ‘Zakir Hossain Road, Mohammadpur’ not ‘Town Hall Bihari camp’,” says Aftab.

Both Fatema and Aftab claim the word ‘camp’ is like a blemish on their identity for running day-to-day activities smoothly. For any official purpose they put the address of any ‘Bangali’ friend or neighbour living near the camp."

“If our younger brothers go to the nearby field to play in the evening, they won’t be allowed in. The teams that come to play there would say, ‘you are stranded Pakistanis, why have you come here?’ After working or studying the whole day, the young people can’t even get a proper bathroom or go play in the field,” he adds.

When asked about his identity, he says: “We consider ourselves as Bangali, but unfortunately the Bangalis consider us as Biharis.”

"MD Sadeq, 18, studied in the Kaderia Madrasa nearby the camp up to class eight. He says: “We faced huge problems while getting admission in the madrasa. They said they would not admit any child from the camp. They said ‘you speak Urdu, you live inside the camp, what will you do by studying?'".

“If we cannot get a good job or education because of our address, then how would we be able to go outside the camp and make a better living?” they explain.

http://archive.dhakatribune.com/bangladesh/2013/nov/01/generation-shadows

Biharis are not second class citizen, they are either citizen and living as a Bangladeshi away from the camps or are not citizens and living in refugee camps awaiting to go to Pakistan. For the later BD has no duty of care.

False. They are citizens of Bangladesh (if they were born after 1971) and must be treated as such per the Supreme Court of Bangladesh:

"As the court explained: 2

We do not think that only because of the concentration of Urdu speaking people, who were citizens of the [erstwhile] East Pakistan [in] the so called Geneva camp has attained any special status so as to be excluded from the operation of the laws of the land including the said President Order, the Electoral Rolls Ordinance, 1982 or the Citizenship Act, 1951. So mere residence of the first group of the petitioners at the Geneva Camp cannot be termed as allegiance to another state by conduct."

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html

You can not reject BD and expect to be treated as a citizen period.

False. They can, and still expect to be treated as citizens per the Supreme Court of Bangladesh:

"The Supreme Court cited its previous decisions to stress that one who applied for repatriation to Pakistan, or "even a diehard pro-Pakistani born in this country is entitled to be citizen of Bangladesh if he fulfills the requirements under Article 2 and is not disqualified under clause (1) of Article 2B." 3"

http://www.hurights.or.jp/archives/...haris-on-becoming-citizens-of-bangladesh.html

BD have offered citizenship to biharis in subsequent years and many have accepted it and they are integrated into BD society whilst retaining their Bihari identity.

Just because most Biharis are eligible for citizenship, does not mean that they have obtained it. Nor are they "choosing" to live in their camps. And they continue to face widespread discrimination in their country because they aren't truly considered Bangladeshi by many, if not most, Bengalis of the in the country.

@nilgiri @Arefin007 @hiptullha