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Hina Rabbani Khar 'Beautifully' Defends Pakistan's Case In front of Eloquent Shashi Taroor On The T

Okay effort by her, but I don't think she handled it the way she should've. She did not need to cower that way and quasi-admit things that there is no evidence for... saying things like "we WERE like that" is NOT the right argument. Indiot cockroach was talking out of his @$$, but she was being a bit too much of an apologist.

She did have decent composure, and was more eloquent than that indiot, but she had no posture. The indiot was denying the RAW (yadav or whatever his name is) agent as being a member... he was saying "we have no evidence"... whereas she didn't even bother to say the same about "support of militants".

She was too apologetic, and "admitting" things she shouldn't have. It's unfortunate that I'm not dictating how she should've prepared to her. It's also unfortunate that this wasn't already something they knew of beforehand...

Why do you deny your involvement in the insurgency in Kashmir?? At least she was honest and apologetic about your involvement. Probably she knows more about it than you would care to know.

Bottom line is that we don't want the Kashmir problem solved ever. And you guys want to fire the fuel and keep the low scale insurgency going in Kashmir. You don't want to go for an all out war with India for your objectives.

World after 9/11 is not going to support your efforts in your involvement in Kashmir.

Those are the facts that we are all aware but we like to fudge around it.
 
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I quite like Shashi Tharoor, he is usually very sane and impressive with the depth of his analysis which he delivers quite well.

On the subject of Pakistan though, especially in this interview, he seems thoroughly disappointing. The whole purpose of the type of questions the host was asking was to steer both to talk about areas of agreement, mutual understanding, and reflection on the roles both countries have played. Hina responded by fully admitting the mistakes made by the Pakistani state as she saw them, and very openly criticised the role Pakistan has had in worsening or at least not improving relations.

Shashi's opinions weren't at all interesting though, he refused to acknowledge much wrongdoing on the part of the Indian government and security forces in Kashmir, citing Pakistan as the only reason for not only violence, but also the internal movement in Kashmir which he has conveniently not spoken about. I believe he is sincere in saying he wants to see matters peacefully resolved, but I do not appreciate what I perceive to be a double standard on his part, which is to level accusations at Pakistan for its role in sponsoring trouble in Kashmir, while not even once speaking about internal movements in Kashmir that are motivated by Indian policy which is often nothing to do with Pakistan. He also applies this double standard more broadly, again he rightly accuses Pakistan of sponsoring violence in India, yet won't even entertain the notion that India has ever done the same or still does through Afghanistan.

He's too smart to not know any of this, only a fool would believe exactly as he claims to believe. If I give him the benefit of the doubt, at best I can determine that perhaps he is taking this line of denial on a neutral venue but is fully aware of the reality in Kashmir and in bilateral relations more broadly. And Hina to her credit pointed out in the beginning that the current state and civilian leaders of Pakistan are steering Pakistan in the right direction, whereas she feels the opposite is gaining momentum in India, and she goes on to display this when she speaks openly about the mistakes made on Pakistan's part and in other criticism of our own policy, while Shashi refused to do the same for Indian policy.

I would also add that Shashi's thoughts on achieving peace in Kashmir are quite unsophisticated in my opinion. He talks about peace as if it solely in the hands of Pakistan, and I'm sorry, if that's the case, then India is truly lost in Kashmir. His opinions on Kashmir paint a very odd picture, and aren't at all in line with reality, according to him, and I am not strawmanning him here: India is the victim of state sponsored terror in Pakistan, there is no conflict local to Kashmir, and Indian security forces are not responsible for any repression of Kashmiris, and Indian policy in Kashmir bears no role in bringing about peace since it is already good enough and has never added to hostilities, oh and Pakistan's use of covert means of destabilising India are completely unilateral, while India's intentions and actions with respect to Pakistan are wholly benevolent.

And as for peace being achieved if Pakistan and locals switch off all hostilities unilaterally, I can say and I'm sure he knows this, that there are perhaps none, or maybe only very few conflicts in history in which peace is achieved in this way. In Northern Ireland, peace talks and a decade long peace process allowed for a gradual end to the conflicts, starting first with an end to the violence and then to eventual hostilities that remained. He may not realise it, but he is also portraying India as an inept state that is completely helpless and has no capacity to restore order within its own borders, it's all Pakistan's fault. An absurdity that is unbecoming of a man of his intelligence.

He becomes very liberal and leftist when the topic of post colonialism and the wrongs of former imperial powers like the UK pop up. However his hypocrisy becomes clearly evident once clear similarities are presented between British colonial rule in South Asia and India's rule in Kashmir, at which point he goes hard right and refuses to aknowledge or seekes to undermine this evidence. He does the same in this show making flimsy counter arguments when Hasan points out the atrocities Indian armed forces have committed in Kashmir.
 
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This hypocritical swine Tharoor is constantly whining about British atrocities in British India yet seems to go deaf about all the human rights abuses perpetrated by Gangadeshi forces against the people of Kashmir, he conveniently laughs off at the well documented mass rapes by Indian army corroborated by independent foreign NGOs such as amnesty yet is demanding reparations from Brits for ruining the Textile industry of British created India lol, in my opinion he should be thankful to the Brits, because if the Brits would not have made their way into South Asia then their would not have been a India PERIOD....In regards to Hina, initially I was skeptical about her yet the more I have seen of her, the more impressed I have become, she handled her self very well indeed against a masterful propagandist and charlatan like "Shashi hypocrite Tharoor" .Kudos

spoken as the truly ill-informed Pakistani struggling to figure out why India is able to and Pakistan is unable to grow and flourish. For example, Tharoor has spoken and written a lot about the people of Kashmir and how they were forcibly driven out by the muslim extremists. NGOs - foreign or domestic are not given free run because many of them have abused the privileges extended to them in the past - it is called law & order. Your opinion about what he should be thankful for is reflective only of your misinformation and defective thought process.
 
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This man would go as far as to blame Pakistan for Sikh uprising in 84. When his wife died Indian media blamed a Pakistani female news reporter accusing her of being an ISI agent and having an affair with this uloo who both plotted to kill his wife.
 
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spoken as the truly ill-informed Pakistani struggling to figure out why India is able to and Pakistan is unable to grow and flourish. For example, Tharoor has spoken and written a lot about the people of Kashmir and how they were forcibly driven out by the muslim extremists. NGOs - foreign or domestic are not given free run because many of them have abused the privileges extended to them in the past - it is called law & order. Your opinion about what he should be thankful for is reflective only of your misinformation and defective thought process.
India flourishing....I stopped reading after i saw that absurd comment:lol:
 
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She was PPP FM between 2008-13, her being apologetic doesn't surprise me. They cry about army 24/7. Average Pakistani isn't apologetic about what ever support Kashmiris have received since 1947. There is a reason Indian tv asked her for interview and not someone else who represent Pakistan view.

Her grand father said he will come on tanks of India to fight Pak army. She's no body now since PPP have completely lost relevance in punjab.
 
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Tharoor was just regurgitating the same policy lines various Indian govts have been parroting over the years.

He loses massive credibility as a scholar and historian and as a harbinger of truth when he blames the pakistan military, yet chooses to ignore the gross violence perpetrated by repeated Indian govts. Not once did he acknowledge Indian faults which clearly the world over knows Indians have played their part in formenting violence and terrorism in pakistan or the atrocities on kashmiris and muslims in India.

The guy failed miserably, lost a lot of credibility. Khar in my view was more conciliatory, reasoned, criticised pakistan policy which she felt was wrong. The problem is and has always been that India is not interested in peace or negotiations vis a vis kashmir which begs the question do we have any other problem with India? Clearly not, kashmir is the only problem or the elephant in the room. So is there really any point in these discussions?
 
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Idiot, when Sashi Tharor spoke about British exploitation of India, he spoke on behalf of even Pakistan and Bangladesh, not just present India
we dont need your people to speak on our behalf , dumbass

You can't lynch any Hindu or a Sikh in Pakistan because most of them have already flees your country. Pakistan committed mass genocide in East Pakistan, there only fault, they spoke a different language. Now you are killing Shias.
your own people are leaving your country in large numbers because people like you have made the place so stinky courtesy of the daily 'surgical strikes' on road
 
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India flourishing....I stopped reading after i saw that absurd comment:lol:

It's called envy. Take a couple of aspirins before each episode, you'll feel better equipped to handle truth and may even get thru a full point.
 
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