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Hina Rabbani Khar 'Beautifully' Defends Pakistan's Case In front of Eloquent Shashi Taroor On The T

I quite like Shashi Tharoor, he is usually very sane and impressive with the depth of his analysis which he delivers quite well.

On the subject of Pakistan though, especially in this interview, he seems thoroughly disappointing. The whole purpose of the type of questions the host was asking was to steer both to talk about areas of agreement, mutual understanding, and reflection on the roles both countries have played. Hina responded by fully admitting the mistakes made by the Pakistani state as she saw them, and very openly criticised the role Pakistan has had in worsening or at least not improving relations.

Shashi's opinions weren't at all interesting though, he refused to acknowledge much wrongdoing on the part of the Indian government and security forces in Kashmir, citing Pakistan as the only reason for not only violence, but also the internal movement in Kashmir which he has conveniently not spoken about. I believe he is sincere in saying he wants to see matters peacefully resolved, but I do not appreciate what I perceive to be a double standard on his part, which is to level accusations at Pakistan for its role in sponsoring trouble in Kashmir, while not even once speaking about internal movements in Kashmir that are motivated by Indian policy which is often nothing to do with Pakistan. He also applies this double standard more broadly, again he rightly accuses Pakistan of sponsoring violence in India, yet won't even entertain the notion that India has ever done the same or still does through Afghanistan.

He's too smart to not know any of this, only a fool would believe exactly as he claims to believe. If I give him the benefit of the doubt, at best I can determine that perhaps he is taking this line of denial on a neutral venue but is fully aware of the reality in Kashmir and in bilateral relations more broadly. And Hina to her credit pointed out in the beginning that the current state and civilian leaders of Pakistan are steering Pakistan in the right direction, whereas she feels the opposite is gaining momentum in India, and she goes on to display this when she speaks openly about the mistakes made on Pakistan's part and in other criticism of our own policy, while Shashi refused to do the same for Indian policy.

I would also add that Shashi's thoughts on achieving peace in Kashmir are quite unsophisticated in my opinion. He talks about peace as if it solely in the hands of Pakistan, and I'm sorry, if that's the case, then India is truly lost in Kashmir. His opinions on Kashmir paint a very odd picture, and aren't at all in line with reality, according to him, and I am not strawmanning him here: India is the victim of state sponsored terror in Pakistan, there is no conflict local to Kashmir, and Indian security forces are not responsible for any repression of Kashmiris, and Indian policy in Kashmir bears no role in bringing about peace since it is already good enough and has never added to hostilities, oh and Pakistan's use of covert means of destabilising India are completely unilateral, while India's intentions and actions with respect to Pakistan are wholly benevolent.

And as for peace being achieved if Pakistan and locals switch off all hostilities unilaterally, I can say and I'm sure he knows this, that there are perhaps none, or maybe only very few conflicts in history in which peace is achieved in this way. In Northern Ireland, peace talks and a decade long peace process allowed for a gradual end to the conflicts, starting first with an end to the violence and then to eventual hostilities that remained. He may not realise it, but he is also portraying India as an inept state that is completely helpless and has no capacity to restore order within its own borders, it's all Pakistan's fault. An absurdity that is unbecoming of a man of his intelligence.
 
maybe every kid that is born in India is also because of Pakistan ;)
You all Indians are Bast@rds of Pakistan :P
he acted like a Chu, and in last few minutes Khar owned him like Chu ..

Strange that Mehdi Hasan forget to mentioned those large gathering where Pakistani Flags were raised, and people openly talk about to become Part of Pakistan, but he did mentioned a narrative that some Kashmiri want independent state ..
that independence can only be achieved when and if those Gau Rakshak allow a Referendum.. but of course, who care .. lets just throw some Billions at Americans and get some Designated names to International Terrorist list , and be done with it..
 
God, if only she wasn't tied to the PPP.

Mrs. Khar was in command. Admitting faults, showing progress, staying calm.

Arnab will respond with his own "panel".
 
Shashi Taroor was eloquent and articulate, while Hina Rabbani Khar had no answers except saying that India is going Pakistan way...and she will have more to talk if the same debate were to be held after 2 to 3 years.
 
Doesn't Tharor cry day and night for British to have exploited bhuka nanga Indians? Why he got defensive over India's lynchings of dalits and mulims?

Idiot, when Sashi Tharor spoke about British exploitation of India, he spoke on behalf of even Pakistan and Bangladesh, not just present India. Go through his speech again, and list which part do you don't agree with. And regarding lynching of dalits and Muslims, these are crimes which is common in any country. A Muslim police officer was lynched in Kashmir by Muslims, several Hindus were lynched in Kerala and other parts of India due to personal enmities and other things. Put all those combined and its not even 10% of the Shias who are killed on a monthly basis in Pakistan. You can't lynch any Hindu or a Sikh in Pakistan because most of them have already flees your country. Pakistan committed mass genocide in East Pakistan, there only fault, they spoke a different language. Now you are killing Shias.
 
I quite like Shashi Tharoor, he is usually very sane and impressive with the depth of his analysis which he delivers quite well.

On the subject of Pakistan though, especially in this interview, he seems thoroughly disappointing. The whole purpose of the type of questions the host was asking was to steer both to talk about areas of agreement, mutual understanding, and reflection on the roles both countries have played. Hina responded by fully admitting the mistakes made by the Pakistani state as she saw them, and very openly criticised the role Pakistan has had in worsening or at least not improving relations.

Shashi's opinions weren't at all interesting though, he refused to acknowledge much wrongdoing on the part of the Indian government and security forces in Kashmir, citing Pakistan as the only reason for not only violence, but also the internal movement in Kashmir which he has conveniently not spoken about. I believe he is sincere in saying he wants to see matters peacefully resolved, but I do not appreciate what I perceive to be a double standard on his part, which is to level accusations at Pakistan for its role in sponsoring trouble in Kashmir, while not even once speaking about internal movements in Kashmir that are motivated by Indian policy which is often nothing to do with Pakistan. He also applies this double standard more broadly, again he rightly accuses Pakistan of sponsoring violence in India, yet won't even entertain the notion that India has ever done the same or still does through Afghanistan.

He's too smart to not know any of this, only a fool would believe exactly as he claims to believe. If I give him the benefit of the doubt, at best I can determine that perhaps he is taking this line of denial on a neutral venue but is fully aware of the reality in Kashmir and in bilateral relations more broadly. And Hina to her credit pointed out in the beginning that the current state and civilian leaders of Pakistan are steering Pakistan in the right direction, whereas she feels the opposite is gaining momentum in India, and she goes on to display this when she speaks openly about the mistakes made on Pakistan's part and in other criticism of our own policy, while Shashi refused to do the same for Indian policy.

I would also add that Shashi's thoughts on achieving peace in Kashmir are quite unsophisticated in my opinion. He talks about peace as if it solely in the hands of Pakistan, and I'm sorry, if that's the case, then India is truly lost in Kashmir. His opinions on Kashmir paint a very odd picture, and aren't at all in line with reality, according to him, and I am not strawmanning him here: India is the victim of state sponsored terror in Pakistan, there is no conflict local to Kashmir, and Indian security forces are not responsible for any repression of Kashmiris, and Indian policy in Kashmir bears no role in bringing about peace since it is already good enough and has never added to hostilities, oh and Pakistan's use of covert means of destabilising India are completely unilateral, while India's intentions and actions with respect to Pakistan are wholly benevolent.

And as for peace being achieved if Pakistan and locals switch off all hostilities unilaterally, I can say and I'm sure he knows this, that there are perhaps none, or maybe only very few conflicts in history in which peace is achieved in this way. In Northern Ireland, peace talks and a decade long peace process allowed for a gradual end to the conflicts, starting first with an end to the violence and then to eventual hostilities that remained. He may not realise it, but he is also portraying India as an inept state that is completely helpless and has no capacity to restore order within its own borders, it's all Pakistan's fault. An absurdity that is unbecoming of a man of his intelligence.

Ms Khar admitted NOTHING save for a facetious "am sure Pakistan too MIGHT have done the same" ...

While quite hypocritically (surprise?) speaking about Siachen, conveniently forgetting that the tables were turned just because unlike 1947, her troops were late this time around.

Unless of course the two of us saw different interviews.

Cheers, Doc

Beautiful, no doubt. Not the speech of course.

Pls.
 
I just read Hina Rabani Khar... Beautiful.. and opened the thread... Not disappointed though....:angel:
 
I quite like Shashi Tharoor, he is usually very sane and impressive with the depth of his analysis which he delivers quite well.

On the subject of Pakistan though, especially in this interview, he seems thoroughly disappointing. The whole purpose of the type of questions the host was asking was to steer both to talk about areas of agreement, mutual understanding, and reflection on the roles both countries have played. Hina responded by fully admitting the mistakes made by the Pakistani state as she saw them, and very openly criticised the role Pakistan has had in worsening or at least not improving relations.

Shashi's opinions weren't at all interesting though, he refused to acknowledge much wrongdoing on the part of the Indian government and security forces in Kashmir, citing Pakistan as the only reason for not only violence, but also the internal movement in Kashmir which he has conveniently not spoken about. I believe he is sincere in saying he wants to see matters peacefully resolved, but I do not appreciate what I perceive to be a double standard on his part, which is to level accusations at Pakistan for its role in sponsoring trouble in Kashmir, while not even once speaking about internal movements in Kashmir that are motivated by Indian policy which is often nothing to do with Pakistan. He also applies this double standard more broadly, again he rightly accuses Pakistan of sponsoring violence in India, yet won't even entertain the notion that India has ever done the same or still does through Afghanistan.

He's too smart to not know any of this, only a fool would believe exactly as he claims to believe. If I give him the benefit of the doubt, at best I can determine that perhaps he is taking this line of denial on a neutral venue but is fully aware of the reality in Kashmir and in bilateral relations more broadly. And Hina to her credit pointed out in the beginning that the current state and civilian leaders of Pakistan are steering Pakistan in the right direction, whereas she feels the opposite is gaining momentum in India, and she goes on to display this when she speaks openly about the mistakes made on Pakistan's part and in other criticism of our own policy, while Shashi refused to do the same for Indian policy.

I would also add that Shashi's thoughts on achieving peace in Kashmir are quite unsophisticated in my opinion. He talks about peace as if it solely in the hands of Pakistan, and I'm sorry, if that's the case, then India is truly lost in Kashmir. His opinions on Kashmir paint a very odd picture, and aren't at all in line with reality, according to him, and I am not strawmanning him here: India is the victim of state sponsored terror in Pakistan, there is no conflict local to Kashmir, and Indian security forces are not responsible for any repression of Kashmiris, and Indian policy in Kashmir bears no role in bringing about peace since it is already good enough and has never added to hostilities, oh and Pakistan's use of covert means of destabilising India are completely unilateral, while India's intentions and actions with respect to Pakistan are wholly benevolent.

And as for peace being achieved if Pakistan and locals switch off all hostilities unilaterally, I can say and I'm sure he knows this, that there are perhaps none, or maybe only very few conflicts in history in which peace is achieved in this way. In Northern Ireland, peace talks and a decade long peace process allowed for a gradual end to the conflicts, starting first with an end to the violence and then to eventual hostilities that remained. He may not realise it, but he is also portraying India as an inept state that is completely helpless and has no capacity to restore order within its own borders, it's all Pakistan's fault. An absurdity that is unbecoming of a man of his intelligence.
Long ago I read a comment of US official about Pakistani counter part, He said Pakistani govt officials are good listener and well in counter argument.
Hina is discovery of Musharraf, she is young, fluent in argument and composed.
 
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She beautifully admitted that her nation is involved in terror acts against India and wanted Tharoor to admit that India is doing too but the seasoned diplomat did not let her put her words in his mouth.
 
Okay effort by her, but I don't think she handled it the way she should've. She did not need to cower that way and quasi-admit things that there is no evidence for... saying things like "we WERE like that" is NOT the right argument. Indiot cockroach was talking out of his @$$, but she was being a bit too much of an apologist.

She did have decent composure, and was more eloquent than that indiot, but she had no posture. The indiot was denying the RAW (yadav or whatever his name is) agent as being a member... he was saying "we have no evidence"... whereas she didn't even bother to say the same about "support of militants".

She was too apologetic, and "admitting" things she shouldn't have. It's unfortunate that I'm not dictating how she should've prepared to her. It's also unfortunate that this wasn't already something they knew of beforehand...
 
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Oh my god, tharoor just had her for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

She was too eager and apologistic to admit all the wrong doings of pakisan and histroy and wrong doings of terrorisms.
While tharoor was on a role putting pakistan under scanner all the time, whilte hina rabbani was like yes we were bad all this time but now lets move forward. lolz

Lets imagine if both were appointed to negotiate the kashmiri problems and solving it , at the end of the day hina rabbani would not only have lost kashmir but would have been negotiating for islamabad in the end.
 

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