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And how long ago did the avionics bought from China and from Russia become Iranian?
Almost all of Iran's "own" products are clones of Russian, Chinese, American designs.
Even if you hang a 3rd generation fighter with new avionics, it will not become a 4th generation from this.
Engines from the 50s
weak radar
outdated airframe
This is just an attempt to reassure ourselves, even block 30 of Turkey can easily overcome this misunderstanding
I will not say anything about the EF-2000, Rafale, F-16 block 60 / I
Lol. Indonesia will buy KOREAN 4.5 gen. F-313 is a piece of shit without any chance to break the sound barrier.
Listen buddy...You just registered your account today so that you come over and give us some verbal diarrhea of your brain farts.... Keep clear or I will not be this nice to you again....
Lol. J85 is very old and useless engines. Such as ATAR-9 and other. M346 is NOT fighter, is AT plane.
Fakour-90 is a copy of AIM-54A and this missile could be carry only by F-14.
I'm NOT Turkish, but u have conflict with them. And Saudi, and Israeli. But the Turkish Air Force is the weakest enemy, that's why I mentioned them.
F-313 is piece of shit without any signs of the 5th generation. The Turks are helped by the British, and Indonesia has overdue all payments, which is why the Koreans scolded them. And yet, such aircraft as Kfir, Lavi were created ON the BASIS of foreign designs, but you copied the F-5 and shout about a breakthrough. Okay, this is a breakthrough, but for the 80s.
Thank you..but we do not need your opinion...We know what we have and we are happy about that...goodbye...I have been reading this forum for over a year before registering. Dude, it's just ridiculous how your country tries to speak loudly about what it doesn't have.
who care what generation it is...It flys..that is more than anything anyone has fielded in our neighbourhood...Already learned. But how can you normally talk to those who pass off an old American aircraft as the 4th generation?
That is your opinion....If you ask me that is not how a country develops Aviation industry..and I worked 35 years on US and Canadian aviation industry..so I may know few things about AC.Isn't it easier to just buy a license from the Russians for the production of the MiG-29.35 than to suffer with a deliberately outdated platform?
I'm NOT Turkish, but u have conflict with them. And Saudi, and Israeli. But the Turkish Air Force is the weakest enemy, that's why I mentioned them.
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Lol. J85 is very old and useless engines. Such as ATAR-9 and other. M346 is NOT fighter, is AT plane.
M346 is NOT fighter, is AT plane.
Fakour-90 is a copy of AIM-54A and this missile could be carry only by F-14.
F-313 is piece of shit without any signs of the 5th generation. The Turks are helped by the British, and Indonesia has overdue all payments, which is why the Koreans scolded them. And yet, such aircraft as Kfir, Lavi were created ON the BASIS of foreign designs, but you copied the F-5 and shout about a breakthrough. Okay, this is a breakthrough, but for the 80s.
F-20 became the 4th generation thanks primarily to the engine.
That is your opinion....If you ask me that is not how a country develops Aviation industry..and I worked 35 years on US and Canadian aviation industry..so I may know few things about AC.
now I'm sure you don't knew what fakour-90 isFakour-90 is a copy of AIM-54A and this missile could be carry only by F-14.
explain to me one thing.Already learned. But how can you normally talk to those who pass off an old American aircraft as the 4th generation?
I like to knew how you reach to the conclusion that Mig-29 avionic is more advanced than KowsarIsn't it easier to just buy a license from the Russians for the production of the MiG-29.35 than to suffer with a deliberately outdated platform?
I like to knew how you reach to the conclusion that Mig-29 avionic is more advanced than Kowsar
Lol. Indonesia will buy KOREAN 4.5 gen. F-313 is a piece of shit without any chance to break the sound barrier.
F-313 is a mockup and a concept. Turkey, Indonesia, India have also come up with their reduced RCS mockups. Let's see which one flies earlier.
But hey we are still waiting for your proof that Avionics for Kowsar is purchased from China and Russia? Or you agree that you lied without substance?
KF 21 is not a mockup anymore, some prototytpes have been tested ( static test ), July 2022 inshaAllah is the first flight.
Single seat prototypes
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Double seats
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to be fair it happened when experienced pilots used f-5 as an aggressor against newer generation pilots with far less experienceF-5E is known to have locked the hell out of F-15/F-14/F-18 in mock dogfights in US.
honnestly why you insist making a laughing stock of yourself , go and read what is posted in related thread about it . it has different size , different engine and different seeker . and fatter have twice the range of any sidewinder.Copypaste of Phoenix. Such is fatter-is copy of Sidewinder. The MiG-29 is a time-tested platform and certainly the 4th generation, which the F-5 clone cannot be.
still didn't answer my question , is 3rd of Khordad and Buk-m2 same air defense system and which is more capable ?The Jews hung their Kfir (Actually Mirage 5 with a different engine and canards) with new avionics, but this did not make it the 4th generation. It's just 3.5, like the Soviet MiG-23MLD and early JF-17s.