Has KSA chosen a side?

[Khan vilatey]

Again - all self appeasements and baseless conclusions on Arabs by making strawman arguments but really nothing of substance.

Okay so what’s your solution how do we fix Pakistan?
What are the first 10 steps you and the rest of us will take ?

let’s see you put your money where your mouth is.....rather ideas

kv

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

but but Allah made Pakistan and we are Gods gift on earth......maybe not you (joking).... everyone is a gift on earth but some use this gift wisely some do not....yet still Pakistanis are Gods gift on earth. Please prove otherwise.



Arabs are usually incompetent at battle, they have lost their martial touch....I blame MTV. See the superior Saudi air force and army lose to the huti. The pan Arab forces failed in Syria.... even the uae after successfully using Winglong 2 drones lost from a position of strength to Turkey. Remember who shot down Israeli mirages ........Pakistanis



well, the best Pakistanis are overseas Pakistanis than come the ones in Pakistan. All jokes aside the overseas Pakistanis should get the vote!

Reading your post I saw myself from years ago bitter and young! Your post hit a nerve.

But then I realized that I am and always Will be Pakistani. Sure Pakistan is not perfect, it’s a work in progress but it is the only reason why I got the chances in life to succeed. If I was born in India I would be subjugated and like 90% of Muslims who are under the poverty line there would not have had the opportunities that were open to me in this down trodden Pakistan

I am grateful to Allah that I was born in Pakistan

Pakistan Zindabad

kv

There are two mindsets in Pakistan. The pessimism of the past decade, and the optimism of the new generation.

N and PPP live in pessimism and convincing us that things won't change.

PTI is making radical changes to our policy. Business as usual is no longer possible.

Pakistan shut your gob permanently on the 27th. Papa America had to plead for Abhinandan's release on your part. You were too humiliated to approach Pakistan directly. Pakistan displayed through action to the entire world that India would be brought to justice if it crosses the redline.

All your assets including mighty Su-30 were called into question. Modi had to hide behind Rafale LOL Now Rafale is going to save Hindustan. Not my words, but Modi's words.

Report and ignore. Do not feed the trolls.

Lets stay on topic, it is a great one. I am enjoying the conversation from all sides.

I am not well-versed with F-16.net. Would you please tell me on what basis is it proven that SU-30 is shot down?

PS: If SU-30 is indeed shot down, the leftist liberals in Indian media (there are mannnnnnyyyyy) would have had a big orgasm, and used it to beat Modi. Alas - they could not find anything.

@waz And rest of Mods, this Indian is peddling lies about Feb 27 which is clearly against forum rules.

Please do the necessary, brother. I have reported his posts but his off topic troll needs to be nipped in the bud.

A great discussion is going on here which I am enjoying.

Thanks sir to you and all mods. It is a thankless job, but you guys are doing phenomenally. Allah swt bless you all.

 

[kursed]

Perhaps the SOVIET example was too much how about Iran, this is the most sanctioned state was able to focus on education, today their literacy is over 90%...But the speed in which Soviet union industrialized remains mind blowing and beyond amazing, see the GOELRO project made possible the industrialization in the Soviet Union: electricity generation in 1932 compared with 1913 increased almost 7 times, from 2 to 13.5 billion kWh. For example Pakistans electricity production capacity today 37GW x 7 = 259GW by 2039 equivalent .

Pakistan's first war is not with anyone else, but with itself. This is true in terms of religiosity, economy, social upward movement, science and tech. We have killed the drive to innovate, become better, to optimize ourselves in spite of the fact that we're smaller, should have been far more agile than everyone in our neighborhood. Yet, we are in the company of sub-saharan African states, when it comes to human development index. This is no outside force keeping us from spending upon our people. These have been all our own decisions, in 70 years of our existence.

And for the life of me, I cannot blame a regular Pakistani for this. The general Pakistani has been sold off in the name of ideology, they learn nothing but a 70/80s era dogmatic lesson for first 15-18 years of their lives and then we expect them to take a 180 degree turn and become something else. That is something, that will not happen.

And we will not ask questions from folks at helm. Because asking questions is treason, so yep! We're destined to stay going down this path, with little to no respite.

 

[Salmanov]

Saudis supported Pakistan without anything in return yet I mean khan want saudis to get involved in Kashmir

 

[EpiiC]

Pakistan's first war is not with anyone else, but with itself. This is true in terms of religiosity, economy, social upward movement, science and tech. We have killed the drive to innovate, become better, to optimize ourselves in spite of the fact that we're smaller, should have been far more agile than everyone in our neighborhood. Yet, we are in the company of sub-saharan African states, when it comes to human development index. This is no outside force keeping us from spending upon our people. These have been all our own decisions, in 70 years of our existence.

And for the life of me, I cannot blame a regular Pakistani for this. The general Pakistani has been sold off in the name of ideology, they learn nothing but a 70/80s era dogmatic lesson for first 15-18 years of their lives and then we expect them to take a 180 degree turn and become something else. That is something, that will not happen.

And we will not ask questions from folks at helm. Because asking questions is treason, so yep! We're destined to stay going down this path, with little to no respite.

I agree, Imran has shown no inclination to increase education spending in the budget, so expect 2020-2021 literacy rate to be 60% circa, a illiterate society is easy to enslave.

"We are 50–100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they crush us." — Joseph Stalin

 

[El Sidd]

Of course. Now let's turn it into an anti-PTI debate. How is Bilawal doing? I heard he has joined Sindhudesh.

Sindh was separated from Bombay presidency long before the Sun rose on 15th August 1947.

PTi and PPP are same side of the same coin. Even the foreign minister is ex PPP politician.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

Who said that I commented to you specifically? It was a general comment.

Then dont tag me in general comments.

 

[Aspen]

Saudis are unhappy because they know China-Iran deal could not have happened without Pakistan

 

[Enigma SIG]

Tbh,
No, We aren’t as hard working as you think, I have seen more hard working Bangladeshis and Indians than Pakistanis, We also have this “Lazy” gene in us, even as a labor. Hire a Pakistani as an employee and what you see common among them is throwing their jobs to other employees shoulders.

This is a failure of management. I can attest to the opposite.

Anyway, in light of the discussion, it is Pakistan who must choose a side. It's own side. Make better opportunities at home to employ the vast manpower at our disposal.

 

[Dalit]

Then dont tag me in general comments.

Calm down and don't take it as a personal attack. I often notice with you that you become very hostile.

 

[Dalit]

Sindh was separated from Bombay presidency long before the Sun rose on 15th August 1947.

PTi and PPP are same side of the same coin. Even the foreign minister is ex PPP politician.

PTI and PPP are opposite poles. You are indulging in falsehoods now.

 

[Dalit]

Saudis supported Pakistan without anything in return yet I mean khan want saudis to get involved in Kashmir

LOL What do you mean with without anything in return? Saudi Arabia is not a charity. Nothing is free in this world.

The Saudis have a laundry list of demands from Pakistan. Just like the Americans. Not all demands are conveyed openly.

 

[Dalit]

There are two mindsets in Pakistan. The pessimism of the past decade, and the optimism of the new generation.

N and PPP live in pessimism and convincing us that things won't change.

PTI is making radical changes to our policy. Business as usual is no longer possible.



Report and ignore. Do not feed the trolls.

Lets stay on topic, it is a great one. I am enjoying the conversation from all sides.



@waz And rest of Mods, this Indian is peddling lies about Feb 27 which is clearly against forum rules.

Please do the necessary, brother. I have reported his posts but his off topic troll needs to be nipped in the bud.

A great discussion is going on here which I am enjoying.

Thanks sir to you and all mods. It is a thankless job, but you guys are doing phenomenally. Allah swt bless you all.

PPP and PML-N are agents of status-quo. Both have built an empire on lies and deceit.

 

[Invicta]

For whats it worth my two pence on this issue is Pakistan's own identity.
KSA are doing what's best for their interest Pakistan should do the same. There are no permanent friends or foes in this world of nations. You rely on each other because of mutual benefit, once there is no mutual benefit there is no warmth left in the relationship.

From my time at this forum (I do like to read more than I post) I know these is a large portion of members and even general population in Pakistan that follows and vehemently stand for the ideology of "one Muslim is a brother to another Muslim".

Whilst this is a fine and a very honorable ideology, it will also, always, remain an IDEOLOGY.
GCC don't/won't follow this or support this, it goes against their interest. Its time Pakistan makes a stand for its own interest as well.

 

[El Sidd]

PTI and PPP are opposite poles. You are indulging in falsehoods now.

Sehat and Taleem adder to Bhutto slogan Roti, Kapra and Makaan.

Please don't mislead people. Thanks