Has China played a part in removal of Imran/PTI

[Whirling_dervesh]

An honest question, thoughts welcome.

Since whiskey Munirs visit to China, Army/ISI have gone full retard mode to squash support for PTI, have gone totally bezerk, with total impunity over rule of law and due process in an unprecedented style.

Question is has this Chinas backing?

Has China a preference over crooks than PTIs questioning of CPEC deals?

Was China impatient about getting CPEC done quick time?

Does china not give 2 hoots over good governance or what is beneficial administration in power

Or are they simply ambivelant?

This isnt a rant about china, but what peoples views on the situation given that pak is screwed on every level and china has invested far too much.

Discuss?

 

[CIA Mole]

An honest question, thoughts welcome.

Since whiskey Munirs visit to China, Army/ISI have gone full retard mode to squash support for PTI, have gone totally bezerk, with total impunity over rule of law and due process in an unprecedented style.

Question is has this Chinas backing?

Has China a preference over crooks than PTIs questioning of CPEC deals?

Was China impatient about getting CPEC done quick time?

Does china not give 2 hoots over good governance or what is beneficial administration in power

Or are they simply ambivelant?

This isnt a rant about china, but what peoples views on the situation given that pak is screwed on every level and china has invested far too much.

Discuss?

not backing but happened under xi's watch who was too incompetent to do anything about it

you can see from china's russia/urkaine debacle that xi has no foresight and couldn't even see that putin would make such a move despite their so called friendship

 

[Titanium100]

China preferred PTI but at the end of the day they will work with any Pakistani party that comes to power..

Here is the reason why China preferred PTI? They were more India aggressive, not west pleasing, just more Vigilante in foreign policy which favored China who saw great potential in PTI.. Cause PTI acted like a superpower while current party is not acting like that.. Imran Khan has intimidated India which Beijing applauded which lead to china taking a junk of India in that period because they were so Imran focussed it opened a vacuum for china

 

[PakAlp]

I would say China would be happy with Imran Khan in power, he never once said anything negative about China, questioning Cpec deals is not a big issue, China likes to negotiate, they're not Pakistan. Imran Khan also questioned Usa policies on international platforms, opposed Saudi war in Yemen, Palestine issue etc so we all know who is happy about this. Imran Khan went anti establishment and turned the whole nation against them, this is why the establishment is taking revenge, they don't like a independent leader, they want a yes man. Its true China can pressurise the establishment but Imran Khan is not willing to go in exile, so slowly they're trying to damage the party before Oct elections. The question is can the 240M Pakistanis stand their ground or will they submit like they submitted to the Engraiz.

I personally would like the establishment and civilian government on one page, negotiate and make one policy. Civilians may be correct on some policies but the establishment is correct on many other policies. I wouldn't trust the civilians to be 100% in charge of the security challenges we face, bloody dacoits and thiefs.

 

[Olympus81]

There have been reports that the international community wanted Pakistan to have elections by October and not delay further.

So in that context, the Establishment started the ball rolling. May 9 provided them with a perfect pretext to defang PTI. Whether they are successful in doing so, remains to be seen.

Hastily putting up PTI’s forward bloc, news of JKT launching a party, nudging Abbasi, Miftah Ismael. The duffers and the corrupt politicians never learn, do they.

 

[FuturePAF]

I would say China would be happy with Imran Khan in power, he never once said anything negative about China, questioning Cpec deals is not a big issue, China likes to negotiate, they're not Pakistan. Imran Khan also questioned Usa policies on international platforms, opposed Saudi war in Yemen, Palestine issue etc so we all know who is happy about this. Imran Khan went anti establishment and turned the whole nation against them, this is why the establishment is taking revenge, they don't like a independent leader, they want a yes man. Its true China can pressurise the establishment but Imran Khan is not willing to go in exile, so slowly they're trying to damage the party before Oct elections. The question is can the 240M Pakistanis stand their ground or will they submit like they submitted to the Engraiz.

I personally would like the establishment and civilian government on one page, negotiate and make one policy. Civilians may be correct on some policies but the establishment is correct on many other policies. I wouldn't trust the civilians to be 100% in charge of the security challenges we face, bloody dacoits and thiefs.

China only stated Pakistan should deal with its political instability. That’s the only comment they made, and perhaps the PDM thought it gave them Carte Blanche to do what ever they want.

IMHO, IK would be ideal as the next President, while remaining chairman of PTI as well, and hand over day to day running of the government to a deputy (perhaps SMQ) and a committee to keep SMQ in line with party commitments. This will allow IK time to focus on galvanizing the public and diaspora to close ranks, attract FDI, and focus on economic development. According to Ayesha Siddiqa, IK only went to parliament for 3 days of his term as PM. So not having to carry out the day to day activities of the PM would be something he himself would be happy to not have to do, as long as he can guide the party and the government.

IK should also be focusing on ensuring the party survives beyond his life, reforms to the law are made such that the fiasco of the last 13 months don’t repeat. Zardari chose to also become president so he could focus on building up his party, while not having to run the day to operations of being a PM.

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Many say he doesn’t have all the answers, and I agree, which is why the presidency will suit him better.

IK is a visionary leader, and if the event of the last year have shown, he isn’t “Im the Dim”. Next door, their visionary leader isn’t even college educated, but he galvanizes the public to economic development. At the very least a deal should be made, keeping in line all the national interests and need for social harmony.

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[Novus ordu seclorum]

Does china not give 2 hoots over good governance or what is beneficial administration in power

You expect a country which put over a million people into prison because of their ethnicity/religion to care about democracy and human rights in other countries? A compliant military junta (like in Myanmar) is far preferable to a democratic leader asking inconvenient questions. China is a one party state which does not care about human rights, separation of powers, checks and balance in government, or democracy.

 

[FuturePAF]

You expect a country which put over a million people into prison because of their ethnicity/religion to care about democracy and human rights in other countries? A compliant military junta (like in Myanmar) is far preferable to a democratic leader asking inconvenient questions. China is a one party state which does not care about human rights, separation of powers, checks and balance in government, or democracy.

Nowadays, they do want a Pakistan that is economically and politically stable so that it can buy more products. One that spends enough in remote areas to meet the needs of its people to prevent miscreants targeting the infrastructure projects they are building there. The Chinese want their loans paid back at the very least.

 

[Drexluddin Khan Spiveyzai]

I would say China would be happy with Imran Khan in power, he never once said anything negative about China, questioning Cpec deals is not a big issue, China likes to negotiate, they're not Pakistan. Imran Khan also questioned Usa policies on international platforms, opposed Saudi war in Yemen, Palestine issue etc so we all know who is happy about this. Imran Khan went anti establishment and turned the whole nation against them, this is why the establishment is taking revenge, they don't like a independent leader, they want a yes man. Its true China can pressurise the establishment but Imran Khan is not willing to go in exile, so slowly they're trying to damage the party before Oct elections. The question is can the 240M Pakistanis stand their ground or will they submit like they submitted to the Engraiz.

Correct.

I personally would like the establishment and civilian government on one page, negotiate and make one policy. Civilians may be correct on some policies but the establishment is correct on many other policies. I wouldn't trust the civilians to be 100% in charge of the security challenges we face, bloody dacoits and thiefs.

With all due respect, we need to come out of the mentality. Civilians are like that because the system isn't developed and there is no accountability. Not in courts, and not in the poll booths. If the civilians knew they couldn't come to power with the establishment's blessings and had to rely solely on performance and popular appeal, they'd get their shit together. That's how it always works.

It's safe to say that the military isn't as wise & sagacious, or even competant as we used to believe. Nor does it have the best interests of Pakistan and heart. It's just as rotten and more culpable than politicians in what ills Pakistan. It just operated in the shadows with politicians and police as frontmen who got their hands dirty.

@RescueRanger , sir, what about you? After everything, you still think there is room for military in otherwise civilian affairs. Foreign policy/diplomacy etc?