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Harappan site of Rakhigarhi: DNA study finds no Central Asian trace, junks Aryan invasion theory

who told you that Aryans are steep looking?

there is not evidence that aryans are a race, the bogus theory is some race from out side India came here to civilize us.

Aryan means civilized and lord. It is not race.

English make it look like a race for their propaganda purpose. In Mahabharata Krishna refers to India as Aryavartha. Mahabharata was written 1500 B.C.E and before that also the epic is there.

Exactly .

What I meant by steep looking was in terms of propaganda which says steep people were fair and tall and other facial features as per some colonial retard who thought people of caucus were the most handsome of all .

Here steep looking may also mean more Turkish , Armenian and people of near by regions .

Wrong.

Ancient Iranians are not Aryans.

They are if your consider Aryans as self designation .
They aren't if you consider Aryan as race .
 
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Its seems self proclaimed gora
Nobody claimed such and I will not be moved by any Indian "report". The pressure from those with a agenda assures scientific facts are manipulated.

And furthermore Rakhigiri is just a small spore of the larger Indus civilization. This is equivalent of looking at samples in Eothpia or Sudan and using them to make conclusions about Egypt. It's plane absurd. All the sites in India are on the periphery. Haryana is literally on the 'edge' of the Indus.

Faking, making, frauding is the normative in India. Aboriginals don't have much of history. Cure? You steal it or make it up.


COVER STORY


HORSEPLAY IN HARAPPA
The Indus Valley Decipherment Hoax

MICHAEL WITZEL, a Harvard University Indologist, and STEVE FARMER, a comparative historian, report on media hype, faked data, and Hindutva propaganda in recent claims that the Indus Valley script has been decoded.

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LAST summer the Indian press carried sensational stories announcing the final decipherment of the Harappan or Indus Valley script. A United News of India dispatch on July 11, 1999, picked up throughout South Asia, reported on new research by "noted histo rian, N.S. Rajaram, who along with palaeographist Dr. Natwar Jha, has read and deciphered the messages on more than 2,000 Harappan seals." Discussion of the messages was promised in Rajaram and Jha's upcoming book, The Deciphered Indus Script. For nearly a year, the Internet was abuzz with reports that Rajaram and Jha had decoded the full corpus of Indus Valley texts.


https://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1720/17200040.htm
 
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Nobody claimed such and I will not be moved by any Indian "report". The pressure from those with a agenda assures scientific facts are manipulated.

And furthermore Rakhigiri is just a small spore of the larger Indus civilization. This is equivalent of looking at samples in Eothpia or Sudan and using them to make conclusions about Egypt. It's plane absurd. All the sites in India are on the periphery. Haryana is literally on the 'edge' of the Indus.

Faking, making, frauding is the normative in India. Aboriginals don't have much of history. Cure? You steal it or make it up.


COVER STORY


HORSEPLAY IN HARAPPA
The Indus Valley Decipherment Hoax

MICHAEL WITZEL, a Harvard University Indologist, and STEVE FARMER, a comparative historian, report on media hype, faked data, and Hindutva propaganda in recent claims that the Indus Valley script has been decoded.

17200041.jpg

LAST summer the Indian press carried sensational stories announcing the final decipherment of the Harappan or Indus Valley script. A United News of India dispatch on July 11, 1999, picked up throughout South Asia, reported on new research by "noted histo rian, N.S. Rajaram, who along with palaeographist Dr. Natwar Jha, has read and deciphered the messages on more than 2,000 Harappan seals." Discussion of the messages was promised in Rajaram and Jha's upcoming book, The Deciphered Indus Script. For nearly a year, the Internet was abuzz with reports that Rajaram and Jha had decoded the full corpus of Indus Valley texts.


https://www.frontline.in/static/html/fl1720/17200040.htm


A new research now says that the steep DNA came from south of caucus possible Iran lol

I am not saying it someone else says that .
 
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All this "Horseplay" or "faking" by Indians might come across as stupid and infantile. Actually far from it. It is deliberate and intended to produce results. And it works. How so? Well think of the saying "mud sticks". If you rake up lies and fraud. Then you scream and make media hype the "claims" stick as most people take that in as fact. Later of course under more scrutiny the claims maybe exposed as lies but by then you have already won because your fraudy claims have been converted into public perception. Very few people will read the boring, complicated rebuttal later.

In other words the "fraud" will have stuck. That is what all this is about. Create enough drama, enough smoke that out there people associate or think India as ancient civilization. When we all know it was just a Ganga swamp that gives the Sub-Saharans run for their money.
 
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The much-awaited DNA study of the skeletal remains found at the Harappan site of Rakhigarhi, Haryana, shows no Central Asian trace, indicating the Aryan invasion theory was flawed and Vedic evolution was through indigenous people.

The lead researchers of this soon-tobe published study — Vasant Shinde and Neeraj Rai — told ETthat this establishes the knowledge ecosystem in the Vedic era was guided by “fully indigenous” people with limited “external contact”.

“The Rakhigarhi human DNA clearly shows a predominant local element — the mitochondrial DNA is very strong in it. There is some minor foreign element which shows some mixing up with a foreign population, but the DNA is clearly local,” Shinde told ET. He went on to add: “This indicates quite clearly, through archeological data, that the Vedic era that followed was a fully indigenous period with some external contact.”

According to Shinde’s findings, the manner of burial is quite similar to the early Vedic period, also known as the Rigvedic Era. The pottery, the brick type used for construction and the general ‘good health’ of the people ascertained through the skeletal remains in Rakhigarhi, he said, pointed to a well-developed knowledge system that evolved further into the Vedic era. The study has, in fact, noted that some burial rituals observed in the Rakhigarhi necropolis prevail even now in some communities, showing a remarkable continuity over thousands of years.

Shinde, who is the vice-chancellor of the Deccan College, Pune, was the lead archaeologist in the study while Rai, who is the head of the ancient DNA laboratory at Lucknow’s Birbal Sahni Institute of Palaeosciences, did the DNA study.


MINOR TRACES OF IRANIAN STRAINS
According to Rai, the evidence points to a predominantly indigenous culture that voluntarily spread across other areas, not displaced or overrun by an Aryan invasion. “The condition of the human skeletons, the burial...all show absence of palaeo-pathology symptoms which could indicate ailments due to lack of medical care. The persons here were healthy; denture morphology showed teeth free of any infection; bones are healthy, as is the cranium,” Rai told ET.

He also discounted the notion of any violent conflict. “There are no cuts and marks which would be associated with a population subjected to warfare. All this indicates that the people were receiving well-developed healthcare and had full-fledged knowledge systems.” The excavations in Rigvedic phase, he said, corroborate this. “This points to greater continuity rather than to a new Aryan race descending and bringing superior knowledge systems to the region,” Rai said.

The Rakhigarhi study, he said, while showing absence of any Central Asian/Steppe element in the genetic make-up of the Harappan people, does indicate minor traces of Iranian strains which may point to contact, not invasion.

The Aryan invasion theory holds forth that a set of migrants came from Central Asia armed with superior knowledge and arms and invaded the existing settlements to establish a more sophisticated civilisation in India and pushed the original inhabitants down south. Rakhigarhi is one of the biggest Harappan civilisation sites spread across 300 hectares in Hisar, Haryana. It’s estimated to be 6,000 years old and was part of the mature phase of the Harappan period.

Rai disclosed that 148 independent skeletal elements from Rakhigarhi were screened for the presence of DNA molecules at the Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology in Hyderabad. Of the 148 skeletal remains, only two samples yielded any relevant DNA material.

Meanwhile, hectic last-minute efforts are on to get additional genetic details of the DNA material. One of the DNA samples recently faced contamination in a Seoul laboratory and efforts are on to segregate it. Samples were sent to laboratories in Seoul and Harvard for establishing accuracy. The contamination, Rai said, is unlikely to have any major bearing on the study’s primary findings.

https://m.economictimes.com/news/po...leshow/64565413.cms?__twitter_impression=true

Its seems self proclaimed gora , fair and handsome people of Pakistan are the invaders or later migrants to indus valley

:haha::sarcastic:




WRONG. Read the article again PROPERLY. It says the IVC and Harrappa/Mohenjendaro civilisation has it's origins to the ancestors of the LOCAL people of those sites who ARE namely modern day Pakistanis. No mention of their racial origins being connected to modern day indians. Also their is NO link in that article to actual dna proof. Just mere conjecture.
 
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WRONG. Read the article again PROPERLY. It says the IVC and Harrappa/Mohenjendaro civilisation has it's origins to the ancestors of the LOCAL people of those sites who ARE namely modern day Pakistanis. No mention of their racial origins being connected to modern day indians. Also their is NO link in that article to actual dna proof. Just mere conjecture.

Skeleton was found in Haryana .
DNA matches with indigenous population which only means haryanvis .
Rakhigiri culture has similarities with Rig Vedic culture .

Indians and Pakistanis are sisters in arms :P
 
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Skeleton was found in Haryana .
DNA matches with indigenous population which only means haryanvis .
Rakhigiri culture has similarities with Rig Vedic culture .

Indians and Pakistanis are sisters in arms :P



But if there has been no dna confirmation from Harrappa and Mohenjendaro itself then no conclusions can be made. Until there is dna confirmation from those sites, it's speculation at best. As the author is indian, the article is likely to be highly inaccurate and dubious. Also he does not link any REAL evidence to his claims. Like a dna study from an independent source etc.
 
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Will read it today. I may create a new thread on it, I hope you don't mind ?

By the way, be ready for Pakistanis to explain and prove how they are indigenous people AND invaders (who ruled India for 1000 years) all at the same time:lol:
lol, there is no such thing as logic but only unlimited greed & lies.

residents who claim the land have no literature of their own,monuments, language or history. Every thing is stolen , after USA our neighbors must be the only country where who made this grand infamous achievement.
 
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But if there has been no dna confirmation from Harrappa and Mohenjendaro itself then no conclusions can be made. Until there is dna confirmation from those sites, it's speculation at best. As the author is indian, the article is likely to be highly inaccurate and dubious. Also he does not link any REAL evidence to his claims. Like a dna study from an independent source etc.


I agree with your first view . That's reasonable .

But 2nd view :o:o_O like seriously :haha:
 
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All this "Horseplay" or "faking" by Indians might come across as stupid and infantile. Actually far from it. It is deliberate and intended to produce results. And it works. How so? Well think of the saying "mud sticks". If you rake up lies and fraud. Then you scream and make media hype the "claims" stick as most people take that in as fact. Later of course under more scrutiny the claims maybe exposed as lies but by then you have already won because your fraudy claims have been converted into public perception. Very few people will read the boring, complicated rebuttal later.

In other words the "fraud" will have stuck. That is what all this is about. Create enough drama, enough smoke that out there people associate or think India as ancient civilization. When we all know it was just a Ganga swamp that gives the Sub-Saharans run for their money.

Yes entire thing is created out of thin air, why dont you a publish paper telling the world the lies ....err truth according to you. I am very much sure it will be very well received by the british. (or will they die rolling on ground laughing at the idiocy of telling the very ppl who created pakistan)
 
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