Definitive END of Aryan Invasion Theory - Founders and Genetic origins of Indians.

[Gadkari]

There are two different India's here - one is the fascist, petty, greedy state established in 1947.

The second is the historical region of South Asia, also referred to as the Indian subcontinent.

The nation-state of India formed in 1947 is the equivalent of the Chinese deciding to name their country 'Asia'.

You forget that India was not established in 1947. India EXISTED BEFORE that which is why you had "Partition of INDIA".

India is the continuation of British India, smaller but better.

 

[peagle]

Puranas means "old books", i.e history books.

There is NO CONFUSION in Indian regarding our Indian Identity. The confusions is all yours and you are welcome to it.

Our country is called India AND Bharat as defined in our Constitution. Like I said there is zero confusion.

That's the point, you guys live in a fantasy, time for course correction. Time to accept ground realities.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You forget that India was not established in 1947. India EXISTED BEFORE that which is why you had "Partition of INDIA".

India is the continuation of British India, smaller but better.

The partition that occurred was of the provinces of Punjab & Bengal. Pakistan and India were both created out of the colony of British India - British India itself was the result of the military conquest of various kingdoms as well as negotiated suzerainty over various other Kingdoms and Princely States.

India as a nation-State never existed prior to 1947.

Pakistan too is a successor State to British India, which is why, under international law, international treaties/agreements such as the Durand Agreement that demarcated the borders between Afghanistan and British India were inherited by Pakistan and remain valid.

 

[Gadkari]

The partition that occurred was of the provinces of Punjab & Bengal. Pakistan and India were both created out of the colony of British India - British India itself was the result of the military conquest of various kingdoms as well as negotiated suzerainty over various other Kingdoms and Princely States.

India as a nation-State never existed prior to 1947.

Pakistan too is a successor State to British India, which is why, under international law, international treaties/agreements such as the Durand Agreement that demarcated the borders between Afghanistan and British India were inherited by Pakistan and remain valid.

You are clearly Not aware that UN has already accepted and declared India as the successor to British India.

Pakistan had objected to it in 1947 but your claims was rejected by the UN and India's membership of the United Nations remained unaffected.

Indian delegation was asked to present fresh credentials in view of certain basic constitutional changes in that country. Pakistan was declared a new state and it was to apply for membership in accordance with the provisions of Article 4 of the U.N. Charter.

Regarding membership of existing international organizations, UN ruled that ,

1. Membership of all international organizations together with the rights and obligations attaching to such membership will devolve solely upon the Dominion of India
2. The Dominion of Pakistan will take such steps as may be necessary to apply for membership of such international organisations as it chooses to join.


Point being you had tried to convince the world about your fantastic claims in the pas and failed. You are free to try 75 years later, but the result will be the same.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

You are clearly Not aware that UN has already accepted and declared India as the successor to British India.

Pakistan had objected to it in 1947 but your claims was rejected by the UN and India's membership of the United Nations remained unaffected.

Indian delegation was asked to present fresh credentials in view of certain basic constitutional changes in that country. Pakistan was declared a new state and it was to apply for membership in accordance with the provisions of Article 4 of the U.N. Charter.

Regarding membership of existing international organizations, UN ruled that ,

1. Membership of all international organizations together with the rights and obligations attaching to such membership will devolve solely upon the Dominion of India
2. The Dominion of Pakistan will take such steps as may be necessary to apply for membership of such international organisations as it chooses to join.


Point being you had tried to convince the world about your fantastic claims in the pas and failed. You are free to try 75 years later, but the result will be the same.

You are talking about two different things.

1. Whether India existed as a nation-State before 1947 (it did not).

2. The modern nation-State of India (created in 1947) being recognized in the UN as a successor State to British India. Please note that by definition, for modern India to be considered a successor State to British India means that the modern Indian state did not exist prior to 1947.

 

[Gadkari]

You are talking about two different things.

1. Whether India existed as a nation-State before 1947 (it did not).

2. The modern nation-State of India (created in 1947) being recognized in the UN as a successor State to British India. Please note that by definition, for modern India to be considered a successor State to British India means that the modern Indian state did not exist prior to 1947.

I used the term "successor" only to highlight Indian inheritance of existing treaties and obligations in the UN which earlier belonged to British India.

As far as legal representation was concerned, the The Dominion of India continues India's international personality and Pakistan alone is a successor state.

Dominion of India was NOT created in 947 but is considered a continuation of the earlier Indian state by the UN.

This was used as a legal precedent when USSR broke up and Russia was considered the natural continuation of USSR and its Veto power in the UN. Legal case of Dominion of India was the justification for that ruling.

 

[Mamluk]

1. She clearly says " YAP (Y-Alu Polymorphism) also known as M1 arose in Africa from M168 " says later this M1/YAP departed from Africa in an early dispersal event, and that C & D - are Directly evolved from this line. This is TRUE.

2. R has originated from M line and the oldest M lines and a large variety of M lines are found in India. In India, the major maternal lineages are various M subclades, followed by R and U sublineages. About 60% Indians have M (58%caste, 42%tribe) genetic heritage.

This wide dispersion of this lineage makes it the oldest.

1. Yes she does say that and she is absolutely wrong. CT is the ancestor of CF and DE. YAP defines the DE lineages from which D and E branches out.

Check out these wiki links: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_DE , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_CF_(Y-DNA)

Though I doubt you will understand anything.

2. I was talking about ydna R, not mtdna R.

mtdna R has nothing to do with mtdna M.

Do your own research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_R_(mtDNA) , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_M_(mtDNA)


You see, this is the reason you guys believe the out of India stuff. You have 0 knowledge and read stuff written by people with 0 knowledge.

 

[Gibbs]

she is an American.

Okay..

 

[letsrock]

In the end we all are humans so no need to be obsessed about genes. But there is something ugly about the way indians approach this aryan theory. But I wont blame indians alone on it - it was started by european colonizers and their morbid fascination for ancient non-bibical (non-jewish) origins of history.

In the end no matter where aryans come from , leaving apart whether they even existed , it does not change the slightest the aritificiality of indian state and racist/caste based fascist society.

 

[Gadkari]

In the end we all are humans so no need to be obsessed about genes. But there is something ugly about the way indians approach this aryan theory. But I wont blame indians alone on it - it was started by european colonizers and their morbid fascination for ancient non-bibical (non-jewish) origins of history.

In the end no matter where aryans come from , leaving apart whether they even existed , it does not change the slightest the aritificiality of indian state and racist/caste based fascist society.

There is no confusion regarding where Indians came from and who is the real cradle of civilization.

1. Harappan Genome Lacks Ancestry from Steppe Pastoralists or Iranian Farmers.

This was substantially been proven by Drs Vasant Shinde, Kumaraswamy Thangaraj, and Niraj Rai.

https://www.cell.com/action/showPdf?pii=S0092-8674%2819%2930967-5

2. The seminal Rakhigarhi study published recently focuses only on the period that was 1000 years BEFORE the alleged Steppe (Aryan) Migration/Interaction. This genetic map shows that in Indus Valley Civilisation (IVC) site in Haryana, there was NO TRACE of Iranian farmer or steppe pastoralist ancestry

It shows that ALL the developments right from the hunting-gathering stage to modern times in South Asia were done by indigenous people.

3. Again recent discovery that European cattle have substantial Indian cattle ancestry resulting from multiple gene-flow events as old as 8000 years ago. Again by Niraj Rai

Adaptive introgression from indicine cattle into white cattle breeds from Central Italy - Scientific Reports

Cattle domestication occurred at least twice independently and gave rise to the modern taurine and indicine cattle breeds. European cattle diversity is generally dominated by taurine cattle, although elevated levels of indicine ancestry have been recorded in several breeds from southern Europe...

www.nature.com

European taurine cattle (Bos taurus) are believed to first have been domesticated from Bos primigenius primigenius in the Fertile Crescent ~10,000 years ago (YA)8,9. A second inferred domestication event occurred about 2,000 years later in the Indus valley, Central Asia, with Bos primigenius namadicus as ancestor of humped zebu cattle (Bos indicus)10,11. Following the expansion of agriculture, taurine cattle colonized Europe, Asia and Africa, and reached Southern Europe around 8,000 YA12. Similarly, indicine cattle were taken along by humans across South-East Asia, and later on into Africa13.

4. New STUNNING find by Gyaneshwar Chaubey show Mesopotamian skeletal remain dated 4,500 years-old has its genetic ancestry traced to the Indian subcontinent. The scientists propose a link to early Bronze Age migrants from India.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0073682&type=printable