Hangor Class Submarine Project | Updates & Discussions

[Areesh]

as I learnt before that Ministry of Defense Production of Pakistan ordered shipborne launching systems development & manufacturing, this may be the issue for long time duration for these 8Chinese subs.

Pakistan may be integrating its 2nd strike capability with conventional subs. 4 of these subs could be with 6-8 vertical launchers with for the Babur crusie missiles as Chinese defense research institutes made progress on this sector

There are a lot of things that are happening right now. We might be developing different systems for these submarines. We might also be working with China to customize these submarines as per our requirements. Then we are also working to construct more ships. There are Azmat class FAC that are being constructed at Karachi shypyard right now. Then we have plans of buying ADA class corvette/Istanbul class frigate from Turkey which might also be constructed at Karachi shipyard.

So keeping in mind all these projects, this is a fine timeline for 8 submarines. This is the biggest ever project for PN. People think building submarine and inducting them is something very easy and simple.

 

[New Resolve]

it is 10 12 years for development manufacturing and delivery of 8 subs. people take twice that much time just to decide what they are going to buy. i do not understand why we are saying it is too long. plus i do have a strong feeling and reasons to beleive that these wont be off the shelf products and we will get our modified boats. as we usually do with Chinese

wah wah kia point erz kia hai.

 

[[--Leo--]]

which class some one upload its specification please i heard it yuan class with specification m i correct?

 

[Echo_419]

To be fair he has a point, just look at Indias search for the next generation fighter, contract after contract, signing ceremonies, constant price changes. we still don't know which country India has decided to finally go with. could be a 10 year process by the time India gets its first fighter

Even the trident submarines for british navy, got approved 3 years ago and still now no one knows that it will get scrapped by the new PM or the future PM. They haven't even started work on the shipyards yet to make these ships and that alone takes years to build.

I know he has a point, that's why I was laughing

 

[Blue Marlin]

To be fair he has a point, just look at Indias search for the next generation fighter, contract after contract, signing ceremonies, constant price changes. we still don't know which country India has decided to finally go with. could be a 10 year process by the time India gets its first fighter

Even the trident submarines for british navy, got approved 3 years ago and still now no one knows that it will get scrapped by the new PM or the future PM. They haven't even started work on the shipyards yet to make these ships and that alone takes years to build.

were getting a like for like replacement for the vanguard class ssbn's. the only cockup we has was when we lowered the number of type 45's and potentially the type 26

 

[war&peace]

it is 10 12 years for development manufacturing and delivery of 8 subs. people take twice that much time just to decide what they are going to buy. i do not understand why we are saying it is too long. plus i do have a strong feeling and reasons to beleive that these wont be off the shelf products and we will get our modified boats. as we usually do with Chinese

I think we have been listening about the deal for quite a few years by now we should have started getting the trials of the first one. Furthermore, why can't they manufacture them simultaneously at KSEW

 

[Jf Thunder]

so how many subs of our current fleet will be retired by then?
I doubt they can upgrade all of the ones we already have
maybe we will have 4 or 5 remaining subs in service + 8 the we will get in 2028
so 12 or 13 should be more than sufficient for our small coast.......

 

[GR!FF!N]

so 24000 pages are wasted on maintenance aspects that wash the Scorpene Submarine with a soft cloth etc

Its manual dude..

I can give a 50000 page manual of a computer.But it'll not tell you how a chip is designed or how to hack into system.

 

[My-Analogous]

it is 10 12 years for development manufacturing and delivery of 8 subs. people take twice that much time just to decide what they are going to buy. i do not understand why we are saying it is too long. plus i do have a strong feeling and reasons to beleive that these wont be off the shelf products and we will get our modified boats. as we usually do with Chinese

Mate it will take time to develop new weapon and all these sub is taylor made according to requirement of Pakistan. Remember the case of Indian Scorpene Submarine's, India order them in 2005 and first sub was commissioned on year 2016

 

[Saifullah Sani]

China will provide eight submarines to the Pakistan Navy by 2028, said Chief Project Director of Submarines while briefing the National Assembly’s Standing Committee on Defence during the committee’s visit to the Naval Headquarters here on Friday.

Four of the subs would be constructed in China and the rest in Pakistan. The committee, headed by Shaikh Rohail Asghar, was earlier welcomed by Chief of the Naval Staff at the Naval Headquarters. The chief project director gave a detailed overview of the challenges and future plans of the Pakistan Navy.

He said the Pakistan Navy had inked a contract with China for submarines according to which the latter will construct four submarines in China and supply them to the Pakistan Navy in mid 2022-23.

The remaining four submarines will be constructed in Pakistan at the Karachi Shipyard and these will be handed over to the Pakistan Navy in 2028.

According to a news release, members of the committee expressed satisfaction over the measures made by the Pakistan Navy for securing the coastal areas of Pakistan.

https://www.thenews.com.pk/print/145701-China-to-provide-eight-submarines-to-Pakistan

 

[ziaulislam]

pretty much expected dates
deal was signed in 2015
first sub in 36-48 months
rest each year meaning 4 subs in 6-7 years i.e by 2022-2023
while Pakistani subs will start building subs after 1 -2 Chinese subs i.e around 2020-21 and 4 will be build each in 12-16 months by 2028


in contrast india signed deal for 6 subs in 2005 and in 12 years not even 1 is delivered yet

 

[X-2.]

That's good. Pakistan will slowly induct new sub. This mean instead of getting 8 subs based on today's technology, the newer ones can be modified with updated sensors and stuff during their construction.

Indeed ,chopriyan oh ve do do

Good it will complete in 2028 and advanced module of that era

 

[The SC]

Just find 10 year is a very long period , really long for a sub that has been assembled many times in China, thats all and we put together a F22P in 1 Year I had my hope up

10 year is good as 110 years , because it is way too long

• PNS/M Khalid (S137) - built in France by DCN Cherbourg, completed in 1999
• PNS/M Saad (S138) - built in Pakistan with French assistance, completed in 2002
• PNS/M Hamza (S139) - built in Pakistan, commissioned 14 August 2006

So we made a Sub every 4 years

By slow formula , 2 subs in Pakistan and 2 in China 4-7 Years = 4 Subs

They are not making stuff in our facility which may not have enough tools or resources

But this is being done in China they make stuff 1000% faster then us

I had my hopes for 6 Submarines in 6 years, 2 in Pakistan 4 in China

4 are coming in 2023 from China.. not bad at all.. these are big, advanced and very sophisticated SSKs, the other four wil be built in Pakistan will finish joining the fleet (the 8th one) by 2028! there is a new thread on it here in the forum , look it up..

 

[Viper0011.]

in contrast india signed deal for 6 subs in 2005 and in 12 years not even 1 is delivered yet

India got a few Subs in the past decade, Scorpions, Russian Akula class nuke subs and a couple traditional ones too.....

 

[New Resolve]

A sub every 2 years from now, not bad actually.