Hangor Class Submarine Project | Updates & Discussions

[Sulman Badshah]

m sure there is a mix up in the article/source/claim

thread article is taken from Radio Pakistan

 

[Skywalker]

its submarine sir and yes its takes time

agosta90-b contract sign 1996 and

• PNS/M Khalid (S137) - built in France by DCN Cherbourg, completed in 1999
• PNS/M Saad (S138) - built in Pakistan with French assistance, completed in 2002
• PNS/M Hamza (S139) - built in Pakistan, commissioned 14 August 2006

Oh really I thought it was a paper boat, they need to step up the pace.

 

[Army research]

Look the real reason for these subs is defense of Chinese interests in gwadar etc hence chines built subs specially for this purpose are coming first and then Pakistan ones late as they would be for our you know priorities ed second strike right now etc they will be there say if in 2023 say some one angry and wants to blockade gwadar or Pakistan in general where China has huge investment then these would kick in to protect our trade and shopping lanes also what's wrong we are getting 8 subs in ten year 8 subs are Alot and besides these turkey already upgrading our and work on some nuclear sub of our is also on so relax and care more about service rifle for PA as we need THAT NOWWWWW

 

[That Guy]

Why ten years, why can't they build simultaneously.

Training, infrastructure preparation, cost mitigation, contruction...etc. There are a numerous reasons why PN can't induct these subs right away. Naval vessels generally are harder to induct than, say a fighter jet.

Anyways India's defence minister was right when he said Pakistan will take a long time to get those submarines:

http://m.hindustantimes.com/india/i...es-parrikar/story-KKUQsQOh7WPdd4M8Ydl8GI.html

Well, it's not really surprising, considering that naval ships take a long time to induct and deploy; this is especially true for Pakistan, as PN has never really been a priority in the past. Pakistan has a lot of catching up to do, when it comes to naval capability, and with CPEC + Gwadar, Pakistan is finally realizing its mistake.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Quite disappointing to hear it will take 10 years , should have been 2 Subs per year

• 1 in Pakistan
• 1 in China

Its not like it is new research , the Submarine has been built and has already well defined construction manuals

In this day and age. Very disappointed on the duration

When Pakistan was making Agosta , we made 1 100% in Pakistan in just 3 years by ourselves , with China I was expecting double the speed with new development machines etc

We made F22P in Pakistan in 1 year

 

[Sully3]

LOL

To be fair he has a point, just look at Indias search for the next generation fighter, contract after contract, signing ceremonies, constant price changes. we still don't know which country India has decided to finally go with. could be a 10 year process by the time India gets its first fighter

Even the trident submarines for british navy, got approved 3 years ago and still now no one knows that it will get scrapped by the new PM or the future PM. They haven't even started work on the shipyards yet to make these ships and that alone takes years to build.

 

[The SC]

Lets be honest,
I and most of us who are extremely disappointed by Submarine timeline were expecting all Subs delivered by 2022 at max.

Reason was, that we believed that idea of spliting 8 subs into half half for China and Pakistan was to speed up the production process. Four subs manufacting in China and Four subs manufacturing in Pakistan at the same time.!

I am extremely disappointed, its too damn late considering the fact that we are planning to Develop Submarine based 2nd Strike Capability which is also delayed now for a decade. India on the other hand will soon be be able to arm and get full fledged 2nd strike capability even before 2020. This also explains why we are ''upgrading'' our Agusta 90 subs from Turkey. The ''hope'' of operating 8 Yuan + 3 Agusta90 = 11 AIP subs is dead.......

Doomed.............

Considering western shipyards time frames for building submarines, it takes the Germans around 4 years for each sub, the French around 3 years depending on the size and systems.. Chinese are kown to be faster, but in this case of Qing class 41, these are as sophisticated as one can get , So my assumption is that the first two x two (4) if build simultaniously will take around 4 years including tests, then less time for the remaining 4; another 4 simult in 4years, that is 8 years for 8 if 4 are made in China and 4 in Pakistan Simult.. so the delivery shoud take around 8 years max from the start of he project, My guess is that they will be (all 8) fully operational by 2025 if simult. building..

How Pakistan can build 4 subs in Parallel with China when Pakistani engineers dont know a dime about how to construct chinese submarines ?

They'll get training, than Chinese supervision..

 

[idune]

If these subs taking long that gives Pakistan opportunity and excuse to lease Chinese sub for interim and master 2nd strike capability. For China this will give them opportunity to park their sub in strategically important Gulf, indian ocean and african water and more importantly for sake of CPEC. This could be win win for Pakistan and China.

 

[Pandora]

It is submarine not an underwater shurli. I would say that one sub per year or even two years in not bad considering multiple Naval projects being carried out.

This also explains why Pakistan wants to upgrade its Augusta subs. Augusta 70 will most likely be upgraded as well.

 

[The SC]

What one should do/think of these news from 2011:?

It is now believed that the contract inked between CSIC and Pakistan early last April (see FORCE April 2011, pages 16-17) calls for the CSIC's Wuhan-based Wuchang Shipyard to supply six Qing-class SSKs, all of which will be equipped with a Stirling-cycle AIP system and will be able to carry up to three nuclear warhead-carrying CJ-10K LACMs each. The double-hulled Qing-class SSK, with a submerged displacement close to 3,600 tonnes, bears a close resemblance to the Russian Type 636M SSK, and features hull-retractable foreplanes and hydrodynamically streamlined sail. The first such SSK was launched in Wuhan on September 9 last year, and a total of three such SSKs are on order from China's PLA Navy as well. The AIP system for the Qing-class SSK was developed by the 711th Research Institute of CSIC. R&D work began in June 1996, with a 100-strong team of scientists and engineers led by Dr Jin Donghan being involved in developing the Stirling-cycle engine, while another team led Professor Ma Weiming of China's Naval Engineering University began developing the all-electric AIP system. The two projects entered the production engineering stage in 2007, with the Shanghai Qiyao Propulsion Technology Ltd, a wholly owned subsidiary of the 711th Institute, becoming the principal industrial entity charged with producing the AIP system. Incidentally, the Qing-class SSK's all-electric propulsion system is a derivative of a similar system that was developed about a decade ago for the PLA Navy's six Type 093 Shang-class SSGNs and three Type 094 Jin-class SSBNs.

The submarine-launched CJ-10K LACM has been developed by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corp's (CASIC) Hubei-based Ninth Academy (also known as the Sanjiang Aerospace Group, or 066 Base) on cooperation with the Third Academy's Beijing-based Xinghang Electromechanical Equipment Factory (159 Factory). Final assembly of the CJ-10K is undertaken by the Beijing-based Hangxing Machine Building Factory (239 Factory). The CJ-10K features an imaging infra-red optronic system for terminal homing, and it makes use of a ring laser gyro-based inertial navigation system combined with a GPS receiver to receive navigational updates from China's 'Beidou' constellation of GPS navigation satellites.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/pak-navy-interest-in-chinese-sub-frigates.116768/#ixzz4IUZ9DM00

So two were added in the 2015 contract, most probably the S-20 if not another 2 Qing class!

 

[Mssniper966]

So Sub being constructed in 2028 most probably will be way advance and up to date than those constructed today.

No offense, but if that is the case then let's induct them in 2050...it would be much more advanced then that of 2028....

Well we will get 6-9 Scorpenes, 6 P-75i, 8 N-subs by 2028.

Good thing u will at least get Scorpenes by 2028...but then again what is the advantage of a submarine, the one which has all its secrets exposed...

 

[Genghis khan1]

No offense, but if that is the case then let's induct them in 2050...it would be much more advanced then that of 2028....

Induction is as per requirement and $$ in hand. Navy must have calculated the life of their old subs remaining, time frame of enemy upcoming inductions and urgency for them to ask Govt huge sums of money.

 

[Thorough Pro]

with 15000+ posts you talk like an idiot. people have been building hoses for thousands of years now but still it takes about a year to build a medium sized home despite all the fitting and fixtures readily available from the market to use in construction. Everything that goes in a sub construction is not bought from a super market, each and every single component is custom built by various vendors who start work only when a deal is signed, all the drawing are shared and financial arrangements agreed/confirmed.

Do some research on how long it took us to assemble the French Sub in Pakistan from already made, sub-assembled and tested components?

Quite disappointing to hear it will take 10 years , should have been 2 Subs per year

• 1 in Pakistan
• 1 in China

Its not like it is new research , the Submarine has been built and has already well defined construction manuals

In this day and age. Very disappointed on the duration

When Pakistan was making Agosta , we made 1 100% in Pakistan in just 3 years by ourselves , with China I was expecting double the speed with new development machines etc

We made F22P in Pakistan in 1 year

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Just find 10 year is a very long period , really long for a sub that has been assembled many times in China, thats all and we put together a F22P in 1 Year I had my hope up

10 year is good as 110 years , because it is way too long

• PNS/M Khalid (S137) - built in France by DCN Cherbourg, completed in 1999
• PNS/M Saad (S138) - built in Pakistan with French assistance, completed in 2002
• PNS/M Hamza (S139) - built in Pakistan, commissioned 14 August 2006

So we made a Sub every 4 years

By slow formula , 2 subs in Pakistan and 2 in China 4-7 Years = 4 Subs

They are not making stuff in our facility which may not have enough tools or resources

But this is being done in China they make stuff 1000% faster then us

I had my hopes for 6 Submarines in 6 years, 2 in Pakistan 4 in China

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

PN needs to strengthen its subsurface fleet

Well we will get 6-9 Scorpenes, 6 P-75i, 8 N-subs by 2028.

which 8 N-Subs ? sorry i was slumbering