Hamas SLAMMED in Arab media for their attacks on Israel

[ephone]

drag topic into total nonsense.

i have no doubt the superiority of Chinese IQ especially on people like me half Arab half Persian
only low IQ people you know ...

 

[Osnaz]

common sense isnt very common is it?!

Defend yourself by pushing out the Palestinians? Defend yourself by bombing their shipyard and closing their borders (rounding them like sheep) then bombing them every 5mins! Yea, very justifiable indeed ...To a criminal any crime is justified!

You're using hyperbole and inflammatory language but have no actual content.

Israel left Gaza in its entirety in 2005. When Israel left, Gaza was open. There was no blockade, the border with Egypt was open with EU monitors, the border with Israel was open every day and the port was open.

Additionally, Israel said that if there was quiet after withdrawal, they would allow for the airport in Gaza to open.

Had palestinians decided to better their lives instead of attacking Israel, they would now have a functioning airport and an open territory.

Instead, in 2005 they put their rocket launchers onto the vacated land (which brought Israel into closer range) and started firing rockets daily.

The blockade only came in 2007 after rockets, and Hamas taking power, killing Fatah and forcing the EU monitors out from the Rafah crossing.

So let's get the facts straight here.

 

[Koovie]

Looks like Hamas have angered everyone in the region apart from Iran.

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While I do not agree with the civilian deaths caused by Israel, those Hamas terrorists are the reason for the recent escalation.

But what I despise most is the fact that they are ordering Palestinians to remain in their homes despite warnings of air attacks and the use of public places like schools to launch their rockets which are targeting civilians in Israel

 

[Dubious]

The aggressor is the one who started this round of hostilities which is Hamas.
They should not have killed the 3 children
They should not have started firing rockets into Israel.

Fair enough they shouldnt have...Israel didnt produce any prove but rounded up 330 children and punished half of them including an American citizen (the cousin of the one burned alive) ...the American citizen was also beaten up under police custody (said the American ambassador) ...How is that not equal to what the Hamas did? 330 is not a small number!

That is what started Hamas to retaliate by bombing...Fine Hamas is barbaric...But Israel is no angel by creating a mess of a larger degree....shelling every 5 mins to a densely populated area who dont even have bomb shelters? And mind you news reports (from Israel itself) also stated some rockets were from Jordanian border...we dont see shelling every 5mins there!

Yes, but Israeli's will naturally think of Israeli's first. If by killing 2 Palestinians, they can save 1 Israeli life, then they would do it.

Wow! Yes justify it! If killing 100 was like killing 2 then we just need to wait before a genocide happens to save millions of Israeli coz saving them requires death to (multiply by 2) killing Palestinians!

Exactly how if killing 2 Pakistani's saves the life of 1 Indian, I would have no doubt my Govt will take that decision.

Of course savages exist everywhere! Since you can justify it and so can Israel I see why you sit at the same table while the world sits on the opposite side!

For my Government, my life is more important and more valuable than the life of any other citizen.
Exactly how Pakistani Govt shells and kills Afghans(which have collateral damages) to ensure that those they are targetting do not kill Pakistani citizens.

We moved out the IDP hence they became IDP and we went in on foot! I guess Israel or India cant think of doing that...coz it takes guts! Not hiding behind advanced weapons /protection and hitting densely populated area for days with an attack every 5 mins against rockets which cause no harm at all (half of which blow up in air)! that is called coward!

 

[The SiLent crY]

You would have seen 1000 dead if there was a ground offensive.

They're hiding in homes, schools, mosques etc.


The leadership hides in a bunker under a hospital.


Iran has interfered in Arab affairs and this is why you're now in conflict.

Iran had absolutely no right to take over Lebanon, interfere in Yemen or Bahrain and send troops to Syria.

So all these foreign engagements by Iran have angered the Arab world.

Anyway, this is not the topic here.

 

[Dubious]

You're using hyperbole and inflammatory language but have no actual content.

Nope I am showing you the mirror...You keep justifying it so I agree to a certain mentality murder is justified!

Israel left Gaza in its entirety in 2005. When Israel left, Gaza was open. There was no blockade, the border with Egypt was open with EU monitors, the border with Israel was open every day and the port was open.

Son this is the year 2014...in 2005 Israel was as big as it is now....mind you there were still bulldozers breaking

Additionally, Israel said that if there was quiet after withdrawal, they would allow for the airport in Gaza to open.

Had palestinians decided to better their lives instead of attacking Israel, they would now have a functioning airport and an open territory.

After afflicting years of torture you expect people to behave normally for few months provision?

Instead, in 2005 they put their rocket launchers onto the vacated land (which brought Israel into closer range) and started firing rockets daily.

The blockade only came in 2007 after rockets, and Hamas taking power, killing Fatah and forcing the EU monitors out from the Rafah crossing.

So let's get the facts straight here.

Human Rights Watch, an international human rights advocacy organization, published in Jan. 2005 the following description of the Gaza Withdrawal in its "World Report 2005":

"The Israeli Cabinet adopted Prime Minister Sharon's Gaza 'disengagement' plan on June 6, 2004, and the full Knesset gave its approval on October 26.

The plan calls for the withdrawal of Jewish settlers and the redeployment of Israeli troops to posts on the Israeli side of the border with Gaza, while Israel will retain control of Gaza's borders, coastline, and airspace. Israel is reserving the right to launch incursions into Gaza, and will continue to control Gaza's economy and trade, telecommunications, water, electricity, and sewage networks.

The plan explicitly envisions the demolition of hundreds more homes along the Gaza-Egypt border in order to expand the buffer zone there.

The plan states that the disengagement 'will serve to dispel the claims regarding Israel's responsibility for the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.'

In fact, under international humanitarian law, the steps envisioned will not end Israel's occupation of the territory, and Israel will retain responsibility for the welfare of Gaza's civilian population."

Withdrawal indeed! We control everything we just show the world we are out! We control your trade and then tell the world you refused to develop! Yea we abuse the people and then tell the world we withdrew! shhhh...

 

[The SiLent crY]

While I do not agree with the civilian deaths caused by Israel, those Hamas terrorists are the reason for the recent escalation.

But what I despise most is the fact that they are ordering Palestinians to remain in their homes despite warnings of air attacks and the use of public places like schools to launch their rockets which are targeting civilians in Israel

Hamas is the elected government of there alongside other groups that have part there , So stop sticking terrorist to Palestinians self defense .

 

[Contrarian]

Fair enough they shouldnt have...Israel didnt produce any prove but rounded up 330 children and punished half of them including an American citizen (the cousin of the one burned alive) ...the American citizen was also beaten up under police custody (said the American ambassador) ...How is that not equal to what the Hamas did? 330 is not a small number!

I stated facts, you are stating hyperbole.

Hamas started this round of conflict.
1. They killed 3 Israeli children
2. They started firing rockets on Israel.

Israel started responding only after the frequency of rocket attacks increased. I commend them for being patient initially.

Hamas is to blame for what is now happening.

But Israel is no angel by creating a mess of a larger degree....shelling every 5 mins to a densely populated area who dont even have bomb shelters? And mind you news reports (from Israel itself) also stated some rockets were from Jordanian border...we dont see shelling every 5mins there!

Why should Israel hold back when Palestinians dont hold back?
You are saying because a one handed man punches a 2 handed man, the 2 handed person should also use just 1hand in retaliation.

Why should Israel limit itself. Hamas fires into populated Israeli areas from populated Palestinian areas. Why should Israel then not target those populated areas?

I repeat because you tend to ignore parts of a post not comfortable to you - Hamas fires into Israel from populated Palestinian areas. In order to kill Hamas, Israel has to fire back into these areas. If Israel does not fire back into these areas, Hamas will keep firing in Israel, is that acceptable to you?

Wow! Yes justify it! If killing 100 was like killing 2 then we just need to wait before a genocide happens to save millions of Israeli coz saving them requires death to (multiply by 2) killing Palestinians!
Of course savages exist everywhere! Since you can justify it and so can Israel I see why you sit at the same table while the world sits on the opposite side!
We moved out the IDP hence they became IDP and we went in on foot! I guess Israel or India cant think of doing that...coz it takes guts!

I dont think you actually read what other people post, just look for an opening to start your own rant.
I said how Pakistan targeted Afghansitan. I am not talking about the current operation in Miranshah that has generated IDP's.
Pakistan has fired into Afghanistan to kill terrorists there - and that has collateral damage too. Thereby demonstrating that Pakistan Army considers the lives of Pakistani's more important than Afghans.

That is how it is for all nations.

Not hiding behind advanced weapons /protection and hitting densely populated area for days with an attack every 5 mins against rockets which cause no harm at all (half of which blow up in air)! that is called coward!

So if Hamas were using swords, you would recommend that Israelis should also use swords to fight Hamas instead of guns.
This is not the middle ages Talon. Hamas is trying to kill common men,women and children of Israel with the resources Hamas has, Israel is trying to kill Hamas with the resources that Israel has.

The only difference is that Hamas is targeting normal Israeli's, but Israel is targeting Hamas. It just so happens that Hamas loves to hide behind civilians, mosques, hospitals and apartment blocks.

 

[Osnaz]

Akheilos, you're being deliberately moronic.

As I said (and you ignored) Israel disengaged fully from Gaza, but of course could not just leave and overnight everything is free for plaestinians to bring in tanks through the border if they wanted.

The border with Israel was open - of course Israel will control that. The border with Egypt was open - monitored by EU, controlled by Egypt.

The port was open.

Israel also said if there was quiet they would open the airport there.

Only a moron would assume that Israel would leave the territory and overnight everything is open.

Did the allies leave Germany the day after the surrender? they stayed for years. British and American troops stayed for DECADES.

What Israel said to the palestinans was PROVE you can govern Gaza in peace and everything will open.

But on the SAME day as Israel withdrawing from Gaza, they were firing rockets - so of course they won't have anything open.

Their answer to everything has always been rockets and suicide bombers.

Even on the eve of signing a peace treaty with Jordan, the palestinians blew up a bus killing over 20 Israelis to try and derail the peace accords/.

 

[Dubious]

I stated facts, you are stating hyperbole.

Facts are not what you say but what is written record...I stated facts too...in fact I have posted those media reports on other threads related to Israel- Palestine while you are known to go with coz I said so attitude! (no offense)

Hamas started this round of conflict.
1. They killed 3 Israeli children
2. They started firing rockets on Israel.
Israel started responding only after the frequency of rocket attacks increased. I commend them for being patient initially.
Hamas is to blame for what is now happening.

I already mentioned there was no proof Hamas did it...though no one should doubt but Israel straight away blamed Hamas even before the bodies were found...they had started rounding 330 Palestinians....

The rockets did no harm...could have been countered instead of rounding up the Palestinians by closing the Gaza borders + bombing the dockyard (basically rounding them like sheep for sacrifice)

Why should Israel hold back when Palestinians dont hold back?
You are saying because a one handed man punches a 2 handed man, the 2 handed person should also use just 1hand in retaliation.

I am saying Israel has no regard for Palestinian life and a that is a fact no matter how you see it!

Why should Israel limit itself. Hamas fires into populated Israeli areas from populated Palestinian areas. Why should Israel then not target those populated areas?

hamas fires into isolated areas very rarely into populated areas...otherwise there would have been at least 1 causality! And if by that sense you term Hamas as a terrorist then by the same sense (Israel fires into DENSELY POPULATED strip) Israel is a terrorist state!

I dont think you actually read what other people post, just look for an opening to start your own rant.
I said how Pakistan targeted Afghansitan. I am not talking about the current operation in Miranshah that has generated IDP's.
Pakistan has fired into Afghanistan to kill terrorists there - and that has collateral damage too. Thereby demonstrating that Pakistan Army considers the lives of Pakistani's more important than Afghans.
That is how it is for all nations.

I will discuss Pakistan in a different thread right now the thread at hand you cant seem to handle and keep derailing just like every other person who is supporting Israel!

So if Hamas were using swords, you would recommend that Israelis should also use swords to fight Hamas instead of guns.
This is not the middle ages Talon. Hamas is trying to kill common men,women and children of Israel with the resources Hamas has, Israel is trying to kill Hamas with the resources that Israel has.
The only difference is that Hamas is targeting normal Israeli's, but Israel is targeting Hamas. It just so happens that Hamas loves to hide behind civilians, mosques, hospitals and apartment blocks.

How the bloody hell can you target Hamas by firing every 5 mins (yea how far can you run in 5mins?)

How the bloody hell is Hamas target in a densely populated area? If you know they are in that masjid or hospital then go on foot you cowards! Go on foot! But of course you dont care about Palestinians hence rather sit in your base and kill anyone you please and tell the world it was terrorist!

Akheilos, you're being deliberately moronic.
As I said (and you ignored) Israel disengaged fully from Gaza, but of course could not just leave and overnight everything is free for plaestinians to bring in tanks through the border if they wanted.

I didnt ignore I answered you with an article while you produced nothing but the I said so attitude! Sorry but go take that attitude elsewhere!

The plan calls for the withdrawal of Jewish settlers and the redeployment of Israeli troops to posts on the Israeli side of the border with Gaza, while Israel will retain control of Gaza's borders, coastline, and airspace. Israel is reserving the right to launch incursions into Gaza, and will continue to control Gaza's economy and trade, telecommunications, water, electricity, and sewage networks.
The plan explicitly envisions the demolition of hundreds more homes along the Gaza-Egypt border in order to expand the buffer zone there.
The plan states that the disengagement 'will serve to dispel the claims regarding Israel's responsibility for the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.'
In fact, under international humanitarian law, the steps envisioned will not end Israel's occupation of the territory, and Israel will retain responsibility for the welfare of Gaza's civilian population."

^^ Is from the UN not my words at all...Controlling all trade, water, electricity everything and then you say they moved out?

The border with Israel was open - of course Israel will control that. The border with Egypt was open - monitored by EU, controlled by Egypt. The port was open.

Palestine is their land too so the truth comes out they didnt leave Gaza they left the border open and asked the Palestinians to go out of Palestine ...I guess you are lost in this thread when I talked about the border and port I talked about 2014 while you are stuck in 2005! Get your facts right!

Israel also said if there was quiet they would open the airport there.
Only a moron would assume that Israel would leave the territory and overnight everything is open.

What did they leave when the UN report clearly states they controlled everything!

Did the allies leave Germany the day after the surrender? they stayed for years. British and American troops stayed for DECADES.
What Israel said to the palestinans was PROVE you can govern Gaza in peace and everything will open.
But on the SAME day as Israel withdrawing from Gaza, they were firing rockets - so of course they won't have anything open.
Their answer to everything has always been rockets and suicide bombers.
Even on the eve of signing a peace treaty with Jordan, the palestinians blew up a bus killing over 20 Israelis to try and derail the peace accords/.

Why are you deliberately ignoring the UN report and going on your rant?

 

[Osnaz]

Palestine is their land too so the truth comes out they didnt leave Gaza they left the border open and asked the Palestinians to go out of Palestine ...

Wow, you literally have no brain.

 

[Dubious]

Wow, you literally have no brain.

look whose talking....

You vs the world:

 

[Falcon29]

@Hazzy997

time to open your eyes

About what? These are a few clown commentators on Egyptian local television. Many of them were doing the opposite pressuring their leadership.

I like how this Israeli double user is posing as a Lebanese but also has a misleading title. When in reality it's Israel that attacked all Palestinians in both territories.

My views don't revolve around who supports Gaza or not. The truth still is that our governments in the Middle East are unlikable. If I looked at from who supported Gaza I wouldn't be a Muslim.

 

[ResurgentIran]

You're using hyperbole and inflammatory language but have no actual content.

Israel left Gaza in its entirety in 2005. When Israel left, Gaza was open. There was no blockade, the border with Egypt was open with EU monitors, the border with Israel was open every day and the port was open.

Additionally, Israel said that if there was quiet after withdrawal, they would allow for the airport in Gaza to open.

Had palestinians decided to better their lives instead of attacking Israel, they would now have a functioning airport and an open territory.

Instead, in 2005 they put their rocket launchers onto the vacated land (which brought Israel into closer range) and started firing rockets daily.

The blockade only came in 2007 after rockets, and Hamas taking power, killing Fatah and forcing the EU monitors out from the Rafah crossing.

So let's get the facts straight here.

This is a false narrative and propaganda that is always repeated.
Israel left Gaza (but only ground precense), but they still control every aspect of life in the Gaza strip.
Water, electricity, airspace etc.

There is a barbaric embargo on Gaza, imposed by Israel, so please mention that next time you say "Israel left Gaza"...

 

[notsuperstitious]

You're using hyperbole and inflammatory language but have no actual content.

Just ive up dude. I have, as i find murder of logic and reason using a blunt knife quite painful.