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[proud_indian]

3. France helped HAL to develop engine for Helicopter and gave 70% real TOT, US will not even give 10%.

can you plz put some light on this?

 

[kurup]

can you plz put some light on this?

Shakti engine used in Dhruv was co-developed by HAL with France .

“The Shakti engine, developed jointly by Turbomeca (French) and HAL, develops almost 30 per cent more power compared to the TM 333-2B2 engine, with 19 per cent content of Indian development,” Mr Baweja said.

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited

 

[MehrotraPrince]

can you plz put some light on this?

There is an agreed transfer of technology plan with HAL for Ardiden1 (Shakti) in four phases. In phase 1, we provide the complete engine to HAL and in the following phases HAL will gradually manufacture. In the ultimate phase, HAL will manufacture 70 per cent of the engine, with Turbomeca providing 30 per cent of smaller kits.” On where the program was currently, Philippe said “it is between phase 1 and 2” and that the ultimate phase would depend on the helicopter development program of HAL.

Year: 2012

 

[MehrotraPrince]

Shakti engine used in Dhruv was co-developed by HAL with France .

“The Shakti engine, developed jointly by Turbomeca (French) and HAL, develops almost 30 per cent more power compared to the TM 333-2B2 engine, with 19 per cent content of Indian development,” Mr Baweja said.

Hindustan Aeronautics Limited

You are quoting the Indian work portion, 19 % contribution was from indian side.
Total TOT agreement was for 70%, i.e. in phased manner France will transfer real TOT of engine, which is 70%. No one transfers 100% TOT, so we will be still dependent on France for rest 30% which could be overcome by only R&D.

We are already developing more powerful engine for our medium class helicopter which is purely indigenous effort from HAL and DRDO (please don't ask for link, it not in public knowledge, wait for couple of years you will know it).

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

We are already developing more powerful engine for our medium class helicopter which is purely indigenous effort from HAL and DRDO (please don't ask for link, it not in public knowledge, wait for couple of years you will know it).

tumhare muh me ghee shakkar !!

We are already developing more powerful engine for our medium class helicopter which is purely indigenous effort from HAL and DRDO (please don't ask for link, it not in public knowledge, wait for couple of years you will know it).

Will that replace shakti?

 

[kurup]

We are already developing more powerful engine for our medium class helicopter which is purely indigenous effort from HAL and DRDO (please don't ask for link, it not in public knowledge, wait for couple of years you will know it).

If that is the case , you revealing it in open is not good .

 

[MehrotraPrince]

tumhare muh me ghee shakkar !!



Will that replace shakti?

Both engines have different power bands, but yes after successful development of our desi engine, we will surely replace 30% french content from Shakti engine. But it will take time, my personal assumption is minimum 4-5 years or could be couple of years more (purely dependent upon how fast we put our desi engine in production mode).

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

Both engines have different power bands, but yes after successful development of our desi engine, we will surely replace 30% french content from Shakti engine. But it will take time, my personal assumption is minimum 4-5 years or could be couple of years more (purely dependent upon how fast we put our desi engine in production mode).

great!

 

[MehrotraPrince]

If that is the case , you revealing it in open is not good .

Its not a top secret, only thing is that our yellow journalists are not interested in whats going inside our R&D agencies, they are more interested in spicy and mirch-masala news.

 

[nik22]

If that is the case , you revealing it in open is not good .

Nothing secret about that. It is an engine anyway

 

[kurup]

Its not a top secret, only thing is that our yellow journalists are not interested in whats going inside our R&D agencies, they are more interested in spicy and mirch-masala news.

Nothing secret about that. It is an engine anyway

If the news is out in the open , no problem .

If it's classified , even if the tech in not some top secret , revealing it out in public without govt. consent is not good .

 

[proud_indian]

@kurup @MehrotraPrince @nik22 @jarves @Indo-guy

this is what mr. Prasun K. Sengupta has to say on this

1) No one is producing the Ardiden-1H/Shakti engines in India. They are only be licence-assembled & contain less than 10% of Made-in-India components. IPR for this engine is owned by SNECMA Moteurs/Turbomeca.

HAL will go broke for good if it were to establish its own manufacturing line for any new-generation turboshaft or turbofan engine. Ardiden-1H/Shakti engine was never co-developed by HAL. HAL only supplied the Dhruv ALH’s engine compartment & gearbox blueprints so that the engine could be successfully mounted on the airframe. So far, GTRE has taken only the first few baby-steps by developing small turbofans like that used for Nirbhay & the Laghu Shakthi turbofan for a MALE-UCAV, while HAL has so far developed only the PTAE-7 turbojet. No one has so far even tried to design & build engines for helicopters or turboprop-powered aircraft.
TRISHUL: HAL's Light Utility Helicopter

 

[MehrotraPrince]

@kurup @MehrotraPrince @nik22 @jarves @IndoGuy

this is what mr. Prasun K. Sengupta has to say on this

1) No one is producing the Ardiden-1H/Shakti engines in India. They are only be licence-assembled & contain less than 10% of Made-in-India components. IPR for this engine is owned by SNECMA Moteurs/Turbomeca.

HAL will go broke for good if it were to establish its own manufacturing line for any new-generation turboshaft or turbofan engine. Ardiden-1H/Shakti engine was never co-developed by HAL. HAL only supplied the Dhruv ALH’s engine compartment & gearbox blueprints so that the engine could be successfully mounted on the airframe. So far, GTRE has taken only the first few baby-steps by developing small turbofans like that used for Nirbhay & the Laghu Shakthi turbofan for a MALE-UCAV, while HAL has so far developed only the PTAE-7 turbojet. No one has so far even tried to design & build engines for helicopters or turboprop-powered aircraft.
TRISHUL: HAL's Light Utility Helicopter

He is known as Prasoon Chor Gupta, you know that?
Either you believe HAL + Safran or a yellow Journalist, its up to you.
Both links are before you, its for you to understand and decide who is correct and who is wrong?

 

[jarves]

If that is the case , you revealing it in open is not good .

I read that in BR forum.

 

[proud_indian]

He is known as Prasoon Chor Gupta, you know that?
Either you believe HAL + Safran or a yellow Journalist, its up to you.
Both links are before you, its for you to understand and decide who is correct and who is wrong?

It might be your perception towards him.
What i think is, he is more informed than most of the desi journalists u r talkin abt.

you must come with some credible sources to back your claim rather than some internal sources
as engine development is not kind of classified technology that drdo has to hide from the world.