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[Black Widow]

 

[luckyyy]

Sacho hasn't answered any of my questions still. He is trying hard to paint Kaveri as failed design.

His desperation has increased after successful Kaveri flights. Even IAF has refused Snecma's ec-Core now. GTRE has decided to use Indian core inside Kaveri for AMCA.

After successful flights tests and design validation of Kaveri in Russia, IAF has vetoed Snecma eco-core and has asked GTRE to go ahead with home-grown Kabini core for AMCA engine. Snecma's role in the yet-tobe-signed JV is being reduced further now, as we speak.

Mirage2k in IAF service has a empty weight of 7500kg , if we add 3000kg of fuel and 2500kg of weapons onto it the total weight gets to 13000kg , with maximum trust of 95kn of the TWR comes to 0.73

LC-mk1 has a empty weight of 6500kg adding 3000kg of fuel and 2500kg of weapons the total weight comes at 12000kg , with the maximun thrust of F404IN at 87kn the TWR comes at 0.725.
whereas IAF resonably happy with mirage , the low thrust of LCA mk1 always been tounted...

 

[kingdurgaking]

Mirage2k in IAF service has a empty weight of 7500kg , if we add 3000kg of fuel and 2500kg of weapons onto it the total weight gets to 13000kg , with maximum trust of 95kn of the TWR comes to 0.73

LC-mk1 has a empty weight of 6500kg adding 3000kg of fuel and 2500kg of weapons the total weight comes at 12000kg , with the maximun thrust of F404IN at 87kn the TWR comes at 0.725.
whereas IAF resonably happy with mirage , the low thrust of LCA mk1 always been tounted...

Since IAF has found the light at the end of the tunnel.. thats why the initial MRCA is converted into MMRCA to hold Tejas... but take in as a real monster..

 

[MumbaiIndians]

Mirage2k in IAF service has a empty weight of 7500kg , if we add 3000kg of fuel and 2500kg of weapons onto it the total weight gets to 13000kg , with maximum trust of 95kn of the TWR comes to 0.73

LC-mk1 has a empty weight of 6500kg adding 3000kg of fuel and 2500kg of weapons the total weight comes at 12000kg , with the maximun thrust of F404IN at 87kn the TWR comes at 0.725.
whereas IAF resonably happy with mirage , the low thrust of LCA mk1 always been tounted...

Well said.

MRCA is purely a waste of taxpayer money. Advantages of LCA far outweighs costs and liabilities of MRCA.

Better scrap MRCA, focus on LCA. And, allow DRDO to pay kickbacks to babus, reporters and politicians.

 

[Indian-Devil]

Thats not a correct statement. As per the plan Tejas was designed to replace large no of ageing Mig-21s in late 90s or early 2000. Since Tejas program got delayed due to various factors and IOC came just few months back only and still its suffering from low thrust and Tejas Mk2 will come in picture not before 2015-16. Due to these delays IAF went for temp. fixes like upgrade to Bison standards for few squadrons and some possibility of increasing the MRCA no by 60-70.

MRCA concept was completly different and IAF realized its requirement during Kargil conflict where dedicated Strike aircrafts like Mig-27 were not able to do the required jobs and only Mirage did the job required in Kargil being a multirole aircraft and IAF wanted to go for few more sqadrons of Mirage fighters only. Later other aircraft manufacturers came in picture and complete saga is still running. So main purpose of MRCA program was to replace current strike aircrafts in IAF.

So Tejas and MRCA program are different, although there is a possibilty that Tejas Mk2 will be better platform which can play role of Multirole aircraft but that is 5-6 years away minimum. And IAF can not wait for that time frame. Along with that if we look at the threat situation at both the fronts (East n West) i think MRCA still required in good nos. IAF and MoD did a great job by selecting Rafale and Eurofighter for next round of the bidding process. Both platforms are equipped with state of the art technologies.

 

[Black Widow]

Mirage2k in IAF service has a empty weight of 7500kg , if we add 3000kg of fuel and 2500kg of weapons onto it the total weight gets to 13000kg , with maximum trust of 95kn of the TWR comes to 0.73

LC-mk1 has a empty weight of 6500kg adding 3000kg of fuel and 2500kg of weapons the total weight comes at 12000kg , with the maximun thrust of F404IN at 87kn the TWR comes at 0.725.
whereas IAF resonably happy with mirage , the low thrust of LCA mk1 always been tounted...

Coz LCA is not French, and LCA deal will not fetch commission (with French wine and girl)...

Well said.

MRCA is purely a waste of taxpayer money. Advantages of LCA far outweighs costs and liabilities of MRCA.

Better scrap MRCA, focus on LCA. And, allow DRDO to pay kickbacks to babus, reporters and politicians.

Wrong Assessment, MMRCA is needed. LCA to fill the MiG21, MMRCA to complement the Mirage2K, Jaguar and MiG23/27.. Both are different plane, both have different role to play...

You can't use MMRCA for point defense role, while LCA is made for this role... AMCA will fill the MMRCA gap when completed...

And MumbaiIndian was talking bout Mirage 2000 not MMRCA..


Read Indian Devil Post, He has correctly elaborated the need of MMRCA

 

[RPK]

IIM-A-incubated firms boost defence firepower - The Times of India


AHMEDABAD: Given the secrecy around it, sealing business deals with Indian defence organisations is a benchmark most companies dream to create. Three start-ups incubated at IIM-Ahmedabad's Centre for Innovation, Incubation and Entrepreneurship (CIIE) have done something large companies strive to achieve — supply products to the Indian armed forces.

So, India's much-awaited light combat aircraft 'Tejas' will have an Ahmedabad connection. The aircraft, which will be inducted into the Indian Air Force by next year, will use ceramic sensors supplied by a company incubated at CIIE, Ants Ceramics.

"Our sensor project for the aircraft began eight months ago," said Ashiwini Jain, co-founder of the company which is a venture by IIT-Kharagpur faculty and graduates to manufacture high-end ceramic components for industrial applications.

The company also supplies custom-made ceramics to Defence Research and Development Organisation, Bhabha Atomic Research Centre and Gandhinagar-based Institute of Plasma Research and has half-a-dozen patents on its techniques.

Gridbots is an artificial intelligence start-up which manufactures a suite of robotics products, supplies robots to the Indian Navy, Indian Army, BARC, among others.

The company, incubated at CIIE since 2009, has products such as a combat robot equipped with camera and GPS navigation that can be used in hazardous environments and is designed to carry heavy payloads.

The robot can also carry armour and light guns which can be remotely operated. "We supply products to the armed forces and have also been exporting a few products. If it were not for CIIE, it would have taken us a long time to reach where we are today," said Pulkit Gaur, founder, Gridbots.

Another firm, Baruni Systems supplies operations management and domain awareness solutions including mobile devices to armed forces.

Incubated at CIIE in July 2010 — 33 companies have been incubated here — Baruni Systems has been founded by two former defence personnel, an architect and an entrepreneur.

 

[MumbaiIndians]

You can't use MMRCA for point defense role, while LCA is made for this role... AMCA will fill the MMRCA gap when completed...

Do you expect IAF to come out and speak otherwise? Air marshal will be transferred next day.

MRCA is a waste of money and Mirage upgrade($40 million for single plane) is even bigger blunder.

 

[sancho]

whereas IAF resonably happy with mirage , the low thrust of LCA mk1 always been tounted...

Which is understandable, when you look at the changes planed for MK2 and keep in mind they are aimed for? It's not the TWR that is bad for LCA MK1, mainly it should be drag that limits the aerodynamical performance and that's why it didn't met all the planed requirements so far. The higher thrust engine is the easiest solution to counter the problems and make it at least as capable as planed.

 

[kingdurgaking]

Which is understandable, when you look at the changes planed for MK2 and keep in mind they are aimed for? It's not the TWR that is bad for LCA MK1, mainly it should be drag that limits the aerodynamical performance and that's why it didn't met all the planed requirements so far. The higher thrust engine is the easiest solution to counter the problems and make it at least as capable as planed.

i guess there is a redesign to solve the drag issues apart from High thrust enginge.. There is a plan to bring down the empty weight also.. Trust me.. MK2 if it comes out... it will be a smallest monster all togther.. with more useful payload and more internal fuel... to say a 1200 litre is going in....

 

[wind]

LCA success is required more for face saving of DRDO and Govt of India. I will be happy if Tejas can prove that it is better than current Mig21's and MK2 = Mig 21 Bison

Somehow bring it on

 

[wind]

Well said.

MRCA is purely a waste of taxpayer money. Advantages of LCA far outweighs costs and liabilities of MRCA.

Better scrap MRCA, focus on LCA. And, allow DRDO to pay kickbacks to babus, reporters and politicians.

PAF would be happy if you were IAF chief

 

[sancho]

i guess there is a redesign to solve the drag issues apart from High thrust enginge.. There is a plan to bring down the empty weight also.. Trust me.. MK2 if it comes out... it will be a smallest monster all togther.. with more useful payload and more internal fuel... to say a 1200 litre is going in....

From what we know so far it won't, only aiframe changes are meant to integrate the new engine and additional fuel tanks. I have no doubts about LCA MK2 getting a good fighter, or that it still has good potential, that's why I would love to see our industry and forces to focus more on it and further upgrades (K/S engines with TVC, AESA, passive detection sensors, or a weapon pod), instead of wasting the money for AMCA now.

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

From what we know so far it won't, only aiframe changes are meant to integrate the new engine and additional fuel tanks. I have no doubts about LCA MK2 getting a good fighter, or that it still has good potential, that's why I would love to see our industry and forces to focus more on it and further upgrades (K/S engines with TVC, AESA, passive detection sensors, or a weapon pod), instead of wasting the money for AMCA now.

wasting money on AMCA ? if we start now then only we can make it by 2025 -30.

 

[MumbaiIndians]

Sancho and his trolling. Oh yeah