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[kingdurgaking]

Why do we tend to put pride over logic?

If Kaveri engine was meant as an tech demonstrator for first indigenous engine developments, I would totally agree with you and say, it is a good accomplishment, but that simply wasn't the aim!
Kaveri was meant to power LCA and as long as it can't do that by meeting the requirements it is the failed part of the LCA project. This failure combined with the bad planing caused most of the delays for Tejas and we have to learn from this by admiting it, investigating where the problems where, what we can do better next time...instead of downplaying it!

I am happy that we started these indigenous developments, but I don't see why we should celebrate it, if it didn't help us in our projects. Just like I don't celebrate the roll out of N-LCA, or every test of LCA prototypes, but why I was happy after the IOC was done and why I will be more than happy when the serial production starts and we field the MK1 into operational service, because then we really have achieved something!

Simple question to you...
1)of all the R&D happening in the world.. is everything successful?...
2)What is your objective?? we should never do indegenous stuff??....

Kaveri though not implemented.. it has achieved 90-95% of the target... yes not exceeded or met the goal... but knowledge has helped in developing the same for Marine... MBT.... dont you think it is a valid to consider a pride?.. we are trying and the project is not scrapped.. we are still developing...
until the project is scrapped or closed... it is not a failure.. there is still a ray of hope...

Secondly... Requirement has changed.... it has changed by a large margin ... it is very much clear from thrust requirement 85KN is increased to 95 KN... which is openly admitted by IAF... if thrust is changed it means lot of substems are getting changed or the requirement has changed by a large margin..

 

[Firemaster]

^^^buddy sancho want to say that why world's most military r&d failure happens in India
reason bad planning, corruption , lack of experienced persons , ego for not reverse engg. , lack of more funds etc.

 

[sancho]

Simple question to you...
1)of all the R&D happening in the world.. is everything successful?...
2)What is your objective?? we should never do indegenous stuff??...

Come on, I said it often enough that I am for indigenous developments, but only when we benefit from them. Limiting the LCA project to Kaveri insted was clearly a big mistake and a clear sign of overestimation!
Indigenous engine developments are crucial, no doubt about that, but we should have done it alongside a safe alternative for LCA (like any other country does anyway), or with experienced foreign help.

Kaveri though not implemented.. it has achieved 90-95% of the target...

Any proves that would confirm this?

the project is not scrapped.. we are still developing...
until the project is scrapped or closed... it is not a failure.. there is still a ray of hope...

It is delinked from LCA, at least unless it meet the requirements, be it for MK1, or MK2, which means so far it is scrapped. The developments now are purely to improve indigenous engine developments, with out a practical use other than as a demo engine.

Secondly... Requirement has changed.... it has changed by a large margin ... it is very much clear from thrust requirement 85KN is increased to 95 KN...

From MK1 to MK2, but as mentioned before, if Kaver K9 would offer comparable thrust and weight as GE 404, the 2nd MK1 squad wouldn't need more foreign engines right?

 

[MumbaiIndians]

Sacho hasn't answered any of my questions still. He is trying hard to paint Kaveri as failed design.

His desperation has increased after successful Kaveri flights. Even IAF has refused Snecma's ec-Core now. GTRE has decided to use Indian core inside Kaveri for AMCA.

After successful flights tests and design validation of Kaveri in Russia, IAF has vetoed Snecma eco-core and has asked GTRE to go ahead with home-grown Kabini core for AMCA engine. Snecma's role in the yet-tobe-signed JV is being reduced further now, as we speak.

 

[rockalili]

I do not know much about LCA . But there is a famious joke in China , that is :

History belongs to S. Korea
today belongs to TaiWan
and .....
Future belongs to India .
India always say : We will...... , We about to ......., We plan to .....
Ho...., my 'Lady gaga'

 

[Ghoster]

I do not know much about LCA . But there is a famious joke in China , that is :

History belongs to S. Korea
today belongs to TaiWan
and .....
Future belongs to India .
India always say : We will...... , We about to ......., We plan to .....
Ho...., my 'Lady gaga'

Thanks for your input chinese troll.......Now go away

 

[rockalili]

This is my first time to talk with india people . I find my self made a wrong step . Yes , you are right , i will absolutely go away from india people . Because i do not like curry . remember wash your mouth and boday.......

 

[ARCHON]

^^^^

Derailing and offtopic. Why nobody reported the posts yet?

 

[kingdurgaking]

I do not know much about LCA . But there is a famious joke in China , that is :

History belongs to S. Korea
today belongs to TaiWan
and .....
Future belongs to India .
India always say : We will...... , We about to ......., We plan to .....
Ho...., my 'Lady gaga'

Yeah as a joke it is very funny... but In reality you understand the power that is why your sensation coupled with burning made you to register and put the first message on an Indian section that too on an Indigenous powerful product....

 

[rockalili]

I do not know much about LCA . But there is a famious joke in China , that is :

History belongs to S. Korea
today belongs to TaiWan
and .....
Future belongs to India .
India always say : We will...... , We about to ......., We plan to .....
Ho...., my 'Lady gaga'
Original Post By rockalili
Yeah as a joke it is very funny... but In reality you understand the power that is why your sensation coupled with burning made you to register and put the first message on an Indian section that too on an Indigenous powerful product....
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OK ,Thanks . I remember the new word "LCA" . And also i remember the words so called "Indigenous powerful product.... LCA!"

 

[ARCHON]

^^^^^

Again trolling on threads.. where are mods?

 

[satishkumarcsc]

I do not know much about LCA . But there is a famious joke in China , that is :

History belongs to S. Korea
today belongs to TaiWan
and .....
Future belongs to India .
India always say : We will...... , We about to ......., We plan to .....
Ho...., my 'Lady gaga'

And China is no where in the time line....first sort it out and then you can rant about it.

 

[Nirvana]

This is my first time to talk with india people . I find my self made a wrong step . Yes , you are right , i will absolutely go away from india people . Because i do not like curry . remember wash your mouth and boday.......

Why hide Behind a false flag ?? Get a Life , We know you are Not chinese
Get Outta This Thread rather Than Trolling

 

[kingdurgaking]

I do not know much about LCA . But there is a famious joke in China , that is :

History belongs to S. Korea
today belongs to TaiWan
and .....
Future belongs to India .
India always say : We will...... , We about to ......., We plan to .....
Ho...., my 'Lady gaga'
Original Post By rockalili
Yeah as a joke it is very funny... but In reality you understand the power that is why your sensation coupled with burning made you to register and put the first message on an Indian section that too on an Indigenous powerful product....
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OK ,Thanks . I remember the new word "LCA" . And also i remember the words so called "Indigenous powerful product.... LCA!"

Good stick around to learn lot of new stuff..

 

[rockalili]

Why hide Behind a false flag ?? Get a Life , We know you are Not chinese
Get Outta This Thread rather Than Trolling

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siencely speaking , i am half Chinese . Because i live in China more than 9 years .