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Some american says that, indian LCA fighter is better than the performance of JF - 17 more? So, let us fight in the sky。

Dear Frd, rytnow both fighter r on paper plan u can say that paf has no -8 jf-17 but these all PT version. if u see the conf. it not much deference same thrust engine in blk1 & mk-1 RD-99 & GE404 (52kn DT & A/B 85KN) also lca start production after 1-2 yr later then jf-17 (already start production in pak.) In blk-1 Both AF get 20 in lca & Jf-17 50.
But in bk-2 lca has upper hand it is already in process engine soon finalize (GE414 or ej200) both are combat proven engine also ASEA may be el-2052 or may be the winner of MMRCA. but in th case of jf-17 it is not finalize which engine Chinese or western and what kind of radar they install in it also paf has fund shortage(Ist blk loan by Chinese) otherwise if the plane is ready 2 yr ago why they r not add any plan ??????
 
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Some american says that, indian LCA fighter is better than the performance of JF - 17 more? So, let us fight in the sky。

:rofl::rofl::rofl:
Hunter my friend it seems u enjoy flamy threads so thats a good idea to through the match,sit back and relax :chilli::chilli:
 
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JF-17 inputs build by china. LCA inputs would be israel or french or both mix. If china better in inputs than israel and french than yep JF-17 better.
Care to explain, what do you imply by inputs?
 
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Italy <<Progress>> in reporting that the Italian government recently announced that the latest successful development of the ground effect of long-range anti-radar stealth out, and that the passive radar can detect and discover the whereabouts of F22. Tests showed that 3 times and found that simulation of intercepting F22, a success. Airborne role can reach 140 kilometers away from the ground to reach 1,800-kilometer range.


It is learned that China has successfully developed a long-term ground-based passive radar system. The role of the system can reach 1,500 kilometers distance. Airborne systems are also at the same time. Recently, the Italian military said the trade sector is being carried out in consultation with the Chinese Anti-stealth technology. Message states that it is worth noting that technology exchange instead of in is the introduction.
Come on,welcome the Indian LCA, SUK-30MKI fighters and so elite, you boldly fly over the Tibet airspace, and our farmers will consider the use of bamboo poles to beat down the fighters when in necessary. We will use the best pork privileges your pilots.
 
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Italy <<Progress>> in reporting that the Italian government recently announced that the latest successful development of the ground effect of long-range anti-radar stealth out, and that the passive radar can detect and discover the whereabouts of F22. Tests showed that 3 times and found that simulation of intercepting F22, a success. Airborne role can reach 140 kilometers away from the ground to reach 1,800-kilometer range.


It is learned that China has successfully developed a long-term ground-based passive radar system. The role of the system can reach 1,500 kilometers distance. Airborne systems are also at the same time. Recently, the Italian military said the trade sector is being carried out in consultation with the Chinese Anti-stealth technology. Message states that it is worth noting that technology exchange instead of in is the introduction.
Come on,welcome the Indian LCA, SUK-30MKI fighters and so elite, you boldly fly over the Tibet airspace, and our farmers will consider the use of bamboo poles to beat down the fighters when in necessary. We will use the best pork privileges your pilots.

This comment should be in the military jokes section and not in this thread:lol:
 
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Italy <<Progress>> in reporting that the Italian government recently announced that the latest successful development of the ground effect of long-range anti-radar stealth out, and that the passive radar can detect and discover the whereabouts of F22. Tests showed that 3 times and found that simulation of intercepting F22, a success. Airborne role can reach 140 kilometers away from the ground to reach 1,800-kilometer range.


It is learned that China has successfully developed a long-term ground-based passive radar system. The role of the system can reach 1,500 kilometers distance. Airborne systems are also at the same time. Recently, the Italian military said the trade sector is being carried out in consultation with the Chinese Anti-stealth technology. Message states that it is worth noting that technology exchange instead of in is the introduction.
Come on,welcome the Indian LCA, SUK-30MKI fighters and so elite, you boldly fly over the Tibet airspace, and our farmers will consider the use of bamboo poles to beat down the fighters when in necessary. We will use the best pork privileges your pilots.

India has successfully developed a radar that has range upto 5000 KM which directly activate the Lazer Beem that can shoot down any cheap low technology chinese jet fighters within seconds. Believe me? That was joke by me but ur joke was better than mine lol. Friend time to wake up. China is china. They cant jump long from zero to hero. Let me know does developed countries made that radar yet? China already went ahead? Lol. i thought russia is china's master. You not only beaten russia but also western developed countries (in your dreams) lol. By the way is that italy same country whose president made fun of obama? And than later he caught up with some lady? Than he suddenly said its america who doing this he he. That man is funny. Do some research on him. He giving italy bad name just like mafia's gave italy bad name lol. cheers friend.
 
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Italy <<Progress>> in reporting that the Italian government recently announced that the latest successful development of the ground effect of long-range anti-radar stealth out, and that the passive radar can detect and discover the whereabouts of F22. Tests showed that 3 times and found that simulation of intercepting F22, a success. Airborne role can reach 140 kilometers away from the ground to reach 1,800-kilometer range.


It is learned that China has successfully developed a long-term ground-based passive radar system. The role of the system can reach 1,500 kilometers distance. Airborne systems are also at the same time. Recently, the Italian military said the trade sector is being carried out in consultation with the Chinese Anti-stealth technology. Message states that it is worth noting that technology exchange instead of in is the introduction.
Come on,welcome the Indian LCA, SUK-30MKI fighters and so elite, you boldly fly over the Tibet airspace, and our farmers will consider the use of bamboo poles to beat down the fighters when in necessary. We will use the best pork privileges your pilots.

By the friend LCA and Sukhoi-30MKI aint stealth lol. Specially sukhoi-30MKI which is huge jet fighter. U should have said PAK-FA, MCA lol cheers.
 
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Italy <<Progress>> in reporting that the Italian government recently announced that the latest successful development of the ground effect of long-range anti-radar stealth out, and that the passive radar can detect and discover the whereabouts of F22. Tests showed that 3 times and found that simulation of intercepting F22, a success. Airborne role can reach 140 kilometers away from the ground to reach 1,800-kilometer range.


It is learned that China has successfully developed a long-term ground-based passive radar system. The role of the system can reach 1,500 kilometers distance. Airborne systems are also at the same time. Recently, the Italian military said the trade sector is being carried out in consultation with the Chinese Anti-stealth technology. Message states that it is worth noting that technology exchange instead of in is the introduction.
Come on,welcome the Indian LCA, SUK-30MKI fighters and so elite, you boldly fly over the Tibet airspace, and our farmers will consider the use of bamboo poles to beat down the fighters when in necessary. We will use the best pork privileges your pilots.
:rofl::rofl:
seriously i laughed for like 10 mins on this Thank u bro
 
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A COMPARISON BETWEEN JF-17 AND LCA



Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder – An AnalysisComments (12) | Trackback
Published Sunday, April 01, 2007 by Mihir.
“On March 23 2007, two JF-17 “Thunder” fighters took to the skies for the first time in Pakistan as a part of the Pakistan Day celebrations. Touted to be Pakistan’s first home made fighter, the JF-17 is expected to be the Pakistan Air Force’s frontline fighter well into the future. With this article, I’ve made an attempt to examine the JF-17 in the Indo-Pak context. But first, some background information on the program.
The program began in 1986 as the Super-7, when China signed a $550 million deal with Grumman to modernise its fleet of J-7 (MiG-21s manufactured in China under license) fighters. The United States ceased technical assistance following the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989, and the project almost ground to a halt. However, Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (CAC) managed to keep the program alive with its own resources, as the FC-1. The project got a new lease of life in 1999, when Pakistan and China signed an agreement to “jointly” develop and produce the FC-1 with both countries contributing 50% of the funds. Russia’s Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group provided technical assistance. The FC-1 (Designated JF-17 “Thunder” by Pakistan) was supposed to be a lightweight all-weather multi-role fighter, which would replace Pakistan’s fleet of Mirage-III, F-7, and A-5 aircraft, whose safety record is going downhill by the day. The Pakistani version would sport a Western avionics suite, which included the Italian Galileo Avionica Grifo S7 radar, a variant of which is already in service with the Pakistan Air Force on its F-7 fighters. It would be powered by one Russian Klimov RD-93 turbofan. The “Aviation Week & Space Technology” magazine reported in November 2006 that “Pakistani officials expect the first contract for 16 aircraft (split equally with China) to be awarded next year, with deliveries as early as 2007. A full-rate production contract would follow around 2009. Initially, Pakistan will provide 58% of the parts, but that is supposed to increase gradually to 100%.” The overall Pakistani requirement is expected to be around 150 fighters.
Although the Pakistanis tried to demonstrate with the Pakistan Day flypast that everything was tickety-boo, this is far from the truth. The Western avionics are nowhere to be seen, and supplier decisions do not appear to have been made. Radar integration, a challenging job under the best of circumstances, seems to have run into problems. The task is complicated in no small part by the lack of space available in the JF-17’s radome. It is now widely claimed that the first batch of Pakistani JF-17s will be equipped with Chinese avionics and radar. The weapons package is yet to be finalised. While China is expected to push its PL-9 dogfight missile and the yet untested SD-10 beyond visual range air to air missile, the South Africans have reportedly offered their A-Darter and T-Darter missiles. In January 2007, the head of the Russian Defence Ministry’s International Cooperation Department, Colonel-General Anatoly Mazurkevich, announced that Russia had “denied China the right to supply its JF-17 fighter aircraft powered by Russian RD-93 engines to third countries, asking it to sign an end-user certificate for the engines”. In Indian circles, this was taken to be a total Russian denial. Sinodefence.com, a Chinese military website reports that while five RD-93s have been purchased to power the prototypes, an agreement on the further purchase and re-export of the engine is still pending. To make things worse, the Chinese have yet to make any firm commitments, and appear to have lost interest in inducting the FC-1, preferring the more capable J-10 instead.
Given development time-frame and mission profile, comparisons between the JF-17 and India’s “Tejas” light combat aircraft are inevitable. But similarities, if any, are merely superficial. The Tejas, meant to replace India’s massive fleet of MiG-21s, is a wholly different project as far as technology is concerned. Its airframe, made of advanced carbon fibre composites, is light years ahead of the Thunder’s all-metal airframe. The ADA, HAL, and NAL invested considerable time, effort, and resources in its development, and came up with what is arguably one of the finest airframes in the world. The same goes for the Tejas’ aerodynamics which, because of the compound delta-wing, extensive wing-body blending, and low wing loading are superior to those of the Thunder, which has a more conventional layout along the lines of the MiG-21, the F-16, and a rejected Soviet light fighter design. As far as flight dynamics and control go, the Tejas, with its relaxed static stability and quadruplex, full authority fly-by-wire digital flight control system, is far more advanced than the Thunder, which still features conventional controls (fly-by-wire exists only for pitch control). The Tejas then, is a state of the art combat aircraft which will be India’s first step towards self-reliance. Program wise, it is more comparable to the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale, considering not just the technology involved, but also the scope of the project. In the light of this argument, its longer timeline is hardly surprising. But the Thunder, despite Pakistan’s best efforts to package it as “indigenous”, is anything but. Pakistan’s contribution to the design and development of the project is close to nothing. Even today, the plane does not sport any Pakistani systems. It is at best a cheap and low/medium-tech Chinese aircraft that Pakistan can mass produce. As Siva, a contributor on Bharat Rakshak points out, the JF-17 is more comparable to the HJT-36 Sitara intermediate jet trainer – since both have an all-metal airframe, conventional controls, and an externally sourced engine. And the Sitara was developed even faster than the Thunder.
This is not to say that the JF-17 is a bad aircraft. It will serve a very important purpose by giving Pakistan valuable experience in fighter aircraft manufacturing. It will help Pakistan rid itself of dependence on American weapons. It will give the flagging Pakistan Air Force a shot in the arm by beefing up numbers and providing it with decent beyond visual range combat capability. Dismissing it as “worthless” would be nothing short of stupid. My friend and aviation enthusiast Kartik sums it up beautifully: “If the Pakistanis integrate even a medium performance radar and use the SD-10 with it, it is a big threat to the Indian Air Force – just look at the MiG-21 Bison to see what an underestimated fighter can turn out to be. The Sukhoi Su-30K was also found to be a poor aircraft when the IAF first evaluated it, and then after all sweat and toil put into getting its avionics in place and the thrust vector controls, the Su-30MKI is a completely different beast! I somehow fear that the JF-17 shouldn’t prove to be a fighter that makes the Fulcrums, Mirages, Bisons almost on-par or just a little superior. Which is why the IAF needs a true fourth generation fighter to stay ahead – both airframe wise as well as avionics wise
 
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A COMPARISON BETWEEN JF-17 AND LCA



Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder – An AnalysisComments (12) | Trackback
Published Sunday, April 01, 2007 by Mihir.
“On March 23 2007, two JF-17 “Thunder” fighters took to the skies for the first time in Pakistan as a part of the Pakistan Day celebrations. Touted to be Pakistan’s first home made fighter, the JF-17 is expected to be the Pakistan Air Force’s frontline fighter well into the future. With this article, I’ve made an attempt to examine the JF-17 in the Indo-Pak context. But first, some background information on the program.
The program began in 1986 as the Super-7, when China signed a $550 million deal with Grumman to modernise its fleet of J-7 (MiG-21s manufactured in China under license) fighters. The United States ceased technical assistance following the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989, and the project almost ground to a halt. However, Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (CAC) managed to keep the program alive with its own resources, as the FC-1. The project got a new lease of life in 1999, when Pakistan and China signed an agreement to “jointly” develop and produce the FC-1 with both countries contributing 50% of the funds. Russia’s Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group provided technical assistance. The FC-1 (Designated JF-17 “Thunder” by Pakistan) was supposed to be a lightweight all-weather multi-role fighter, which would replace Pakistan’s fleet of Mirage-III, F-7, and A-5 aircraft, whose safety record is going downhill by the day. The Pakistani version would sport a Western avionics suite, which included the Italian Galileo Avionica Grifo S7 radar, a variant of which is already in service with the Pakistan Air Force on its F-7 fighters. It would be powered by one Russian Klimov RD-93 turbofan. The “Aviation Week & Space Technology” magazine reported in November 2006 that “Pakistani officials expect the first contract for 16 aircraft (split equally with China) to be awarded next year, with deliveries as early as 2007. A full-rate production contract would follow around 2009. Initially, Pakistan will provide 58% of the parts, but that is supposed to increase gradually to 100%.” The overall Pakistani requirement is expected to be around 150 fighters( its 250 now)
Although the Pakistanis tried to demonstrate with the Pakistan Day flypast that everything was tickety-boo, this is far from the truth. The Western avionics are nowhere to be seen, and supplier decisions do not appear to have been made. Radar integration, a challenging job under the best of circumstances, seems to have run into problems. The task is complicated in no small part by the lack of space available in the JF-17’s radome. It is now widely claimed that the first batch of Pakistani JF-17s will be equipped with Chinese avionics and radar. The weapons package is yet to be finalised. While China is expected to push its PL-9 dogfight missile and the yet untested SD-10 beyond visual range air to air missile, the South Africans have reportedly offered their A-Darter and T-Darter missiles. In January 2007, the head of the Russian Defence Ministry’s International Cooperation Department, Colonel-General Anatoly Mazurkevich, announced that Russia had “denied China the right to supply its JF-17 fighter aircraft powered by Russian RD-93 engines to third countries, asking it to sign an end-user certificate for the engines”. In Indian circles, this was taken to be a total Russian denial. Sinodefence.com, a Chinese military website reports that while five RD-93s have been purchased to power the prototypes, an agreement on the further purchase and re-export of the engine is still pending. To make things worse, the Chinese have yet to make any firm commitments, and appear to have lost interest in inducting the FC-1, preferring the more capable J-10 instead.
Given development time-frame and mission profile, comparisons between the JF-17 and India’s “Tejas” light combat aircraft are inevitable. But similarities, if any, are merely superficial. The Tejas, meant to replace India’s massive fleet of MiG-21s, is a wholly different project as far as technology is concerned. Its airframe, made of advanced carbon fibre composites, is light years ahead of the Thunder’s all-metal airframe. The ADA, HAL, and NAL invested considerable time, effort, and resources in its development, and came up with what is arguably one of the finest airframes in the world. The same goes for the Tejas’ aerodynamics which, because of the compound delta-wing, extensive wing-body blending, and low wing loading are superior to those of the Thunder, which has a more conventional layout along the lines of the MiG-21, the F-16, and a rejected Soviet light fighter design. As far as flight dynamics and control go, the Tejas, with its relaxed static stability and quadruplex, full authority fly-by-wire digital flight control system, is far more advanced than the Thunder, which still features conventional controls (fly-by-wire exists only for pitch control). The Tejas then, is a state of the art combat aircraft which will be India’s first step towards self-reliance. Program wise, it is more comparable to the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale :rofl::rofl:, considering not just the technology involved, but also the scope of the project. In the light of this argument, its longer timeline is hardly surprising. But the Thunder, despite Pakistan’s best efforts to package it as “indigenous”, is anything but. Pakistan’s contribution to the design and development of the project is close to nothing. Even today, the plane does not sport any Pakistani systems. It is at best a cheap and low/medium-tech Chinese aircraft that Pakistan can mass produce. As Siva, a contributor on Bharat Rakshak points out, the JF-17 is more comparable to the HJT-36 Sitara intermediate jet trainer – since both have an all-metal airframe, conventional controls, and an externally sourced engine. And the Sitara was developed even faster than the Thunder:cheesy::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:.
This is not to say that the JF-17 is a bad aircraft. It will serve a very important purpose by giving Pakistan valuable experience in fighter aircraft manufacturing. It will help Pakistan rid itself of dependence on American weapons. It will give the flagging Pakistan Air Force a shot in the arm by beefing up numbers and providing it with decent beyond visual range combat capability. Dismissing it as “worthless” would be nothing short of stupid. My friend and aviation enthusiast Kartik sums it up beautifully: “If the Pakistanis integrate even a medium performance radar and use the SD-10 with it, it is a big threat to the Indian Air Force – just look at the MiG-21 Bison to see what an underestimated fighter can turn out to be. The Sukhoi Su-30K was also found to be a poor aircraft when the IAF first evaluated it, and then after all sweat and toil put into getting its avionics in place and the thrust vector controls, the Su-30MKI is a completely different beast! I somehow fear that the JF-17 shouldn’t prove to be a fighter that makes the Fulcrums, Mirages, Bisons almost on-par or just a little superior. Which is why the IAF needs a true fourth generation fighter to stay ahead – both airframe wise as well as avionics wise

pretty old article and full of jokes and probably written by some stupid BR member
 
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A COMPARISON BETWEEN JF-17 AND LCA



Pakistan’s JF-17 Thunder – An AnalysisComments (12) | Trackback
Published Sunday, April 01, 2007 by Mihir.
“On March 23 2007, two JF-17 “Thunder” fighters took to the skies for the first time in Pakistan as a part of the Pakistan Day celebrations. Touted to be Pakistan’s first home made fighter, the JF-17 is expected to be the Pakistan Air Force’s frontline fighter well into the future. With this article, I’ve made an attempt to examine the JF-17 in the Indo-Pak context. But first, some background information on the program.
The program began in 1986 as the Super-7, when China signed a $550 million deal with Grumman to modernise its fleet of J-7 (MiG-21s manufactured in China under license) fighters. The United States ceased technical assistance following the Tiananmen Square massacre of 1989, and the project almost ground to a halt. However, Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (CAC) managed to keep the program alive with its own resources, as the FC-1. The project got a new lease of life in 1999, when Pakistan and China signed an agreement to “jointly” develop and produce the FC-1 with both countries contributing 50% of the funds. Russia’s Mikoyan Aero-Science Production Group provided technical assistance. The FC-1 (Designated JF-17 “Thunder” by Pakistan) was supposed to be a lightweight all-weather multi-role fighter, which would replace Pakistan’s fleet of Mirage-III, F-7, and A-5 aircraft, whose safety record is going downhill by the day. The Pakistani version would sport a Western avionics suite, which included the Italian Galileo Avionica Grifo S7 radar, a variant of which is already in service with the Pakistan Air Force on its F-7 fighters. It would be powered by one Russian Klimov RD-93 turbofan. The “Aviation Week & Space Technology” magazine reported in November 2006 that “Pakistani officials expect the first contract for 16 aircraft (split equally with China) to be awarded next year, with deliveries as early as 2007. A full-rate production contract would follow around 2009. Initially, Pakistan will provide 58% of the parts, but that is supposed to increase gradually to 100%.” The overall Pakistani requirement is expected to be around 150 fighters.
Although the Pakistanis tried to demonstrate with the Pakistan Day flypast that everything was tickety-boo, this is far from the truth. The Western avionics are nowhere to be seen, and supplier decisions do not appear to have been made. Radar integration, a challenging job under the best of circumstances, seems to have run into problems. The task is complicated in no small part by the lack of space available in the JF-17’s radome. It is now widely claimed that the first batch of Pakistani JF-17s will be equipped with Chinese avionics and radar. The weapons package is yet to be finalised. While China is expected to push its PL-9 dogfight missile and the yet untested SD-10 beyond visual range air to air missile, the South Africans have reportedly offered their A-Darter and T-Darter missiles. In January 2007, the head of the Russian Defence Ministry’s International Cooperation Department, Colonel-General Anatoly Mazurkevich, announced that Russia had “denied China the right to supply its JF-17 fighter aircraft powered by Russian RD-93 engines to third countries, asking it to sign an end-user certificate for the engines”. In Indian circles, this was taken to be a total Russian denial. Sinodefence.com, a Chinese military website reports that while five RD-93s have been purchased to power the prototypes, an agreement on the further purchase and re-export of the engine is still pending. To make things worse, the Chinese have yet to make any firm commitments, and appear to have lost interest in inducting the FC-1, preferring the more capable J-10 instead.
Given development time-frame and mission profile, comparisons between the JF-17 and India’s “Tejas” light combat aircraft are inevitable. But similarities, if any, are merely superficial. The Tejas, meant to replace India’s massive fleet of MiG-21s, is a wholly different project as far as technology is concerned. Its airframe, made of advanced carbon fibre composites, is light years ahead of the Thunder’s all-metal airframe. The ADA, HAL, and NAL invested considerable time, effort, and resources in its development, and came up with what is arguably one of the finest airframes in the world. The same goes for the Tejas’ aerodynamics which, because of the compound delta-wing, extensive wing-body blending, and low wing loading are superior to those of the Thunder, which has a more conventional layout along the lines of the MiG-21, the F-16, and a rejected Soviet light fighter design. As far as flight dynamics and control go, the Tejas, with its relaxed static stability and quadruplex, full authority fly-by-wire digital flight control system, is far more advanced than the Thunder, which still features conventional controls (fly-by-wire exists only for pitch control). The Tejas then, is a state of the art combat aircraft which will be India’s first step towards self-reliance. Program wise, it is more comparable to the Eurofighter Typhoon and Dassault Rafale, considering not just the technology involved, but also the scope of the project. In the light of this argument, its longer timeline is hardly surprising. But the Thunder, despite Pakistan’s best efforts to package it as “indigenous”, is anything but. Pakistan’s contribution to the design and development of the project is close to nothing. Even today, the plane does not sport any Pakistani systems. It is at best a cheap and low/medium-tech Chinese aircraft that Pakistan can mass produce. As Siva, a contributor on Bharat Rakshak points out, the JF-17 is more comparable to the HJT-36 Sitara intermediate jet trainer – since both have an all-metal airframe, conventional controls, and an externally sourced engine. And the Sitara was developed even faster than the Thunder.
This is not to say that the JF-17 is a bad aircraft. It will serve a very important purpose by giving Pakistan valuable experience in fighter aircraft manufacturing. It will help Pakistan rid itself of dependence on American weapons. It will give the flagging Pakistan Air Force a shot in the arm by beefing up numbers and providing it with decent beyond visual range combat capability. Dismissing it as “worthless” would be nothing short of stupid. My friend and aviation enthusiast Kartik sums it up beautifully: “If the Pakistanis integrate even a medium performance radar and use the SD-10 with it, it is a big threat to the Indian Air Force – just look at the MiG-21 Bison to see what an underestimated fighter can turn out to be. The Sukhoi Su-30K was also found to be a poor aircraft when the IAF first evaluated it, and then after all sweat and toil put into getting its avionics in place and the thrust vector controls, the Su-30MKI is a completely different beast! I somehow fear that the JF-17 shouldn’t prove to be a fighter that makes the Fulcrums, Mirages, Bisons almost on-par or just a little superior. Which is why the IAF needs a true fourth generation fighter to stay ahead – both airframe wise as well as avionics wise

These were one of the oldest articles in Livefist. And I know this guy Mihir from Orkut. This guy knows more about physics than anyone else in this board. But this article is crap because at the time he wrote this, The Radar wasn't finalised nor the engine. Things have changed.
 
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LCA&#8217;s induction into IAF in 2012

LCA&#8217;s induction into IAF in 2012: M M Palam Raju IDRW.ORG

The Light Combat Aircraft will be inducted into the Indian Air Force in 2012 after operational clearance in 2010-11, Minister of State for Defence M M Pallam Raju said here today.

An agreement with Russia for next generation aircraft and transport aircraft was being worked out. Raju, however, did not give any timeframe and details. Asked about the Arunachal issue with China,Raju said&#8221;We will not underplay any perception of threat as a nation we are ready to meet any eventuality.&#8221;He also said in the perspective of increasing border trade, the problem with China has become the second largest trade partner of India
 
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LCA-Tejas completed the 1165 Test Flights. (22-Aug-09)
LCA-Tejas completed the 1163 Test Flights. (21-Aug-09)
LCA-Tejas completed the 1162 Test Flights. (20-Aug-09)
LCA-Tejas completed the 1160 Test Flights. (19-Aug-09)
LCA-Tejas completed the 1159 Test Flights. (14-Aug-09)
LCA-Tejas completed the 1158 Test Flights. (12-Aug-09)
LCA-Tejas completed the 1156 Test Flights. (08-Aug-09)
LCA-Tejas completed the 1155 Test Flights. (07-Aug-09)
LCA-Tejas completed the 1154 Test Flights. (06-Aug-09)
LCA-Tejas completed the 1153 Test Flights. (05-Aug-09)

Aeronautical Development Agency
 
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India's light combat aircraft to phase out Russian jets


NEW DELHI, Aug 28 (Reuters) - India will begin deploying its first locally made supersonic combat aircraft next year and gradually phase out its ageing fleet of Russian fighters, defence officials said on Friday.

Five Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) costing about $31 million each have already been manufactured by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) and undergoing trials, while eight more will be ready by mid-2010, defence officials said.

"We can say 2012 is the key for our air force when we will not only have many LCAs, but by then we should also be able to induct more advanced multi-role fighters in the fleet," said air force spokesman Wing Commander T.K. Singha.

India started field trials to buy 126 multi-role fighter jets last week, defence officials said, moving forward on a $10.4 billion deal to modernise the air force.

Boeing's (BA.N) F/A-18 Super Hornet, France's Dassault Rafale, Lockheed Martin Corp's (LMT.N) F-16, Russia's MiG-35, Sweden's Saab (SAABb.ST) JAS-39 Gripen and the Eurofighter Typhoon, produced by a consortium of European companies, are in the race for the contract, one of the biggest in play.

"So we are looking at a scenario, where we will be able to raise our squadron strength considerably with more power," Singha said.

India wants to increase its air force squadrons from 34 (612 fighters) at present to 42 (756 fighters) by 2020 with modern aircraft.

Twenty LCAs will be deployed by 2012 and the plan is to manufacture 20 more in coordination with the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), a DRDO official said in New Delhi.

"The LCA is now on track and the DRDO is very keen to produce more such aircraft indigenously," a DRDO spokesman said.

The induction of the LCAs was delayed by years of technical problems that forced scientists to go back to the drawing boards and rework the single-seat fighter's design and engines.

India's defence ministry began pushing for the LCA after the country lost nearly 200 Russian-made MiG series aircraft in crashes since 1990, blamed by the air force on manufacturing defects.

India, one of the world's biggest arms importers, plans to spend more than $30 billion over the next five years to upgrade its largely Soviet-era arsenal to counter potential threats from Pakistan and China.

"The LCA trials are in full swing and they could replace even the MiG 23 and MiG 27 if everything works to plan," said a defence official, who declined to be named because he is not authorised to speak to the media.

India's light combat aircraft to phase out Russian jets | Industries | Industrials, Materials & Utilities | Reuters
 
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