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[Bratva]

We are making avionics as well as making SU 30 MKI from raw materials like titanium blocks provided by Russia.

It doesn't matter. You can't claim ownership of SU-30 MKI. You can't sell it to 3rd party. You still have to send SU-30 MKI to russia when cracks appear in it (correct me if i'm wrong). Your whole contribution amounts to 20-30 percent

Now come over to JF-17. Pakistan initial involvement is 50 percent due to less learning curve which would be increased to 80 percent by 2016. Full ownership, can sell it to 3rd part.

Jeez, Still you have an audacity to say JF-17 is license manufacturing like SU-30. Grow up

 

[Bratva]

From where did you get that figure ?Pakistan builds 60 % JF 17 ( that too without the engine ),But for MKI,its 30 %?

Components produced for AL 31FP

120 for Indigenous MMR,150 km for Elta - Indian hybrid.

The figure I get is from Pak Aeronautical complex website and JF-17 director interviews published in AFI in recent months.

Which Radar is going in to Tejas then, Indigenous or Elta?

 

[spectribution]

The figure I get is from Pak Aeronautical complex website and JF-17 director interviews published in AFI in recent months.

Which Radar is going in to Tejas then, Indigenous or Elta?

Hybrid, Indian Nodes, ELTA Back end processor i.e 120 km for 2 msq target, 150 km for 5msq target.

 

[gslv mk3]

Source? You are blowing too much stream with out any sources

The MMR radar is seen installed on the 'Hack' aircraft. This radar is being developed under the LCA 'Tejas' programme and has an intended detection range of 120 km vs a 2 sq.m target. The Hack is offered for other testing purposes as well. (CABS via B Harry)

India's flying Testbeds

If India is making titanium does it mean it is 100 percent making SU-30 in house? Oh Please, Out of 30 K components, if 10 K components are being built, it doesn't mean you are 100 percent manufacturing something. Even the maintenance issues and involvement of russians point to this fact

How does that make 30 %? You are counting by numbers & not value ?

 

[Bratva]

How does that make 30 %? You are counting by numbers & not value ?

What is value pray tell us? Does Aircraft run on value or on components?

 

[acetophenol]

Here is the link I find and according to it, India does not manufacture 100 percent SU-30 not even 50 percent of it

Entire Sukhoi-30MKI fleet to arrive by 2019

Is it so hard to understand? We have import all basic materials like bolts and rivets from Russia that India could've made locally,because the contracts specifies so. HAL alone makes 10k components,not to count other private players. Now whats the 50% contribution from Pakistan in Jf-17?

 

[Bratva]

Is it so hard to understand? We have import all basic materials like bolts and rivets from Russia that India could've made locally,because the contracts specifies so. HAL alone makes 10k components,not to count other private players. Now whats the 50% contribution from Pakistan in Jf-17?

Can India claim the ownership of SU-30 MKI?

 

[acetophenol]

What is value pray tell us? Does Aircraft run on value or on components?

Screws,bolts,rivets etc are basic components and can be made locally easily,so they are of low value and high numbers. And there are high value components like MFDs,RWRs etc which needs to be made locally,savy?

 

[Dazzler]

nope, su30 is not a jv, simplest reason, russia can sell, has sold it to many without indian permission. MKI is just a customised version for india nothing more. there is NO joint venture in it. ToT yes. India cannot sell mki since it lacks key echnology and right to do so.

unlike jft which is a jv between catic and pac, catic cannot sell jft without pac approval which holds 58% stake in the project.


now back toLCA please.

 

[SR-91]

The icing on the cake of this India shining story is that 90 per cent of engineers, designers, technicians and managers part of this homegrown project are youngsters in the average age group of 25 to 40 years.

Now this is an achievement

 

[acetophenol]

So let's end this debate right here that SU-30 and JF-17 are similar projects. Let's continue with Tejas discussion.

Well said. Development wise,Jf-17 and Su-30MKI are similiar,as they both are JVs,Pakistan's first experience making a combat jet and not so about India. For Tejas,Pakistan doesn't have an exact counterpart,development wise. By the way,whats Pakistan's contribution in Jf 17?

 

[Dazzler]

They are the only country who is flying it ..

back to lca plz, if interested in jft, chk info pool.

 

[gslv mk3]

@mafiya

The visit covered indigenisation cell, manufacturing facilities for 4.5 generation aircraft, newly-established repair and overhaul facilities, final assembly of Su-30MKI aircraft and flight-testing hangar. The Air Chief appreciated the extent of technology absorption, indigenisation and the confidence level to take up ROH of Su-30MKI aircraft by HAL.

Presently. HAL is manufacturing the aircraft from the raw material phase and till date has produced 150 aircraft. HAL has manufactured approximately 43,000 components in airframe and 6,300 components for engines. Twenty six special technologies have also been absorbed and mastered. With this, 70 per cent components are now made in India by HAL with 100 per cent technology absorption as per the contract in airframe and engine.

HAL, IAF, ministry working on defence needs | Business Standard

Now thats official...

 

[Dazzler]

MKI is not a JV .it never was .. but then for a fighter manufactured with TOT we make more components in house than u guys do for ur indigenous fighter .

80% avionics, 50-60% airframe,

L.C.A..

 

[trident2010]

When will the IAF start flying Tejas? After FoC maybe??