Yaar "Kent" come on, be bold enough to face the fact , that LCA is already to late,
Definetly I should rather face facts, since the person who is suggesting me to face facts who like to twist facts and craft them according to suit his own sensitivity and then come and suggest me to face those twisted facts.
Pls point me out a single sentence from previous posts, where I had claimed that LCA is on schedule, instead I was glorifying the success of LCA project and its associated benefits that have been going through IAF fleet and taking place of magnificent transformation all the way in Indian Aviation Industry.
In 1983, the DRDO obtained permission to initiate a programme to design and develop a Light Combat Aircraft. In 1984, the Aeronautical Development Agency was established to manage the LCA programme. The IAF's Air Staff could not finalised requirement for the LCA until October 1985. This delayed the original schedule which called for first flight in April 1990 and service entry in 1995;
This is an best example of highlighting the those hardcore facts that this person extracted from wikipedia and who is now suggesting me to face it. Joodi, extract about LCA in wikipedia has lots of all other things that glorify its success as projects and associated benefits and milestones. I think you had intentionally missed them to highlight over here, otherwise they could have burst you bubble.
just see it was 1995 , its now 2008, and still 5 more years more(indian defence ministry them self have said that LCA will get be inducted by 2012 at the earliest).
Offcourse, LCA is Indias first effort to build aircraft on its own and hence delay was inevitable. Joodi pls name a single fighter plane project all over the world that wasnt face delays.
Even Aviation giants US, France initiated projects like F-22 and Rafale respectively, still in spite of having decades of experience and booming economy, they could not complete their projects in time.
Newly born kids cant speak in human language or rather learn to walk on its legs instantly, such kids take some years to speak and walk properly, same is with LCA
HAL and ADA try to justify it bcoz they had to justify some way or other. and lets not try to justify this 13 yrs (5 more to come) by the word" indeginization".
Which words relating to justification are you trying to put within the mouths of HAL and ADA?
Joodi, Delays and cost overrun are requisite part of every engineering projects and especially those that are initiated from scratch, so HAL and ADA are no exception to it.
even in its present state, most of the major system, are foreign. though many subsystem and components have been develoyed locally but, even today most major system are foreign. i am just listing few if any ask i can write a two dozen other:
Courtesy for acknowledging atleast subsystem are locally developed.
Engine by General Electric F404-GE-IN20. (KAveri may be ready by 2012 yet another claim by HAL)
Atleast be sincere in accusing the maker of Kaveri.
Kaveri is being made by GTRE, not HAL. HAL will only integrate Kaveri in LCA. Just tell how many countries in the world are versatile in Aircraft engine making?
2. Multi-function displays function (MFDs) by Sextant (France) & Elbit (Israel),
I think you have forget to read about subsequent sentence in wikipedia about LCA. Let me remind you those if you couldnt read as far as your sensitivity is concerned. when the LCA reaches the production stage, the MFDs are expected to be supplied by Indian companies
3. The helmet-mounted display and sight (HMDS) cueing system by (Elbit)
4. the laser pod supplied by (Rafael Israel).
Same as my statement of wikipedia when the LCA reaches the production stage, the MFDs are expected to be supplied by Indian companies When MFD can be made locally, then I think HMDS, Cueing system, Laser pod would not be a problem.
5. FBW digital control sysytem.by Lockheed Martin.
Once again let me remind if you have forget to read in wikipedia,
A second series of inflight simulation tests of the integrated flight control software were conducted on the F-16 VISTA (Variable In-flight Stability Test Aircraft) simulator in the U.S. in July 1996, with 33 test flights being carried out. However, Lockheed Martin's involvement was terminated in 1998 as part of an embargo enacted by the U.S. in response to India's second nuclear tests in May of that year.
The NAL's CLAW team eventually managed to successfully complete integration of the flight control laws indigenously, with the FCS software performing flawlessly for over 50 hours of pilot testing on TD-1, resulting in the aircraft being cleared for flight in early 2001.
6. zero-zero ejection seats by Martin Baker (UK)
When you choose to forget so many facts in wikipedia about LCA, so how does ejection seat would be an exception?
Although two-seat variants of the LCA are planned, the examples built to date are crewed by a single pilot on a Martin-Baker zero-zero ejection seat. The ejection seat is slated to be replaced with an indigenous ejection seat[35] To improve pilot safety during ejection, the Armament Research and Development Establishment (ARDE), Pune, India created a new line-charged canopy severance system, which has been certified by Martin-Baker. This system, which is the first of its kind, can be operated from outside the aircraft, an important consideration when the pilot is trapped or unconscious
7. (Elta radars ) (Israel Aerospace Industries Ltd. (IAI) will provide a radar system for LCA, India's electronics industry has been unable to build a radar system for LCA, recently IAI head visited India & reached an agreement with local authorities to develop the system.)
How does it is so convinced for you to describe the inability of Indian electronics industry?
Let me remind you words of wikipedia as far as your sensitivity goes, Due to delay in development of MMR, government have come out with the collaboration with IAI for development of Radar the sernsor for the new radar is supposed to be Aesa 2052 and the remaining item and softwares will be combination of MMR and IAI developed products.
As far as role of LCA goes it is point defence fighter, so Indian developed MMR was absolutely compatible with LCA as far as Air to Air preposition goes. But IAF also willing to used it also in Ground strike role as well, and hence problem was arises.
no pakistani ever said JF17 is indeginious product
Since nobody has made Pakistani to acknowledge it as indigenous product, just ask your inner instinct, you would definetly get your answer.
, as i said earleir PAF come up with a different approach , (coproduction and get product as per PAF reqirement)
It is an wide spread indisputable truth, I never raise fingered over it
and the end product are very much similar in quality, but in short time in case of JF-17 as compared to LCA.
End product are very much similar in quality in terms of what, I mean is it Engine, Radar, Body structure, Bvr, Speed, Ceiling etc.
just compare the two aircraft and judge urself , i posted compelete comparision of two aircrafts in my previous reply.
Why I should judge myself? Joodie listen I dont have an exclusivity to judge any aircraft or associated projects.