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Height of politicization.

Now after roads and pulls, buddhas(Old stupid and gay generation in India) want ceremonies for defence products too.

Typical Indian mentality to start dancing like fools even before it is inducted into Navy.

Where is the work culture? That's what I hate about India. A country of buddhas who love ceremonies and lectures but no focus on work. Imports will do for serious stuff! LCA is for saving the ego.

No wonder 80% of India's college toppers each year fly outside country for working in a better place. That's because India sucks as a society. Hypocrisy rules.
 
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i wasn't harsh at all !! all i said is that this is not the right thread ...

and even after that i said

i don hav a have a habit if asking off thread ques...sum may be exception....

sry no offends but my advice to him to google was much better than what u told him !!!

Then why do you come to this forum if you can't share your knowledge with newcomers?

Stop being arrogant and give some respect to newbies. I believe this forum is for sharing knowledge, not for taunting newcomers.

So, be careful dude, if you don't like people asking basic questions here, then better keep yourself outta this thread or why bother answer them? Be cool.
 
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Height of politicization.

Now after roads and pulls, buddhas(Old stupid and gay generation in India) want ceremonies for defence products too.

Typical Indian mentality to start dancing like fools even before it is inducted into Navy.

Where is the work culture? That's what I hate about India. A country of buddhas who love ceremonies and lectures but no focus on work. Imports will do for serious stuff! LCA is for saving the ego.

No wonder 80% of India's college toppers each year fly outside country for working in a better place. That's because India sucks as a society. Hypocrisy rules.


Shaktiman --

There are some reasons why these ceremonies are needed. Not for any other reason but to build a Brand Image !! For too long India/DRDO has been negligent about Brand building amongst Public/PR. I think this is a good way to do it.
Further Navy also wants to showcase the progress that the program has been making ever since they rolled up the sleeves and got involved.
LCA has received lot of flak around the world for right and wrong seasons , if someone has done good work then let them have their share of fame.

The stigma of LCA is still there and will be , but past is past and this is the only way to progress -- Do good work and publicize it.

My manager used to say this during appraisal -- "Rone wale bache ko hi doodh milta hain"...unless you advertize yourself noone will know what you are capable of and neither will you receive any financial benefits.
 
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Second squadron (20nos) of ‘Tejas’ fighter jet ordered by IAF


BY EDITOR AT 7 JULY, 2010, 1:34 AM

BY: livemint

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has won the approval to buy 20 additional Tejas fighter jets, the home-grown light combat aircraft to be built by military plane maker Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL), defence minister A.K. Antony said on Tuesday.

The defence acquisition council has cleared the plan, he said. So far, IAF has ordered 28 Tejas aircraft, currently under development at the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), the design agency for the aircraft.

The additional order would give a boost to the indigenous plane project, which has faced an uncertain future due to delays in its development and certification.

“Now, LCA (light combat aircraft) is a reality,” said Antony, who recalled that he had received suggestions when he took over as defence minister that the Tejas, the Arjun battle tank and the Akash missile programmes be scrapped. “Despite all those prophecies of doom, all (three projects) are becoming a reality.”

The Tejas was conceived in the 1980s to replace the ageing fleet of Russian MiG-21 planes.

The project got the government’s nod in 1990, a prototype was rolled out in the middle of that decade, and the first Tejas took to the skies in 2001.

Since then, 12 Tejas planes have flown 1,400 flights on test missions. The aircraft is expected to get initial operational clearance, or the certification for minimum standards set by the IAF, by December.

A two-seat naval version of the plane, which was rolled out on Tuesday by the minister, will take to the skies around October, said P.S. Subramanyam, programme director at ADA.

“The learning has been enormous. We have been able to compress time,” he said.

The two-seat naval trainer has been redesigned to take off and land on an aircraft carrier—needing about one-tenth of the 800-900m on a regular runway.

The navy is setting up a shore-based test facility, which will be similar to the deck of the INS Vikramaditya, the aircraft carrier Russia is building for India.

Second squadron (20nos) of ?Tejas? fighter jet ordered by IAF
 
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Its time for lungi dance...:chilli::chilli::victory::victory:

Isn't it a hot sexy baby coming out????

Love to watch her dancing in the sky..:smitten:

bhangra.jpg
 
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India Begins Testing Naval LCA
By VIVEK RAGHUVANSHI
Published: 6 Jul 2010 15:16

NEW DELHI - Defence Minister A.K. Antony was present July 6 when India tested the first prototype of its naval Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) on the ground in Bangalore.

The two-seat naval version of the indigenously developed trainer will now undergo extensive systems integration tests, ground runs and taxi trials before making its first flight later this year, a senior Indian Navy officer said. Another variant of the aircraft will roll out next year. The naval LCA is scheduled to be inducted in the Indian navy in 2015.

Designed by the Aeronautical Development Agency, Bangalore, and the state-owned Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), the naval LCA is equipped to operate from an aircraft carrier with ski-jump takeoff and arrested recovery. Its structure and landing gear have been modified from the existing Air Force version to cater to larger loads and arrested-recovery landings.

The Indian Navy last year placed an order for six naval LCAs and has committed to pay about $30 million for each.

The naval LCA is a small, tailless, multirole supersonic fighter aircraft. It will be deployed on the Air Defence Ship, India's indigenously built aircraft carrier, which is due to enter Navy service in 2014-15.

India Begins Testing Naval LCA - Defense News
 
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Then why do you come to this forum if you can't share your knowledge with newcomers?

Stop being arrogant and give some respect to newbies. I believe this forum is for sharing knowledge, not for taunting newcomers.

So, be careful dude, if you don't like people asking basic questions here, then better keep yourself outta this thread or why bother answer them? Be cool.

enough of ur useless bashing man , only u r going hot here ........ i never wanted to hurt him

i just wanted him to have a detailed knowledge ...... which he wont be getting here ... dats why i asked him to google it as it wud hav been better for him .......

although i admit i failed to provide a link ... that was my mistake......

also name one member who provided a detailed knowledge......
 
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Aeronautical Development Agency to bring in advisor for Tejas Mark-2 - dnaindia.com

Aeronautical Development Agency to bring in advisor for Tejas Mark-2

Praveena Sharma / DNAFriday, July 9, 2010 2:00 IST Email


Bangalore: After the rollout of the prototype of the light combat aircraft (LCA) Navy - NP1 early this week, Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA) is now looking at finalising an aerospace partner for the development of its advanced prototype — Tejas Mark-2.

The LCA Tejas is being developed in two variants for the Indian Air Force and Navy by the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), ADA and Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).

Commodore C D Balaji, director-LCA Navy-ADA, told DNA Money the state-run defence aerospace firm would be appointing a consultant for the Tejas Mark-2 in the next couple of months.
Since ADA’s negotiation with US-based Lockheed Martin, which had qualified for the consultancy of the LCA Tejas, has failed, it would be European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) that would be brought in to advise it on the programme.
Balaji said ADA would get in an aerospace expert to resolve issues on weight of the aircraft, location of the arrester and other such technical issues in the Tejas Mark-2 programme.

“We have been conservative in our design and development of the LCA NP1 and NP2 (Air Force version), but would like to optimise them in the future prototypes (Tejas Mark1 and Mark2). We will need experienced firms for this,” said Balaji.

He said ADA was taking “baby steps” in LCA project and was apprehensive about it. “It (LCA Navy) is weaker than the required in some areas,” said the ADA’s director.

Simultaneously, ADA is also in the process of the selecting engines for the LCA Tejas for which it had sent out request for proposal (RFP) to General Electric (GE) for its F-414 and Eurojet for its EJ200.

Balaji said both the engines are technically compliant and their financial bid was under evaluation. He said after the down selection of the engines, the design and aero-structure of the LCA could be required to be modified.

Defence aerospace experts believe ADA would need help of a global aerospace partner to accelerate the pace of the programme and quickly resolve complicated technical issues.

“Once they (ADA) move to developing the new variants (for the LCA),they will need help in areas such as determining the location and attachment of the arrester hook system on aircraft, ways to test the arrester hook system, aerodynamic fixes to improvetakeoff and landing performance on the carrier, optimising the landing gear design to handle larger operating weight,recommend alternative engine with higher thrust to enhance thrust-to-weight ratio and making associated changes in the aircraft’s structural configuration forreduction of weightby 500 kg and integration of operational payload on the aircraft,” said an expert.

The Indian Navy requires over 50 aircraft and has ordered for six till now.
 
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“Once they (ADA) move to developing the new variants (for the LCA),they will need help in areas such as determining the location and attachment of the arrester hook system on aircraft, ways to test the arrester hook system, aerodynamic fixes to improvetakeoff and landing performance on the carrier, optimising the landing gear design to handle larger operating weight,recommend alternative engine with higher thrust to enhance thrust-to-weight ratio and making associated changes in the aircraft’s structural configuration forreduction of weightby 500 kg and integration of operational payload on the aircraft,” said an expert.
And EADS has the experience to do all that from?:what:
Dassault, or Mikoyan are clearly the better choices for these naval changes.
 
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And EADS has the experience to do all that from?:what:
Dassault, or Mikoyan are clearly the better choices for these naval changes.

N-LCA will be Mk-II version of Tejas,not sure about the first 6.

EADS will provide consultancy services to ADA/DRDO/HAL for Mk-II.

SO i think they want a seperate consultant for N-LCA.
 
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N-LCA will be Mk-II version of Tejas,not sure about the first 6.

EADS will provide consultancy services to ADA/DRDO/HAL for Mk-II.

SO i think they want a seperate consultant for N-LCA.

As far as I understand it, the first six should be N-LCA trainers with GE 404 engines, most likely based on MK1. Will be interesting to see how they should take off from the carries, if even the IAF version is said to have an acceleration problem.
EADS for IAF LCA MK1 and 2 is not the problem for me, I even would appreciate it, but for IN it simply dosn't make sense. They don't have real experience regarding a carrier fighter, all they did with Sea Typhoon were some studies. That's why I asked, how they want to do it?
 
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Can anyone post LCA pictures with fully armed, rolling in the sky
 
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Cross Posting from the NLCA thread...

LCA (Navy) Will Add Punch To Blue Water Vision, Adm. Nirmal Verma Says

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CNS: The LCA (Navy) was sanctioned in March ’03 [following] the success of LCA (AF) in January 2001. They were planned as a possible replacement to our aging fleet of Sea Harriers, which have been in service since the ’80s. The vision of the Navy has always been to be an effective force, and hence LCA (Navy) shall play an important role in our future carrier operations doctrine. The LCA (Navy) design specifically caters [to] the first Indigenous Aircraft Carrier (IAC1) scheduled to be delivered by Cochin Shipyard Ltd by 2014. The aircraft is expected to have state-of-art sensors and weapons and would be an integral part of our air arm. LCA (Navy) would add punch to the Navy’s blue water vision.

Nice to see such emphatic backing of the project by IN. It does look like Navy has some concrete ideas about the capability of NLCA and how to utilize them.
 
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LiveFist - The Best of Indian Defence

The following is the full text of the speech that was delivered by LCA-Navy programme director COMMODORE CD BALAJI on 06 July 2010 at the roll-out ceremony of the aircraft's first prototype, NP-1.

In 2003, based on the progress made on the Air Force LCA Programme the Govt approved Phase-1 development of 2 LCA Navy Prototypes that would operate from an aircraft carrier with the concept of Ski-jump Take-off and Arrested Recovery (STOBAR). Navy actively supported this Challenging programme to design, develop, build and flight test a carrier borne aircraft for the first time in the country. The two prototypes under development would be used to demonstrate that the aircraft is capable of operating from a ship, i.e., carrier compatible.

The question often asked is ‘what are the changes in LCA(Navy) in comparison to the Air Force version?’ Typically the aircraft will get airborne in about 200m over the ski-jump on the ship as against a land based take-off run of about 800m. Landing on the ship is with an arrester hook on the aircraft engaging an arrester wire on the ship and the aircraft stops in 90m which is about 1/10th land based stopping distance.

Unlike shore based take-off and landing applications, typical ship borne requirements imposes large loads on the aircraft structure which entails new design. Also, the nose section of the aircraft is drooped down in order to have better pilot vision for ship landing. Whilst the external aerodynamic shape of the aircraft is same as the Air Force Trainer, the internal structure is entirely different due to larger loads resulting from carrier operations. However, all Mechanical, Avionics and Flight Control system layout are by and large common with the Air Force version. The design of LCA(Navy) has been performed in a 3Dimensional Computer Aided Design (CAD) concurrent engineering environment. A Digital Mock Up (DMU) of the aircraft was ultimately created which had all the internal equipment laid out. This helped in visualising possible areas of clash with various system groups and the structural interfaces due a possibility of ‘virtual walk through’. No physical mock up has been built. Due to first time design, there could be additional reserve factors taken as a conservative measure, but would be optimised based on experience in the future prototypes. This would result in significant weight savings.

Areas identified as challenges over and above the Air Force Version were structural design, Landing gear design, arrester hook, introduction of a new control surface (LEVCON) and ski-jump take-off. A case in point for Naval specific activities was the development of large sized landing gear forgings. Midhani had to develop the special tooling and processes and provide the special steel forgings. In addition, Bharat Forge, Pune provided the near shaped forgings of the major landing gear elements. These have been fabricated at private companies at Hyderabad and landing gears have been assembled at HAL (Nasik). Some of the typical challenges encountered during the development cycle, resulted in them taking longer than anticipated. However, today these have been resolved and we all await the aircraft’s rollout in the presence of the Hon’ble Raksha Mantri and the Chief of the Naval Staff.

In its primary role of Air to Air combat, the aircraft will carry both Close Combat Missiles (CCM) and Beyond Visual Range (BVR) Missiles. In its Air to Sea role, the aircraft will carry Anti Ship Missile (ASM). The aircraft can carry external fuel drop tanks to increase range and endurance. The aircraft can carry a wide variety of bombs based on role requirement.

To meet specific Naval testing, new test facilities have and are being developed. A new landing gear drop test facility has been created to handle testing to Naval requirements for qualifying larger landing gear loads. A hardware-in-loop simulation for flight control system testing called ‘Iron-bird’ has been set up and functioning. In this facility, entire hydraulics, flight control system and avionics would be integrated for the evaluation of the software. The Avionics and Weapon test rigs have been suitably modified to test the changes in system layout and architecture required for the Naval version. Shore Based Test Facility (SBTF) to simulate an aircraft carrier with ski-jump and arrested recovery is being set up at the Naval Air Station at Goa. The ski-jump facility is expected to be ready by the last quarter of 2011 and the landing area a year later. Goa Shipyard Ltd is handling the complete structural work, system integration and operations. R&D Engineers and CCE(R&D) west Pune are handling the civil works. Specialised equipment supply is from Russia in order to have the same configuration as on the Vikramaditya.

It is critical to demonstrate carrier compatibility to infuse confidence in the Indian Navy that we indeed have a Carrier borne aircraft and towards that it is critical to demonstrate ski-jump take off and validate the simulations that have been carried out by the control Law team. Navy has defined the Mission and Performance requirements expected of the aircraft. As mentioned earlier, due to first time design, there may be shortfall in certain parameters with the current engine. Two more LCA(Navy) prototypes has been sanctioned by the Govt in Dec 2009 with a higher thrust engine to enable meeting the Mission objectives set out by the Navy.

The act of ‘Rollout’ is a significant milestone in the development process of an aircraft wherein it is structurally complete, equipment installed, plumbing and wiring completed. The aircraft is on its wheels and can be moved by assisted power and is a precursor to the phase of ground based system integration testing leading the engine ground run, taxi tests and flight. Every effort is being made by all the stake holders to have the maiden flight in 3 to 4 months time.

This day of NP1 rollout has been possible with the active involvement of HAL as the Principal Partner of ADA and support by DRDO, CSIR labs, CEMILAC, DGAQA, Public and Private sector industries, Educational Institutions and a host of other agencies. I wish to salute all of those who have contributed as a composite LCA Navy Team in realising this important milestone and look forward to the same spirit to take the aircraft towards its maiden flight at the earliest.
 
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@ roky 2
go to page 192 on post #2880 of this thread u will get those pics. :cheers:
 
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