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[jha]

getting some assistance from MIG in MCA project would not be so wrong by the way..

today saw a dhruv near hal...
will keep updating for next one month till i am here..

 

[karan.1970]

getting some assistance from MIG in MCA project would not be so wrong by the way..

today saw a dhruv near hal...
will keep updating for next one month till i am here..

Sir.. You need to start carrying a fancy cell phone with a 9 Mega pixel camera and a video recorder please.....

 

[sancho]

Help was sought only for speeding up the program to compensate the last time.So are the co-developments and JV`s.

Everyone says, LCA got foreign help foreign help but no one take pain in elaborating at what level the help was aquired, and which areas, how much?

But why was help needed?

Multi mode/AESA radar development needs foreign help to be good enough.
Kaveri engine not mature enough to be used in MK1 and 2 and needs help for further development.
Know how of making a fighter carrier capable is not available, so we need foreign help.

We knew that we don't have the experience in all these fields, so couldn't we get Russian, or French help from the start in re-designing LCA to a carrier version?
Couldn't we simply use Russian, or Israeli radars off the shelf, or with a radar co-development from the start?
Couldn't we go for an engine co-development with France from the start too (Shakti engine was co-developed with Turbomecca too)?

Engine and radar are important parts of such fighters and without enough experience in both fields, things must go the way that they went and that's why we face these delays.

Take similar projects for comparison!

Swedish companies are experienced when it comes to fighters, engine, or avionics developments, but even they used a proven GE 404 engine as the base, for the RM 12 engine, that powers the Jas 39 Gripen. They also only co-developed the PS-05 pulse-doppler radar with a British company and even the design for the Gripen was from BAE.
So if they, with all their experience went this way, why did we thought we can do it all alone?
Look where their project and where ours is now?

The development of the Gripen began in 1982 with approval from Swedish Parliament.

The first prototype first flew on 9 December 1988.

Introduction 9 June 1996

Going for an indigenous fighter was the right way, but we should have used the knowledge and experience of friendly countries more and LCA would be flying for several years now. A similar approach to MCA will just end in the same way too.

 

[Creder]

Broadsword: IAF placing order for 2nd Tejas squadron: Dwindling MiG-21 numbers, growing China threat, speeds up Tejas induction


The Tejas is currently undergoing weapons trials to obtain its Initial Operational Clearance, most likely by early 2011. Then starts the two-year process for obtaining Final Operational Clearance, after which it can enter service in early 2013. Then, if HAL can deliver 10 Tejas fighters per year, the first squadron will be ready by end 2014. And, if all of that goes smoothly, the second Tejas squadron will join the IAF by end-2016.

and this guy says

LCA Tejas will be a part of IAF next year....says IAF chief.....V P Naik..... News flash.

so when is it ?

 

[shaktiman2010]

Take similar projects for comparison!

Swedish companies are experienced when it comes to fighters, engine, or avionics developments, but even they used a proven GE 404 engine as the base, for the RM 12 engine, that powers the Jas 39 Gripen. They also only co-developed the PS-05 pulse-doppler radar with a British company and even the design for the Gripen was from BAE.
So if they, with all their experience went this way, why did we thought we can do it all alone?
Look where their project and where ours is now?

Then you should ask Swedish why they did that way. Were they short of confidence?

Also, India is not Sweden. Stop dreaming.

BAE offered help to Sweden because both are white blood brothers. Why you think British would have helped India making LCA? Is this some water-damn project or a joke, you think?

If there was such help on table, India would have taken it. If you have proof saying otherwise, then prove it.

Stop making stupid theories to make fun of those people involved in gigantic efforts behind LCA. All you are doing here is, making people laugh on you.

By the way, I tell you why Swedish went with JV with BAE despite having experience - Sweden was never under sanctions. So, they had luxury to ask BAE to help them make Gripen. They preferred not to make Gripen on their own because that was not their motive. It was business venture for them. India's necessity and reasons for LCA were different. You missed this totally. India didn't have that luxury(asking BAE help) due to western sanctions. And that proved to be beneficial for Indians because LCA has given India more than it could have learnt in any JV. JV would had divided integration work. But sanctions ensured India had to do every system in LCA herself. Bingo!

Going for an indigenous fighter was the right way, but we should have used the knowledge and experience of friendly countries more and LCA would be flying for several years now. A similar approach to MCA will just end in the same way too.

Nope. I disagree.

Actually India has learnt more from LCA since its designed locally. While Swedish Gripen was designed by BAE. So, it will take India lesser efforts to make MCA now because Indians have fully explored aircraft design process from scratch and local designing expertise is now available. For example, how much it took to make first Dhruv prototype? More than 5 years. How much it took to make first LCH prototype? 1.5 years.

By the way, India is still under sanctions compared to Swedish who has full access to Western R&D. So, stop telling me your stupid theories of why India did this way, or why we didn't did it like Swedish did. and blah blah.

First, do some proper research behind origin of LCA and the political situation India is in, then make up your nonsense theories.

India doesn't have a big daddy to feed her like Swedish got in white parent British. Think before you complain.

It seems I have to put it bluntly into your head what this is all about - All goras were grouped together since 1970's(creation of NSG - Indian nuclear tests), for keeping India out of any technological access. All gora countries imposed technological sanctions on India after 1973 tests.

It wasn't USA only who put sanctions on India but it was collective decision of all powerful countries and their chota-mota white-blood munnas(Sweden etc.). Just see the list of NSG formed in 1973 to find who were behind blacklisting India.

LCA program was a middle finger to these morons that we can do it even without you. It was one of against odds. So, I am not surprised that its delayed but happy that it has seen the light finally even though there were funding hiccups in between due to dumb babus.

The world doesn't work so simple and open manner like you think or like what those idiots like Thomas L. Friedman(fantasy writer) writes. There are racial angles to everything and that's reality.

Your skin color decides if BAE will help you or not. That's how it works when it comes to such strategic tie-ups like LCA or MCA. India is not Sweden. Sweden is a true white-blood country which has open access to latest Western R&D. Same with Israel. Israel would be a big Zero without access to western R&D. India doesn't have that luxury. So, before you open your mouth to compare DRDO with others research labs in white-blood countries and complain, use your brains first. Because you are not making sense.

Also, if you think Bush removed technological sanctions, then you are wrong. Nothing has changed since nuclear deal. DRDO and ISRO are still blacklisted.

For example, any American entity(Boeing or NASA) can invest or take part in any University campus or fund IIT project in India and claim the patent for that work. But DRDO/ISRO can't do that in any american university. They are banned. But Swedish are allowed to do that, so they benefit directly from Western R&D. Do you know this?

So, use your head before you blame DRDO scientists. Because at end of day, they are really fools for doing such high-end work on shitty salaries, so that fools like you can rant here and take pride and saying two thanks to Gripen for being a role-model for DRDO? Give me a break!

Bush gave India nuclear deal not because he loves Indians but because his american companies need Indian consumer markets badly. But he refused to remove DRDO/ISRO from blacklists. That's how real world works, on racial tones.

Delays = we are learning/finding new solutions = Good.
No Delays = something is wrong(backhand import deal?) = Bad.

MCA process will save lot of time due to experience from LCA process.

By the way, while you were comparing LCA and Gripen programmes, why you did not compare the budgets of two programmes? For your information, LCA is most under-funded and under-paid(to those fool researchers in DRDO who didn't took more-heavily paying easy-call-center jobs) 4th generation aircraft programme on earth.

 

[Abi]

Is it really going to have the EL/M-2052 AESA radar, if so the LCA would be one lethal plane.

 

[sancho]

Your post is simply not worth to comment on it, especially the racist parts!

The funny thing is only, you pointed out a good example that proves exactly what I said.

For example, how much it took to make first Dhruv prototype? More than 5 years. How much it took to make first LCH prototype? 1.5 years.

Dhruv was designed and mainly involved parts from foreign countries and as I said before we went for an engine co-development exactly for the same reasons that I mentioned before. No experience and know how to do it alone!
Dhruv development went so good, because it was based on their help, but we learnt from those countries and improved ourselfs during that development and now can do not only redesign of Dhruv to LCH, but also the complete development of LOH, including the engines by HAL alone now.
And that should have been the right way for LCA too! First try to do it with help of others and learn from them, then you can do it next time on your own!

Btw, design of LCA was finalised in 1990, sanctions was posed on us in 1998, so it has nothing to do with each other! Just to make clear who needs to do some more research!

 

[shaktiman2010]

Your post is simply not worth to comment on it, especially the racist parts!

Or you can put it directly - you don't have any silly arguments or ranting left against LCA program.

Regarding sanctions, you are wrong. There were sanctions before 1998 too. Do some research buddy and read ex-Cabinet secretary Raman's interview on details about sanctions before 1998. Hint for you - 1973.

The way you are blabbering here about LCA and blah blah, its clear you know nothing about history of London Group and its genesis.

By the way, if you still think its so simple to get access to american technology then try it. You will be arrested by US marshals, the moment someone discovers you belong to ISRO or DRDO. While your favorite fair and tall God Swedish have full access to western R&D. So, DRDO's challenges are different since they don't have this luxury like Swedish do. Keep that in your mind.

Any idiot can make Gripen, when he has daddies like Britain and USA to help him. No big deal.

 

[shaktiman2010]

Dhruv was designed and mainly involved parts from foreign countries and as I said before we went for an engine co-development exactly for the same reasons that I mentioned before. No experience and know how to do it alone!
Dhruv development went so good, because it was based on their help, but we learnt from those countries and improved ourselfs during that development and now can do not only redesign of Dhruv to LCH, but also the complete development of LOH, including the engines by HAL alone now.

Wrong.

Dhruv was a civilian helicopter project. It wasn't a military combat version. That's why HAL managed to get "some" foreign help. LCH came much later. You don't understand yet how policy-making works in HAL.

LCA is a 4th generation "military" aircraft project. Fourth Generation aircraft technologies are not sold openly in market like meat & fishes, as you think.

Also, India is not Sweden which has open access to western and European R&D. So, stop giving me your silly rants like Gripen is this, Gripen is that, why we don't do Gripen. Stop complaining like a kid.

DRDO has done an excellent job, with what little they had and they have my full respect. I am not sure about you.

 

[zeus]

Dhruv was not a civilian project to start with, more Dhruv are sold to armed forces then the civilian version

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Tejas to be stationed at new IAF base in Rajasthan



Uniquely, the new air base that was inaugurated four days ago is the first forward-operating airbase to be commissioned by the IAF in more than two decades. The first lot of the LCA — a squadron of 20 aircraft — is scheduled to be handed over to the IAF in 11 months from now. The second squadron will follow a year later — both are being built at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) unit at Bangalore. Once handed over to the IAF, the LCA’s first base, briefly, will be at a station in South India, from where the fighters will move in batches to Phalodi, the sources said. Moving planes in small batches is a normal IAF procedure. Phalodi has the capacity to handle other aircraft besides deep penetration radars.

Tejas to be stationed at new IAF base in Rajasthan idrw.org

 

[KEETARP]

Tejas to be stationed at new IAF base in Rajasthan

Tejas to be stationed at new IAF base in Rajasthan idrw.org

: Tribuneindia

India’s self-developed Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas will be based at the IAF’s brand new forward-operating base at Phalodi in Rajasthan. Medium-lift choppers, Mi-17s will also be stationed at the base which will be 102 km from the India-Pakistan border, said sources.

Uniquely, the new air base that was inaugurated four days ago is the first forward-operating airbase to be commissioned by the IAF in more than two decades. The first lot of the LCA — a squadron of 20 aircraft — is scheduled to be handed over to the IAF in 11 months from now. The second squadron will follow a year later — both are being built at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) unit at Bangalore. Once handed over to the IAF, the LCA’s first base, briefly, will be at a station in South India, from where the fighters will move in batches to Phalodi, the sources said. Moving planes in small batches is a normal IAF procedure. Phalodi has the capacity to handle other aircraft besides deep penetration radars.

Defence Minister A K Antony had told Parliament last month that the first lot of the LCA would be delivered in March 2011. The Air Force is likely to accord ‘initial operational clearance’ by the end of this year.

Phalodi is the sixth IAF base in Rajasthan. It is located almost equidistant from the three existing IAF bases at Jaisalmer, Jodhpur and Nal (Bikaner). The IAF has two others bases in Rajasthan — Suratgarh and Uttarlai (Barmer). Across the border opposite Phalodi are two major Pakistani military bases in Bahawalpur and Rahimyar Khan.

In the past two decades, the IAF had not commissioned or operationalised a new base as it had focused on improving infrastructure in the existing bases across the country — some 70 in number. In the past two years, the IAF has reopened defunct advanced landing grounds at Nyoma, Fukche and Daulet Beg Oldie — all in Ladakh. The forces have a requirement for more than 200 LCA-type aircraft to replace the ageing lot of MiG 21 series of fighters. An additional $ 538.2 million (about Rs 2,500 crore) has been approved by the government for the LCA Phase-II programme. For this, the engines are to be selected soon.

Seems faith of Air-force in Tejas has grown , placing Tejas near Border ??????
I dont know its Faith in performance or publicity stunt or shortage of fighters for new airbase
Any ways lets trust IAF will certainly do justice to LCA's capability.

 

[Lankan Ranger]

Tejas to be stationed at new IAF base in Rajasthan

Ajay Banerjee/TNS New Delhi, April 10 India’s self-developed Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas will be based at the IAF’s brand new forward-operating base at Phalodi in Rajasthan.

Medium-lift choppers, Mi-17s will also be stationed at the base which will be 102 km from the India-Pakistan border, said sources. Uniquely, the new air base that was inaugurated four days ago is the first forward-operating airbase to be commissioned by the IAF in more than two decades.

The first lot of the LCA -- a squadron of 20 aircraft -- is scheduled to be handed over to the IAF in 11 months from now. The second squadron will follow a year later -- both are being built at the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) unit at Bangalore.

Once handed over to the IAF, the LCA’s first base, briefly, will be at a station in South India, from where the fighters will move in batches to Phalodi, the sources said. Moving planes in small batches is a normal IAF procedure. Phalodi has the capacity to handle other aircraft besides deep penetration radars.

ASIAN DEFENCE: Tejas to be stationed at new IAF base in Rajasthan

 

[NSG Commando]

But the first squadron of LCA tejas was supposed to be in Tamil nadu....

 

[karan.1970]

Huh! 11 months from now..?? What happened to 2015?

 

[Kinetic]

Excellent, a new forward air base for a new generation fighter. It will be first line of defence against enemy advanced fighters.