HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[mikhail ivanovich]

Delighted with a reply.. The best you could come out with against Tejas...
Thank goodness the country is not filled with people who have such great views like yours...

BTW thanks for your reply and your views will be duly forwarded to HAL, ADA and MOD to work on the actionable...

Citizens like you are the torch bearers of our bright future. Thanks for dropping by in PDF and sparing crucial time to impart us such valuable knowledge...

No offence .... Healthy criticism should be welcomed not bashed.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

No offence .... Healthy criticism should be welcomed not bashed.

My dear Good Sir, i appreciate your view points.. But what you have used as tools for "healthy" criticism is not fully backed by facts... No doubt LCA is a long saga.. and I am sure you are very much aware of it.. But then again there are lot of positives.. For example Kaveri was not a failure.. Kaveri Engine did not meet the required thrust for LCA. But now Kaveri without afterburner stage known as Ghatak is going to power our UCAV programs.

The desi fighter is a myth as MIC development in our country has been so slow that LCA project could not be completed in next 15-20 years also if we depend on everything indigenous. We do not have expertise, technology or high quality manpower in our MIC for most of the critical tech for which we are dependent on imports. Thus why we should blame LCA. We should also blame our government, its policies and in ability to invest in R&D over last 3 decades to build a credible MIC to deliver 100% indigenous content on LCA..
We should also blame our PSU culture which runs at slow pace and is not coherent with high performance high professionalism based corporate world..

Its a multitude of factors.. and blaming LCA alone is a myopic view to the actual issue which we never wish see..

 

[mikhail ivanovich]

@PARIKRAMA, agreed that Tejas was more of a policy failure than technical failure. Agreed that it was the fault of the respective government and our armed forces too that it has asked too much from Tejas which was designed to be a 3rd gen fighter and now is a 4+ gen fighter as per international aviation experts. No doubt that it has evolved into a solid punch with AESA radar etc. But we should not forget that it was also the fault of our ADA/HAL/DRDO which claimed to built a fighter they simply can not. UK offered them to have a joint development back in 80's they refused. Dassault offered to shift production line of Mirages, they refused and assured respective govts that they can built a brand new fighter. They just took the money to keep themselves running and not loosing jobs. That is why this gov decided to involve pvt players and bear the R&D cost as per DPP2016. Tejas is a good thing but they messed it up.

 

[Abingdonboy]

 

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[Abingdonboy]

Posted from another forum:

817 Miles from Bangalore to Jamnagar and
743 miles from Jamnagar to Muscat.
520 miles from Muscat to Sakhir Airbase

All without IFR (looks like it was done with 2 drop tanks)

 

[mikhail ivanovich]

Posted from another forum:

817 Miles from Bangalore to Jamnagar and
743 miles from Jamnagar to Muscat.
520 miles from Muscat to Sakhir Airbase

All without IFR (looks like it was done with 2 drop tanks)

yes, indeed it is. Range of Tejas is 500+ nautical miles without drop tanks. But when will it get FOC ?? Million dollar question in itself like the Rafale deal negotiation on and on and on. WTF everything has a limit. Then we get to listen a story that the main negotiating officer died otherwise the deal would have been signed by 2013.

 

[Abingdonboy]

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Then we get to listen a story that the main negotiating officer died otherwise the deal would have been signed by 2013.

Irrelevent, that was during te MMRCA taks, the new GoI scrapped that process entirely.

But when will it get FOC

2016

 

[mikhail ivanovich]

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Irrelevent, that was during te MMRCA taks, the new GoI scrapped that process entirely.


2016

Yes i know this time it is 2016. Maybe this time IAF can be satisfied by these choudharies in HAL/ADA. And once it get FOC then it takes atleast 3 years to have a fully operational squardon to build manuals train pilots setup ground infra, train technicians etc. Yes i know the deal for 126 is now canceled and a new deal with G2G route is negotiated which as per latest news costs indian exchequer 60k crore rupees with weapons training etc and with offset for 36+18 fighters. Still very very very costly.

 

[Abingdonboy]

And once it get FOC then it takes atleast 3 years to have a fully operational squardon to build manuals train pilots setup ground infra, train technicians etc.

Most of the aforementioned infrastrucutre already exists, it won't take 3 years to get a fully operational SQN- 2 years at most.

Yes i know the deal for 126 is now canceled and a new deal with G2G route is negotiated which as per latest news costs indian exchequer 60k crore rupees with weapons training etc and with offset for 36+18 fighters. Still very very very costly.

The cost of chronic underinvestment but those Rafales are worth the price. India isn't some poor country- it can afford it.

 

[mikhail ivanovich]

Most of the aforementioned infrastrucutre already exists, it won't take 3 years to get a fully operational SQN- 2 years at most.


The cost of chronic underinvestment but those Rafales are worth the price. India isn't some poor country- it can afford it.

OKAY 2 YEAR after FOC happy. We can afford Rafale that is why we are buying them but certainly we are not super rich to have a 200+ million 4th gen 30year old design fighter. Let the deal be signed, then we can estimate actual terms. Even Media don't know anything as of now. Rumors after rumors.

 

[sathya]

Posted from another forum:

817 Miles from Bangalore to Jamnagar and
743 miles from Jamnagar to Muscat.
520 miles from Muscat to Sakhir Airbase

All without IFR (looks like it was done with 2 drop tanks)

Refuelled at jamnagar& Muscat

Longest distance bangalore to jam nagar - anyone have info about how many drop tanks were used ?

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Refuelled at jamnagar& Muscat

Longest distance bangalore to jam nagar - anyone have info about how many drop tanks were used ?

I think 2 drop tanks are used.. See this picture posted 2 pages ago

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@Abingdonboy No IFR but once refuelled surely at Jamnagar (after reaching from Bangalore) and at foreign shores in Muscat (after flying 1190 km approx from Jamnagar) before proceeding to Sakhir..

All in all 2080 Miles or around 3340 Kms with 2 refuelling stops.

Since its 2 drop tanks (1200 L ones based on the pic below) its a considerable show of its capability.

 

[samlove]

History created - for first time LCA-Tejas flies into foreign airspace to participate in Bahrain AirShow.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Did they sent the naval versions too?