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Good job then risking your pilots life in actual combat using this worthless aircraft.

Zero crashes during 3000+ hours of intense testing should speak for itself.
Also Tejas Mk-1 has already surpassed most of the performance parameters of the Mig-21s. Remember when they took on the F-15 during Cope India? So think before calling them "worthless" !!
 
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WHICH one, LCA or Mig-21?
LCA , Mig 21 is still far better than your paper plane , it would be wise to shut down this project setting sentiments aside and invest money in F16IN or F18 Super hornet
 
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LCA , Mig 21 is still far better than your paper plane , it would be wise to shut down this project setting sentiments aside and invest money in F16IN or F18 Super hornet

Do not advertise your string fighters, we do not need it, sell it to some small nations.

Out IAF so far happy about the 'paper plane', only delay frustrate them.
 
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Delay to Tejas Mk 2 could push IAF into accepting modified Mk 1s | idrw.org

Delay to Tejas Mk 2 could push IAF into accepting modified Mk 1s | idrw.org

Our dhruv has improved from block 1 to 4 , similarly LCA also will definitely improve, but first let's plan it's induction.
Just like Pakistan let's buy 50 mk1, 50 mk1a, next let's move to mk2.

Infact because of late nose cone and rufuel probe, we can even have 20 mk1 + 80 mk1a


Till LCA-MKI SP-1 to SP-40 will be delivered , MKII will be availble. No need to panic... It will take 3-4 years to deliever these 40 planes...
 
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Tuesday, August 04, 2015

And here's some official detail on timelines on the LCA Tejas Mk.2 fresh from Parliament, confirming Livefist reports on operational clearance nowhere before 2022. Here's Minister of Defence Manohar Parrikar's full statement in Parliament today on the LCA Mk.2:

The project for design and development of Light combat Aircraft (LCA), Tejas Mk-II was sanctioned in November 2009 at a cost of Rs.2431.55 Crore with Probable Date of Completion (PDC) of December 2018. However, because of delay in finalisation of Engine Contract, the project could start only in December 2013. As a result, maiden flight of first Prototype and Operational Clearance are likely to be completed by December 2019 and December 2022, respectively. There after induction.
Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), Bengaluru is the Nodal Agency for design and development of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mk-II. ADA has not entered into any collaboration with European Aircraft Manufacturers who had participated in the Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tenders for development of Tejas Mk-II. However, ADA may like to avail consultancy from some of them.
Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mk-II would be an improved version of LCA Mk-I. Some of the new systems / technologies, like Active Electrically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, Unified Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite, On Board Oxygen Generation System (OBOGS), Upgraded Avionics, etc. are to be included in LCA Tejas Mk-II to make the aircraft more contemporary. Technologies, systems engineering and experience gained during development of LCA Tejas Mk-II would benefit the development of Fifth Generation Aircraft indigenously.


Shiv Aroor at 6:26 PM
vishwa karma10:04 PM
Well it's the never ending usual story from ADA, HAL & GE.

Well what happened to HSTDV-2 at TsAGI in Dec 2014 ?

HSTDV-2 was supposed to undergo testing in hypersonic wind tunnel at TsAGI. It seems Finance mantri Arun Jaitley & Raksha Mantri Manohar Parrikar came under crumbling pressure from external entity, the so called "XYYYZZ Nation" which ordered them to stop financing the HSTDV-2 project. Obviously "XYYYZZZ Nation" doesn't want INDIA to succeed in Hypersonic vehicle TD.

It seems which ever Party comes to power in Delhi, GOI officially remains to be a proxy for some other so called "XYYYZZZ Nation" to execute their plans on us.

Also there seems to be a moratorium on developing an ICBM, MIRV & MARV. No wonder this moratorium is also imposed by "XYYZZZ Nation". INDIA is the most populous democracy we should not shake our heads & oblige to whatever others say. We have our own brains & we can make our own decision.

Please spread the word on HSTDV-2. Oherwise it will be a repeat of 1998 Azad Kashmir-2 like situation & NPT like treaty will follow on banning Hypersonic testing. Such treaty is already under formulation. Well DRDO & ISRO need to synergize their work on developing HSTDV & AVATAR (RLV). INDIA needs to act fast on HSTDV & AVATAR (RLV). Otherwise Hypersonic testing ban & sanctions will be looming over us.

#SaveHSTDV-2 Jai Hind !!!!!!!!!!! Satyamev Jayate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vishwa karma10:04 PM
Well it's the never ending usual story from ADA, HAL & GE.

Well what happened to HSTDV-2 at TsAGI in Dec 2014 ?

HSTDV-2 was supposed to undergo testing in hypersonic wind tunnel at TsAGI. It seems Finance mantri Arun Jaitley & Raksha Mantri Manohar Parrikar came under crumbling pressure from external entity, the so called "XYYYZZ Nation" which ordered them to stop financing the HSTDV-2 project. Obviously "XYYYZZZ Nation" doesn't want INDIA to succeed in Hypersonic vehicle TD.

It seems which ever Party comes to power in Delhi, GOI officially remains to be a proxy for some other so called "XYYYZZZ Nation" to execute their plans on us.

Also there seems to be a moratorium on developing an ICBM, MIRV & MARV. No wonder this moratorium is also imposed by "XYYZZZ Nation". INDIA is the most populous democracy we should not shake our heads & oblige to whatever others say. We have our own brains & we can make our own decision.

Please spread the word on HSTDV-2. Oherwise it will be a repeat of 1998 Azad Kashmir-2 like situation & NPT like treaty will follow on banning Hypersonic testing. Such treaty is already under formulation. Well DRDO & ISRO need to synergize their work on developing HSTDV & AVATAR (RLV). INDIA needs to act fast on HSTDV & AVATAR (RLV). Otherwise Hypersonic testing ban & sanctions will be looming over us.

#SaveHSTDV-2 Jai Hind !!!!!!!!!!! Satyamev Jayate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10:23 AM
Is it just me or is the Mk II timeline seems too long. When is the first flight scheduled. Wonder if any could provide guessestimates for the time required for each of the major upgrades/ changes planned for the Mk II vis a vi the Mk I

9:24 AM
It will Fly in 2021 have no doubt on it. Others may say what they want but it will happen.

12:39 AM
It should be mistaken for MKI clearance date not MKII.

3:59 PM
2022 ??? At this rate no future
Go in for Mak in India of JAS 39 Gripen fighter from SAAB-Scania of Sweden

4:19 PM
ADA must go out transparently and aggressively and approach global aerospace companies for consultancy to get the aircraft ready for service. In the past ADA expected that global firms will knock on their doors and fall over each other to participate. ADA must bite the bullet, keep its nationalistic egos aside and move forward without wasting further money of the tax payer.

9:41 PM
We need to learn from china.
Keep making the LCA & keep improving them on feedback. Let there be upgrades every 3-5 years. Let airforce keep buying 10-12 every year. Keep upgrading the old ones.
If we had done this on marut, we never would need to import jaguars & MiG27.
Look at where ALH us, so many variants and there is now a more powerful engine ! Now let HAL setup repairs & spares depots in all zones. Improve the availability.
Do same with Arjun. Setup repair and spares depot s in the north , west etc.improve availability, study failures, improve parts !
If we find it heavy, big etc produce Arjun turrent with t-72 chassis.

There is no substitute for local design and production. We should not keep importing.

11:27 AM
JF 17 is now exported by Pakistan to many countries where as even with US engine HAL, NAL & DRDO Tejas is not ready inspite of Air Force support to the program




to IAS officers & MoD babu's of India - Kitna khaoge bhai ?? ab to pakistan bhhi aage nikal gaya is mamle mein

3:56 PM
I am willing to put my money on the dates being met by ADA. Looks like the GoI has asked DRDO to give realistic time frame and DRDO have given themselves a comfortable timeframe. I am looking forward to seeing the first timeline being comfortably met by ADA / HAL. The second timeline also is reasonable but IAF in its usual fashion, is likely to come up with fresh requirements towards the end of the project.





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@Oscar let the plane be inducted, once the plane starts ops at a full fledged pace and then only can the life cycle cost be calculated.
Shouldn't it b estimated before induction, and shouldn't IA guys consider it as a major factor in their feasibility calculations? And have some least success criterion..
 
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Tuesday, August 04, 2015

And here's some official detail on timelines on the LCA Tejas Mk.2 fresh from Parliament, confirming Livefist reports on operational clearance nowhere before 2022. Here's Minister of Defence Manohar Parrikar's full statement in Parliament today on the LCA Mk.2:

The project for design and development of Light combat Aircraft (LCA), Tejas Mk-II was sanctioned in November 2009 at a cost of Rs.2431.55 Crore with Probable Date of Completion (PDC) of December 2018. However, because of delay in finalisation of Engine Contract, the project could start only in December 2013. As a result, maiden flight of first Prototype and Operational Clearance are likely to be completed by December 2019 and December 2022, respectively. There after induction.
Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), Bengaluru is the Nodal Agency for design and development of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mk-II. ADA has not entered into any collaboration with European Aircraft Manufacturers who had participated in the Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tenders for development of Tejas Mk-II. However, ADA may like to avail consultancy from some of them.
Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas Mk-II would be an improved version of LCA Mk-I. Some of the new systems / technologies, like Active Electrically Scanned Array (AESA) Radar, Unified Electronic Warfare (EW) Suite, On Board Oxygen Generation System (OBOGS), Upgraded Avionics, etc. are to be included in LCA Tejas Mk-II to make the aircraft more contemporary. Technologies, systems engineering and experience gained during development of LCA Tejas Mk-II would benefit the development of Fifth Generation Aircraft indigenously.


Shiv Aroor at 6:26 PM
vishwa karma10:04 PM
Well it's the never ending usual story from ADA, HAL & GE.

Well what happened to HSTDV-2 at TsAGI in Dec 2014 ?

HSTDV-2 was supposed to undergo testing in hypersonic wind tunnel at TsAGI. It seems Finance mantri Arun Jaitley & Raksha Mantri Manohar Parrikar came under crumbling pressure from external entity, the so called "XYYYZZ Nation" which ordered them to stop financing the HSTDV-2 project. Obviously "XYYYZZZ Nation" doesn't want INDIA to succeed in Hypersonic vehicle TD.

It seems which ever Party comes to power in Delhi, GOI officially remains to be a proxy for some other so called "XYYYZZZ Nation" to execute their plans on us.

Also there seems to be a moratorium on developing an ICBM, MIRV & MARV. No wonder this moratorium is also imposed by "XYYZZZ Nation". INDIA is the most populous democracy we should not shake our heads & oblige to whatever others say. We have our own brains & we can make our own decision.

Please spread the word on HSTDV-2. Oherwise it will be a repeat of 1998 ***-2 like situation & NPT like treaty will follow on banning Hypersonic testing. Such treaty is already under formulation. Well DRDO & ISRO need to synergize their work on developing HSTDV & AVATAR (RLV). INDIA needs to act fast on HSTDV & AVATAR (RLV). Otherwise Hypersonic testing ban & sanctions will be looming over us.

#SaveHSTDV-2 Jai Hind !!!!!!!!!!! Satyamev Jayate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vishwa karma10:04 PM
Well it's the never ending usual story from ADA, HAL & GE.

Well what happened to HSTDV-2 at TsAGI in Dec 2014 ?

HSTDV-2 was supposed to undergo testing in hypersonic wind tunnel at TsAGI. It seems Finance mantri Arun Jaitley & Raksha Mantri Manohar Parrikar came under crumbling pressure from external entity, the so called "XYYYZZ Nation" which ordered them to stop financing the HSTDV-2 project. Obviously "XYYYZZZ Nation" doesn't want INDIA to succeed in Hypersonic vehicle TD.

It seems which ever Party comes to power in Delhi, GOI officially remains to be a proxy for some other so called "XYYYZZZ Nation" to execute their plans on us.

Also there seems to be a moratorium on developing an ICBM, MIRV & MARV. No wonder this moratorium is also imposed by "XYYZZZ Nation". INDIA is the most populous democracy we should not shake our heads & oblige to whatever others say. We have our own brains & we can make our own decision.

Please spread the word on HSTDV-2. Oherwise it will be a repeat of 1998 ***-2 like situation & NPT like treaty will follow on banning Hypersonic testing. Such treaty is already under formulation. Well DRDO & ISRO need to synergize their work on developing HSTDV & AVATAR (RLV). INDIA needs to act fast on HSTDV & AVATAR (RLV). Otherwise Hypersonic testing ban & sanctions will be looming over us.

#SaveHSTDV-2 Jai Hind !!!!!!!!!!! Satyamev Jayate !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

10:23 AM
Is it just me or is the Mk II timeline seems too long. When is the first flight scheduled. Wonder if any could provide guessestimates for the time required for each of the major upgrades/ changes planned for the Mk II vis a vi the Mk I

9:24 AM
It will Fly in 2021 have no doubt on it. Others may say what they want but it will happen.

12:39 AM
It should be mistaken for MKI clearance date not MKII.

3:59 PM
2022 ??? At this rate no future
Go in for Mak in India of JAS 39 Gripen fighter from SAAB-Scania of Sweden

4:19 PM
ADA must go out transparently and aggressively and approach global aerospace companies for consultancy to get the aircraft ready for service. In the past ADA expected that global firms will knock on their doors and fall over each other to participate. ADA must bite the bullet, keep its nationalistic egos aside and move forward without wasting further money of the tax payer.

9:41 PM
We need to learn from china.
Keep making the LCA & keep improving them on feedback. Let there be upgrades every 3-5 years. Let airforce keep buying 10-12 every year. Keep upgrading the old ones.
If we had done this on marut, we never would need to import jaguars & MiG27.
Look at where ALH us, so many variants and there is now a more powerful engine ! Now let HAL setup repairs & spares depots in all zones. Improve the availability.
Do same with Arjun. Setup repair and spares depot s in the north , west etc.improve availability, study failures, improve parts !
If we find it heavy, big etc produce Arjun turrent with t-72 chassis.

There is no substitute for local design and production. We should not keep importing.

11:27 AM
JF 17 is now exported by Pakistan to many countries where as even with US engine HAL, NAL & DRDO Tejas is not ready inspite of Air Force support to the program




to IAS officers & MoD babu's of India - Kitna khaoge bhai ?? ab to pakistan bhhi aage nikal gaya is mamle mein

3:56 PM
I am willing to put my money on the dates being met by ADA. Looks like the GoI has asked DRDO to give realistic time frame and DRDO have given themselves a comfortable timeframe. I am looking forward to seeing the first timeline being comfortably met by ADA / HAL. The second timeline also is reasonable but IAF in its usual fashion, is likely to come up with fresh requirements towards the end of the project.





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