HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[Aliph Ahmed]

Sir, design, testing and development required lot of still and infrastructure.

It would be acceptable if your country was designed and developed any aircraft including trainer.

So before critising, pls have a look and check... How many countries are able to design and develop fighter aircraft..

Is this the best reason you can come up by hiding behind other countries' performances? Lol.

Jf17 has half Pakistani DNA in it. Again.. You can hide behind mig evolution theory as circulated by some sore grapes who also say they shot down an f16 and their proof : piece of amraaam that brought down the indian mki with an rcs of a taj mahal. Lollll

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

But soon we will certainly see the LSP flying with whatever that can be put on it. Perhaps right now it doesn't make enough sense to shift the focus to that.

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This seems to be most acceptable reason behind HAL and ADA logic.

Put in whatever it can fly with. Lol

The air craft is built around an engine. Then comes the body and characteristics and avionics to support it part.

All this requires a lot of " planning". You just dont put whatever you can put in it by gathering stuff from the world towards something that was suppposed to be indegnious from the very start (very first goal and objective - FAILED)

Changing the engine from f404 to f414 is same as attaching a more powerful firework to the brick. Mk1, mk2 or what not will not make much differrence.

The main reason to drop f404 was that lca ended up too heavy. So the indian went ahead of f414 which did give higher thrust but it was also more heavy. Same situation due to lack of planning

Did you know the handful of lca prototypes that india managed to built after 30+ years and at least two planes share same fuel filter to fly by taking turns are not the same physically? Loll

 

[KapitaanAli]

This seems to be most acceptable reason behind HAL and ADA logic.

Put in whatever it can fly with. Lol

Please don't post if you don't know what the matter of discussion is. You seem to have been away from defence matters for years because of marital bliss. And that's healthy. Stay that way.

Jf17 has half Pakistani DNA in it.

It has a significant wishlist from PAF incorporated in it. Like MKI for India, but without the indegenous components of it. This isn't R&D. But it shows that PAF is a capable air force that knows aerial warfare. Nothing more.

No more nonsense. Request other members not to reply, so that we don't go off-topic.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Is this the best reason you can come up by hiding behind other countries' performances? Lol.

Jf17 has half Pakistani DNA in it. Again.. You can hide behind mig evolution theory as circulated by some sore grapes who also say they shot down an f16 and their proof : piece of amraaam that brought down the indian mki with an rcs of a taj mahal. Lollll

Jf 17 is equal to su30mki development..... I could say then su30mki half indian DNA.

Again once you able yo design, test and develop any aircraft then do the criticism of India.

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Jf 17 is equal to su30mki development..... I could say then su30mki half indian DNA.

Again once you able yo design, test and develop any aircraft then do the criticism of India.

Do you have even one (1) full LCA Squadron at frontline even after 30+ years???

If not then indian aeronautical base is good for just assembling planes and not any better than pakistan which "planned" and executed the jf17 project very well.

No idea which plane did india successfully designed, test and developed. Definitely not LCA:

Design - Fail
Engine - Fail
Radar - fail
Material - fail
Time lines - Super fail

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Do you have even one (1) full LCA Squadron at frontline even after 30+ years???

If not then indian aeronautical base is good for just assembling planes and not any better than pakistan which "planned" and executed the jf17 project very well.

Yes. We all know what happened to the india. Su30 mki with an rcs of Taj Mahal when it faced off jf 17 on feb 27.

Jf 17 role was not more than your mirage fighter..... Just bomb and try to escape at the earliest.

Only missile range make the difference and f16 shoot down a mig 21.

Missile issue has been sorted out with purchased with better bvr recently. It has nothing to do with RCS.... Su30mki has capability to detect f16 before f16 will seen her but India was having only missiles with range max 80km..... F16 around 100km.

But because of jammer and other technology capability, su 30mki was able to Dodge the incoming missiles.. However, you can believed on Pakistan views to (far from truth) shot down mki

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

But because of jammer and other technology capability, su 30mki was able to Dodge the incoming missiles.. However, you can believed on Pakistan views to (far from truth) shot down mki

Yes.

Paf shot down a su 30 mki as well as mig 21.

Paf also had confirmed lock on atleast 7 more indian planes but permission to sboot them down never came as they were already running away after seeing abhi flying on a parachute instead of plane. Loll

You can chose to believe your indian air force lies (far from truth).

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Yes. Paf shot down a su 30 mki as well as mig 21.

You can chose to believe your indian air force lies (far from truth).

Be happy with this pakistani view

Yes.

Paf shot down a su 30 mki as well as mig 21.

Paf also had confirmed lock on atleast 7 more indian planes but permission to sboot them down never came as they were already running away after seeing abhi flying on a parachute instead of plane. Loll

You can chose to believe your indian air force lies (far from truth).

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Be happy with this pakistani view

Back to same question:

Do you have even one (1) full LCA Squadron at frontline even after 30+ years???

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

Back to same question:

Do you have even one (1) full LCA Squadron at frontline even after 30+ years???

If you ask me then let you know my honest opinion.

Yes, it is around 5-7 delayed. We never expect that India will able to make 4th generation fighter before 2010... Because we were not having such capability... Only few countries have such capability such as US, Russia, China, EU and France.

However, it should have ready to induct from 2015.

Its a baby step for us to be self capable. Just like started making and design Indian Navy ships....

Yes, it is late but now provided opportunity and platform to work on new fighter aircraft's.

Only three countries can make 100% fighters I.e us, Russia and France..... China still depended for engine...

Still, we had to go very long.... Be a self sufficient.

Nut, bold and paint job, we are doing from past many years

 

[anathema]

Back to same question:

Do you have even one (1) full LCA Squadron at frontline even after 30+ years???

Sq 45 - Flying Daggers . Google it

Yes.

Paf shot down a su 30 mki as well as mig 21.

Paf also had confirmed lock on atleast 7 more indian planes but permission to sboot them down never came as they were already running away after seeing abhi flying on a parachute instead of plane. Loll

You can chose to believe your indian air force lies (far from truth).

I see you are new guy on the block. Do one thing - ask all the estimed members of the forum , crawl on internet, ask your DGISPR - please get me one picture of radar image which shows Su 30 blip and its disapperance OR forget radar picture - get me one ELINT recording.
Indians on the other hand - have clearly displayed radar images to the best of their abilities.

Lock on 7 planes ..my foot. Go back - read more and then come back

If you ask me then let you know my honest opinion.

Yes, it is around 5-7 delayed. We never expect that India will able to make 4th generation fighter before 2010... Because we were not having such capability... Only few countries have such capability such as US, Russia, China, EU and France.

However, it should have ready to induct from 2015.

Its a baby step for us to be self capable. Just like started making and design Indian Navy ships....

Yes, it is late but now provided opportunity and platform to work on new fighter aircraft's.

Only three countries can make 100% fighters I.e us, Russia and France..... China still depended for engine...

Still, we had to go very long.... Be a self sufficient.

Nut, bold and paint job, we are doing from past many years

You sir - are doing an extremely poor job in placing your view point. You should place your arguments better.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

You sir - are doing an extremely poor job in placing your view point. You should place your arguments better.

Sir ji- I have my opinion, you have yours and Pakistani friends have their...

Half tejas is at least 5-7 years (delayed).

Delayed have become in our DNA now.... We announce any project a long back on papers but can't complete the project on time.

[QUOTE="Aliph Ahmed, post: 12081671.

Case closed. Lca = FAIL[/QUOTE]

You are wrong sir, proof me that your current jf17 is technologically better than current hal tejas....

It was totally depends on your requirements.. Paf wanted a aircraft even not being fully developed just like jf 17 block 3.

But, IAF was not wanted. Their requirements were getting change by time to time. Now, latest hal tejas mark1a specification are same as jf 17 block 3.

The difference is that you inducted jf 17 aircraft before being fully developed. Example; air refueling- pak already inducted the aircraft and iaf wad not ready to accept without air refueling feature

 

[anathema]

I stopped reading your post after this

coz you dont have an answer. Dont care if you have kanedian or lahoori english as long as the points are well made. Typical colonial slaves

I asked if it is a full squadron? NO

Yes full squadron. All 16 planes handed over. Based in sulur , tamil nadu.

I asked if it is at front line? NO.

Lmao. You just came up with a new success metric that air forces around the world are yet to discover. Please explain what exactly is front line ? Its interesting , and dont mind explaining in canadian english.

And ohh while you are replying to me in quebec english , read up huskit interview with Tejas pilot

 

[Aliph Ahmed]

Talk is cheap

Show me a non indian article or link confirming that india has inducted one full lca squadron. With serial numbers.

Front line is pak border. Now tell us how far is Sulur, TN. Combat ready planes are deployed at front lines.

Bottom line: LCA is FAIL!!

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You are wrong sir, proof me that your current jf17 is technologically better than current hal tejas....

It was totally depends on your requirements.. Paf wanted a aircraft even not being fully developed just like jf 17 block 3.

But, IAF was not wanted. Their requirements were getting change by time to time. Now, latest hal tejas mark1a specification are same as jf 17 block 3.

The difference is that you inducted jf 17 aircraft before being fully developed. Example; air refueling- pak already inducted the aircraft and iaf wad not ready to accept without air refueling feature

Will be sticking to lca as it is lca topic.

Either way, comparing a deployed at frontline plane with a deployed in front of park plane is comparing oranges vs apples.

It is called planning and execution. Lca failed. Engine failed. Radar fail. Timelines.. Super fail.

 

[anathema]

Talk is cheap

Show me a non indian article or link confirming that india has inducted one full lca squadron. With serial numbers.

Yo! Canadian guy argument doesnt work like that. Burden of proof lies with you on substantiating your view point. Didnt they teach you this is kaneda?
Anyway to tell you out google Lca sp16 flight. It was mar 2019. Serial production 16. 16th plane of squadron. You can do all the research you want.

Front line is pak border. Now tell us how far is Sulur, TN. Combat ready planes are deployed at front lines.

Wow you are the guy. From where did you get this knowledge about front line deployment. Bataiye ? Does this happen in Royal Canadian Air force ? This is a.new paradigm. You are equating fighters to tanks or bicycles. Fighter surge operations can happen in moments notice. It can reach forward areas in under 30 mins or redeployed over there.
Now the only reason its deployed in Sulur is ? Ask why? Cos its near to Bangalore, so a new fighter plane may encounter teething issues which needs to be solved

Bottom line: LCA is FAIL!!

Bottom line , you dont know $hit. Go back and read more.
Arrgghh why do i bother with kids. Ignore .