HAL shows off 25-kN engine but doesn’t disclose its application

[TimeTraveller]

Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) showcased model of new 25kN jet engine at its pavilion at the latest edition of Aero India and its very first visitor was none other then Prime minister of India who was given detail explanation on development of the new engine .

458-crore 25-kN jet engine project has been in development for last 5 years and preliminary design of the engine has been completed, HAL will soon start working on the development of Components for the new engine and assembly of the engine will start in next two years admitted HAL officials in Aero India 2015 stall .

When asked about its application and which platform it will power? , Answer was simple ” for future platforms “. HAL refused to provide further information on the application of new jet engine, but disclosed development of new 8kN jet engine which will be used for Medium class UAV’s.

Compared to bigger 110kN engine which India wants to develop to power 5th generation fighter jet AMCA, 25-kN jet engines seems like low key development but BAE Hawk AJT’s used by IAF are powered by Rolls-Royce Adour Mk. 951 turbofans engines which generate 29 kN of thrust, so a 25kN engine can be used to power small aircrafts.

Engine been used for India’s Autonomous unmanned combat air vehicle (UCAV) can also be ruled out since GTRE will be using Dry version of Kaveri engine which will be producing 40kN of thrust much higher then what HAL will be developing .

HAL’s plans to develop Advance Jet Trainer (AJT) to supplement BAe Hawk AJTS already used in Indian Air force has been long abandon after IAF showed no interest in the project. HAL’s troubled HJT-36 Sitara intermediate jet trainer aircraft project uses NPO Saturn AL-55I engine which generates 16.9 kN of thrust, engine has been developed with Russians which includes firm orders for 250 engines to be manufactured at HAL facilities and TOT license for 1000 engines . so new engine powering HJT-36 at later stage too can be ruled out .

Speculations are indicating that HAL wants to develop new unarmed Stealth unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) surveillance aircraft which will fall in the category of High altitude, long endurance UAV (or HALE UAV) and can be used for military operations and will have long endurance. While HAL has still not disclosed any information about the application of a new engine nor confirmed development of any future platforms which will use this engine, so until then it might remain a speculation for some time about its usage.


Source:HAL shows off 25-kN engine but doesn’t disclose its application | idrw.org

 

[TimeTraveller]

@Chanakya's_Chant @CONNAN @Tshering22 and all other members................................

 

[Turingsage]

This is a mockup not a real engine. The mockup itself looks 40 years behind current designs. It will take HAL 20 years to take it to full production ( of course there never will be full production beyond a couple of test rigs which will demonstrate how ridiculous HAL really is )
The "engine" then will be 60 years behind the times and will be declared by the cybermonkeys and the keyboard Jihadis as the most "futuristic" "cutting edge" "paradigm shifting" "technologically advanced" etc etc ever.

HAL is counting on the stupidity of India's defence journalistic community and the clueless nature of India's defence establishment with the moronic jingoistic online community which would not know one end of an engine from the rock on the ground.

 

[TimeTraveller]

This is a mockup not a real engine. The mockup itself looks 40 years behind current designs. It will take HAL 20 years to take it to full production ( of course there never will be full production beyond a couple of test rigs which will demonstrate how ridiculous HAL really is )
The "engine" then will be 60 years behind the times and will be declared by the cybermonkeys and the keyboard Jihadis as the most "futuristic" "cutting edge" "paradigm shifting" "technologically advanced" etc etc ever.

HAL is counting on the stupidity of India's defence journalistic community and the clueless nature of India's defence establishment with the moronic jingoistic online community which would not know one end of an engine from the rock on the ground.

.............................................Sad news.....BTW What is a mockup Sir....?

 

[a.kumar]

Wht made your think that people believed that a Plastic model showcased was Real thing ? Article clearly says that HAL is not even developed components of engine let alone assembled full engine.

 

[Echo_419]

.............................................Sad news.....BTW What is a mockup Sir....?

Plastic model of the real thing

 

[Imran Khan]

chalo modi ko kuch to dikhaya

 

[SarthakGanguly]

This is a mockup not a real engine. The mockup itself looks 40 years behind current designs. It will take HAL 20 years to take it to full production ( of course there never will be full production beyond a couple of test rigs which will demonstrate how ridiculous HAL really is )
The "engine" then will be 60 years behind the times and will be declared by the cybermonkeys and the keyboard Jihadis as the most "futuristic" "cutting edge" "paradigm shifting" "technologically advanced" etc etc ever.

HAL is counting on the stupidity of India's defence journalistic community and the clueless nature of India's defence establishment with the moronic jingoistic online community which would not know one end of an engine from the rock on the ground.

Thanks for the encouraging words.

 

[Agent_47]

https://twitter.com/x/status/568462003112554496

 

[Tshering22]

We need to develop engine tech ASAP. Relying on foreign engines is not going to do is any good in the long run.

What was HAL doing for 30 years really.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Looks like we are in the process of making Predator Drone. Can we expect secret expertise from the Americans ? Hell Ya. Engine had to be made in India . Now US will sell UN armed predators . What do you think guys ?

 

[Turingsage]

Thanks for the encouraging words.

If living a lie suits you than carry on. Endlessly talking up tragic and serious underachievement and passing it of as a fabulous success encourages utter mediocrity.

We need to develop engine tech ASAP. Relying on foreign engines is not going to do is any good in the long run.

What was HAL doing for 30 years really.

You need to develop the underlying ecosystem of SME's that can design and make the thousands of components that go into making an engine. Rolls-Royce aeroengines has a community of over 700 suppliers, each having developed its own expertise, with Rolls-Royce at the apex integrating designing and manufacturing critical components. Where are the 700 Indian manufacturer/supplier each with its own expertise supplying HAL.
HAL can't do that, it can only make pretend engines and underperforming demonstrators which are just PR fodder.

Looks like we are in the process of making Predator Drone. Can we expect secret expertise from the Americans ? Hell Ya. Engine had to be made in India . Now US will sell UN armed predators . What do you think guys ?

I mean what gives the right for morons and cretins who possess a couple of brain cells to make outrageous statements like this. This is jet engine mockup. Drones use rotary and turofan engines with a very few notable exceptions.

 

[a.kumar]

If living a lie suits you than carry on. Endlessly talking up tragic and serious underachievement and passing it of as a fabulous success encourages utter mediocrity.




You need to develop the underlying ecosystem of SME's that can design and make the thousands of components that go into making an engine. Rolls-Royce aeroengines has a community of over 700 suppliers, each having developed its own expertise, with Rolls-Royce at the apex integrating designing and manufacturing critical components. Where are the 700 Indian manufacturer/supplier each with its own expertise supplying HAL.
HAL can't do that, it can only make pretend engines and underperforming demonstrators which are just PR fodder.



I mean what gives the right for morons and cretins who possess a couple of brain cells to make outrageous statements like this. This is jet engine mockup. Drones use rotary and turofan engines with a very few notable exceptions.

What Gives your rights to call other " Morons " , Use your own Brain cells other one not Abusive ones . 25kN low bypass turbofan can power small Business jet or a Trainer aircraft , Iconic F-86 Saber was powered by a 25kN thrust class engines , Northrop Grumman RQ-4 Global Hawk biggest unmanned aerial vehicle surveillance aircraft is powered by 36kN thrust class engines.

 

[Skull and Bones]

So, HAL is really going forward with their concept of AJT.

 

[IBRIS]

I heard long ago drdo was planning to equip small frigates, coast guard ships, tanks and drones with jet engines. This could be a step towards that direction. We may see this engine in reality very soon as a power plant for many new experiments.