Hajj stampede caused by Iranian pilgrims “not following instructions”: Hajj mission official

[Saif al-Arab]

According to eyewitness account, incident started due to some Royal Prince motorcade, when road was block and tried to divert the hajji to another path...
As far as Iranian concern , they lost a Ambassador in Lebanon in this incdient

Yes, according to a Hezbollah news channel in Lebanon. As credible as (I better don't say it).

Oh, so their Hezbollah loving terrorist died? The same guy who was making threats aimed at KSA and other Arab governments?

This wannabe Arab?

KSA and the entire Arab world should declare 10 days of mourning for the death of an anti-Arab Farsi and official representative of the enemy. What a joke. But I forgot that you are more loyal to Iran than your own country (Pakistan).

 

[JUBA]

Not surprised at all, I have been to Makkah plenty of time and Iranians there are the most unmannered group of people among all the different nationalities there, they should ban all Iranians from entering Makkah and Madena, they've causing nothing but trouble.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Islam is a world religion it doesnt belong to Arabs/Hijazi the prophet always spoke about how all men are equal be it Arab or non-Arab the whole point of Islam is be kind to your neighbour and especially to all muslims.
The holy cities of Mekka and Medina are not Arab cities but Muslim cities.

Yes, Islam is a world religion because Arabs made it a world religion and later people who became Muslims due to Arabs contributed further to that. This has nothing to do with religion as Iranians believe in Wilayat al-Faqih. Not the Islam that 95% of all the 1.7 billion Muslims follow.

No, they are Arab cities, always have been and will be. Muslim too but so are most Arab cities.

Sorry to break it for you.

All I am asking for is for my country not to host enemies of my people and country. Enemies who have a long history of killing pilgrims, causing deadly riots and for every year to turn Hajj into a political mockery.

The years they were banned from Hajj (either by KSA or by themselves) there were never any trouble or any casualties. No coincidence.

Not surprised at all, I have been to Makkah plenty of time and Iranians there are the most unmannered group of people among all the different nationalities there, they should ban all Iranians from entering Makkah and Madena, they've causing nothing but trouble.

KSA should do the only right thing and ban them. It's highly insulting that our country and people host people who hate our country and people to death and who have a long history of death, trouble and for turning hajj into a mockery due to their nonsense political slogans and protests all over the place. If there was no security or volunteers they would have caused havoc many times more.

It's funny that we don't have any trouble with ANY other nationality. Only them.

They killed 4 Saudi Arabian Shia pilgrims (foolish people visiting tombs of long-dead Hijazi Arabs) deliberately in June, in Mashhad. No penalty, no compensation. Meanwhile KSA gave 30 wounded Iranians (due to that freak crane accident) millions of dollars (in total). Beyond ridiculous.

When an almost 80 year old King Salman took his time to visit injured Iranians in hospitals 1000's of Iranians were making a big show of him only being there for a few moments despite exemplary words.

Any Saudi Arabian thinking that "only a minority hate us Arabs" or "only a minority wish us only bad things" is fooling himself and inviting trouble.

Let us do the most sensible thing and have no relations with them (no blame game this way) and help kick them out of every Arab country. A work in process BTW.

Throughout the entire Islamic history they have conspired against Muslims as well. From when they invited the savage Mongol hordes of Genghis Khan to today.

@Full Moon you too should quit having nonsense discussions with those Farsis or show any interest in them. They are an ant on all fronts compared to the Arab world and the 450 million Arabs. Don't engage with enemies and you should not allow any insults either. There is nothing to admire about the stateless Kurds either and Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) was an Arab who helped defeat savage Mongols once and for all. An Islamic hero.

Those 1-2 "Arab" users who are pro-Iran here are not Arabs either. No sane Arab likes them. Most Iraqi Shia Arabs make fun of them every single day too. It's due to their internal disunity that we see the situation today. Before 2003 any Farsi trying to control anything in Iraq ended up dead.

Al-Assad is no Arab nationalist either because no Arab nationalist want anything to do with Iran let alone their leadership. No matter how many of their leadership wear Black Turbans showing Arab ancestry or try to act like Arabs. He is nothing more than a traitor that will be dealt with in the harshest manner very soon.

Let them bark in events that occur in the Arab world. They have no say.

 

[JUBA]

List of current casualties statistics in the stampede by country:-

Iran: 136 dead and over 300 missing
Egypt: 37 dead
Cameron: 20 dead
Niger: 19 dead
Ivory Coast: 14 dead
India: 14 dead
Chad: 11 dead
Pakistan: 9 dead
Somalia: 8 dead
Algeria: 7 dead
Senegal: 5 dead
Tanzania: 4 dead
Morrroco: 3 dead
Nigeria: 3 dead
Indonesia: 3 dead
Kenya: 3 dead
Netherlands: 1 dead
Burkina Faso: 1 dead
Burundi: 1 dead
Benin: 1 dead
........
Now anyone with half a brain cell will realize why the Iranians have the highest casualties among all nationalities, because they're the ones who caused all of this for being so undisciplined which is typical from them, so again i call upon the Saudi government to ban all Iranians from going to Makkah and Madina.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

List of current casualties statistics in the stampede by country:-

Iran: 136 dead and over 300 missing
Morroco: 87 dead
Egypt: 37 dead
Cameron: 20 dead
Niger: 19 dead
Ivory Coast: 14 dead
India: 14 dead
Chad: 11 dead
Pakistan: 9 dead
Somalia: 8 dead
Algeria: 7 dead
Senegal: 5 dead
Tanzania: 4 dead
Nigeria: 3 dead
Indonesia: 3 dead
Kenya: 3 dead
Netherlands: 1 dead
Burkina Faso: 1 dead
Burundi: 1 dead
Benin: 1 dead
........
Now anyone with half a brain cell will realize why the Iranians have the highest casualties among all nationalities, because they're the ones who caused all of this for being so undisciplined which is typical from them, so again i call upon the Saudi government to ban all Iranians from going to Makkah and Madina.

Only 3 Moroccan brothers and sisters died brother.

الديوان الملكي يعلن وفاة ثلاثة حجّاج مغاربة في "فاجعة مِنى"

We all know that they are behind this. Explains their hysterical reaction seconds after this tragedy occurred where they were quick to blame KSA for everything. NO other country behaved this way

They have a very long history of killing pilgrims, security, instigating deadly riots and turning hajj into a mockery by polluting it with political slogans. EACH single year (almost) this occurs. Itself a security danger. Each year this is SOMEHOW tolerated by KSA.

Enough is enough. Nobody forces them to visit or be Muslims. Not sure why the hell millions of them visit Arab lands when they hate our people to death. Ban all Iranians from entry to KSA and ban all KSA nationals from going to Iran.

Do you seriously trust the few thousand Saudi Arabians who visit Iran yearly and admire their leadership?

Can you imagine that 1 million Farsis live in the GCC? 1 MILLION. We should treat them as they treat the 3 million Iranian Arabs. We have anti-Farsi users on PDF (For God's sake) who hate Arabs to death but tell about relatives/wife's living in the GCC. What a disgrace. Such people should be deported after receiving at least a kick to their backside.

This has nothing to do with sect. If 100% of all Iranians were Sunni Muslims I would react no differently. Non-Iranian Shia's don't cause any trouble either whether Arab or non-Arab.

 

[Full Moon]

Yes, Islam is a world religion because Arabs made it a world religion and later people who became Muslims due to Arabs contributed further to that. This has nothing to do with religion as Iranians believe in Wilayat al-Faqih. Not the Islam that 95% of all the 1.7 billion Muslims follow.

No, they are Arab cities, always have been and will be. Muslim too but so are most Arab cities.

Sorry to break it for you.

All I am asking for is for my country not to host enemies of my people and country. Enemies who have a long history of killing pilgrims, causing deadly riots and for every year to turn Hajj into a political mockery.

The years they were banned from Hajj (either by KSA or by themselves) there were never any trouble or any casualties. No coincidence.



KSA should do the only right thing and ban them. It's highly insulting that our country and people host people who hate our country and people to death and who have a long history of death, trouble and for turning hajj into a mockery due to their nonsense political slogans and protests all over the place. If there was no security or volunteers they would have caused havoc many times more.

It's funny that we don't have any trouble with ANY other nationality. Only them.

They killed 4 Saudi Arabian Shia pilgrims (foolish people visiting tombs of long-dead Hijazi Arabs) deliberately in June, in Mashhad. No penalty, no compensation. Meanwhile KSA gave 30 wounded Iranians (due to that freak crane accident) millions of dollars (in total). Beyond ridiculous.

When an almost 80 year old King Salman took his time to visit injured Iranians in hospitals 1000's of Iranians were making a big show of him only being there for a few moments despite exemplary words.

Any Saudi Arabian thinking that "only a minority hate us Arabs" or "only a minority wish us only bad things" is fooling himself and inviting trouble.

Let us do the most sensible thing and have no relations with them (no blame game this way) and help kick them out of every Arab country. A work in process BTW.

Throughout the entire Islamic history they have conspired against Muslims as well. From when they invited the savage Mongol hordes of Genghis Khan to today.

@Full Moon you too should quit having nonsense discussions with those Farsis or show any interest in them. They are an ant on all fronts compared to the Arab world and the 450 million Arabs. Don't engage with enemies and you should not allow any insults either. There is nothing to admire about the stateless Kurds either and Ibn Taymiyyah (ra) was an Arab who helped defeat savage Mongols once and for all. An Islamic hero.

Those 1-2 "Arab" users who are pro-Iran here and are not Arabs either. No sane Arab likes them. Most Iraqi Shia Arabs make fun of them every single day too. It's due to their internal disunity that we see the situation today. Before 2003 any Farsi trying to control anything in Iraq ended up dead.

You are surly entitled to your convictions dude. I have been bombarding Persians as hard as I can throughout PDF (with still some fairness in discussion I guess). My love for the Kurds is mainly personal, and I don't just love Kurds alone. As a matter of fact, I only hate Persians (Farsis), and jews. I can't think of others except Russians may be. I love Indian rices & spices, Pakistanis' immense religious feeling and successful military manufacturing, Anatolian Turks bravery and modernity. The same goes for Azeris, Balouch, Georgians, Armenians, Greeks, Italians...etc. There is a fascinating thing about every culture, and there is so much goodness about every race .

 

[JUBA]

Only 3 Moroccan brothers and sisters died brother.

الديوان الملكي يعلن وفاة ثلاثة حجّاج مغاربة في "فاجعة مِنى"

We all know that they are behind this. Explains their hysterical reaction seconds after this tragedy occurred where they were quick to blame KSA for everything. NO other country behaved this way

They have a very long history of killing pilgrims, security, instigating deadly riots and turning hajj into a mockery by polluting it with political slogans. EACH single year (almost) this occurs. Itself a security danger. Each year this is SOMEHOW tolerated by KSA.

Enough is enough. Nobody forces them to visit or be Muslims. Not sure why the hell millions of them visit Arab lands when they hate our people to death. Ban all Iranians from entry to KSA and ban all KSA nationals from going to Iran.

Do you seriously trust the few thousand Saudi Arabians who visit Iran yearly and admire their leadership?

Can you imagine that 1 million Farsis live in the GCC? 1 MILLION. We should treat them as they treat the 3 million Iranian Arabs. We have anti-Farsi users on PDF (For God's sake) who hate Arabs to death but tell about relatives/wife's living in the GCC. What a disgrace. Such people should be deported after receiving at least a kick to their backside.

This has nothing to do with sect. If 100% of all Iranians were Sunni Muslims I would react no differently. Non-Iranian Shia's don't cause any trouble either whether Arab or non-Arab.

Thanks brother, it's fixed now.

 

[somebozo]

I know, Saudi Arabia can do better. But why only Iranians here who didn't stick to the instructions and caused this?

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I have worked in Mecca, Mina, Muzdalfia and Arafat during several Hajj and Umraa seasons....Africans are the worst discipline offenders...followed by Central Asians which are often confused to be Iranians...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

You are surly entitled to your convictions dude. I have been bombarding Persians as hard as I can throughout PDF (with still some fairness in discussion I guess). My love for the Kurds is mainly personal, and I don't just love Kurds alone. As a matter of fact, I only hate Persians (Farsis), and jews. I can't think of others except Russians, may be. I love Indian rices & spices, Pakistanis' immense religious feeling and successful military manufacturing, Turks bravery and modernity. The same goes for Azeris, Balouch, Georgians, Armenians, Greeks, Italians. There is fascinating thing about every culture, and there is so much goodness about every race and culture .

Convictions that most of the 450 million Arabs rightly adhere to. Convictions that every sane Arab should adhere to.

What is there to love about a stateless people who murder and work against Iraqi Sunni Arabs and Syrian Arabs 24/7? Who try to steal ancient Arab/Semitic lands that they have NOTHING to do with.

Admire is a big word and as I see it there is nothing to admire. Whether it comes to history, accomplishments or current behavior. You don't know the Kurds here in the West. You are highly mistaken if you think that they have any love for Arabs. They prefer them over Turks but that don't say much.

A good advice, don't waste your time engaging with some highly deluded Farsis who hate your country and people (Arabs). There is nothing to learn from them either. You can learn more from 1 Westerner than 100 of them.

I can only give advice of course.

I have no problem with any other people but them (Farsis). Whether we like it or not we have 100 times more in common with the average Israeli Jew of which 66% of them are either full or partial Arab Jews whose grandparents or parents spoke Arabic as a mother tongue. Indistinguishable from your average Arab in looks outside of religion (a fellow Abrahamic/Semitic religion) moreover. I am no fan of the Israeli regime but let's be honest here. As bad as they are they have not killed anywhere near as many Muslims as Iran have directly or indirectly. Nor is Israel causing as much trouble for the GCC as Iran. Not even close.

Moreover in 30 years time or so Arabs will make up 50% of Israel's population.

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I have worked in Mecca, Mina, Muzdalfia and Arafat during several Hajj and Umraa seasons....Africans are the worst discipline offenders...followed by Central Asians which are often confused to be Iranians...

None but Farsis have orchestrated deadly riots, killed fellow pilgrims, security or turned hajj into a mockery by their nonsense political slogans who have occurred almost each year for almost 40 years in a row. Somehow this was tolerated by KSA despite it impacting security.

They are among the worst pilgrims due to such behavior and I have seen this first hand as well more times than you can count on two hands.

No other nationality of pilgrims (majority) perform Hajj while openly hating KSA and its people. Whenever they can allude to those feelings when performing Hajj they do it. Whether it's by disobeying orders, deliberately slacking or complaining about the smallest things that nobody else complains about not even the Western/GCC pilgrims who are used to 1000 times better standards.

Let's not even talk about their officials or their countless empty threats that never turn into reality.

Those years where they were banned or had banned themselves = no trouble.

Anyway what to expect from a regime that was created by Khomeini after living in exile in France. The same heretic who stated this:

• "The Islamic and non-Islamic powers of the world will not admit our power till such time that we establish our hold over Makkah and Madinah because these are the centers and citadels of Islam. Hence our domination over these places Is an essential requirement ... when as a conqueror I will enter Makkah and Madinah, the first thing to be done at that time by me would be to dig out two idols (Abu Bakr and Umar) lying by the side of the Prophet's grave."

Now they have made a tomb out of him that they worship daily. But since he is a supposed Sayyid (Arab) he needs a tomb, of course.

 

[Full Moon]

Convictions that most of the 450 million Arabs rightly adhere to. Convictions that every sane Arab should adhere to.

What is there to love about a stateless people who murder and work against Iraqi Sunni Arabs and Syrian Arabs 24/7? Who try to steal ancient Arab/Semitic lands that they have NOTHING to do with.

Admire is a big word and as I see it there is nothing to admire. Whether it comes to history, accomplishments or current behavior. You don't know the Kurds here in the West. You are highly mistaken if you think that they have any love for Arabs. They prefer them over Turks but that don't say much.

A good advice, don't waste your time engaging with some highly deluded Farsis who hate your country and people (Arabs). There is nothing to learn from them either. You can learn more from 1 Westerner than 100 of them.

I can only give advice of course.

I have no problem with any other people but them (Farsis). Whether we like it or not we have 100 times more in common with the average Israeli Jew of which 66% of them are either full or partial Arab Jews whose grandparents or parents spoke Arabic as a mother tongue. Indistinguishable from your average Arab in looks outside of religion (a fellow Abrahamic/Semitic religion) moreover. I am no fan of the Israeli regime but let's be honest here. As bad as they are they have not killed anywhere near as many Muslims as Iran have directly or indirectly. Nor is Israel causing as much trouble for the GCC as Iran. Not even close.

Moreover in 30 years time or so Arabs will make up 50% of Israel's population.



None but Farsis have orchestrated deadly riots, killed fellow pilgrims, security or turned hajj into a mockery by their nonsense political slogans who have occurred almost each year for almost 40 years in a row. Somehow this was tolerated by KSA despite it impacting security.

They are among the worst pilgrims due to such behavior and I have seen this first hand as well more times than you can count on two hands.

No other nationality of pilgrims (majority) perform Hajj while openly hating KSA and its people. Whenever they can allude to those feelings when performing Hajj they do it. Whether it's by disobeying orders, deliberately slacking or complaining about the smallest things that nobody else complains about not even the Western/GCC pilgrims who are used to 1000 times bigger standards.

Let's not even talk about their officials or their countless empty threats that never turn into reality.

Those years where they were banned or had banned themselves = no trouble.

Don't take it so hard man. Things will eventually get better.

 

[bozorgmehr]

Saudi Arabia rakes in BILLIONS of dollars every year from hajj and omrah. Under normal circumstances any country would pay the utmost care and attention not to do anything to upset the chicken laying the golden eggs. But they have such utter disregard and contempt for other less affluent third world country muslims that stampedes and horrific accidents keep happening time after time, after time, after time.... But who could blame them? They have a captive market. And they can rightfully laugh in the face of muslims. Because they put up with it...

 

[Saif al-Arab]

Don't take it so hard man. Things will eventually get better.

We as Arabs should take those matters EXTREMELY seriously and a partial reason why such problems are even relevant is because too many of us keep deluding ourselves by saying that "it's only a minority of them that behaves like this or thinks this way about us" or "we are all Muslims", "we are neighbors" etc. nonsense when the reality is an ugly one. Let's blame the Jews instead.

Nothing will get better. The only solution is no relations. No Arab country should have any relations with them and any type of meddling must be combated in the harvest manner possible and returned equally. Look at our Egyptian neighbors. They have no relations with Iran. The result? No problems of the kind that Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Bahrain face.

Why are our lands home to 1 million Iranians (non-nationals)? Why have we welcomed them when millions upon millions of people from around the world are desperate to live and work in the GCC? People who don't hate us. Who should/deserve this opportunity much more than them.

It's sad that I have come to a point where I can't even trust an Iranian Arab at first hand.

I am not against globalization (rather the opposite) nor have I any problem with any sect outside of the Wilayat al-Faqih sect but nobody but us are this foolish when it comes to relations with outright enemies and haters. Some of the GCC regimes (no names mentioned) are outright working against our common interests and that of Arabs. One is a over 70 year old childless homosexual. I won't mention the other one to not cause more controversy than necessary. Both will die one day and both rule will thus end but still... This must be solved otherwise they will eventually be toppled. We have reached a very pivotal time period for our future. Notice the propaganda campaign initiated by the British tabloids and others. This is no coincidence.

 

[Full Moon]

We as Arabs should take those matters EXTREMELY seriously and a partial reason why such problems are even relevant is because too many of us keep deluding ourselves by saying that "it's only a minority of them that behaves like this or thinks this way about us" or "we are all Muslims", "we are neighbors" etc. nonsense when the reality is an ugly one. Let's blame the Jews instead.

Nothing will get better. The only solution is no relations. No Arab country should have any relations with them and any type of meddling must be combated in the harvest manner possible and returned equally. Look at our Egyptian neighbors. They have no relations with Iran. The result? No problems of the kind that Lebanon, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Bahrain face.

Why are our lands home to 1 million Iranians (non-nationals)? Why have we welcomed them when millions upon millions of people from around the world are desperate to live and work in the GCC? People who don't hate us. Who should/deserve this opportunity much more than them.

It's sad that I have come to a point where I can't even trust an Iranian Arab at first hand.

I am not against globalization (rather the opposite) nor have I any problem with any sect outside of the Wilayat al-Faqih sect but nobody but us are this foolish when it comes to relations with outright enemies and haters. Some of the GCC regimes (no names mentioned) are outright working against our common interests and that of Arabs. One is a over 70 year old childless homosexual.

I agree with you on Iran part. Never wanted any relationship with them. Iran to me is 10 times worse than Israel. Not sure where you got the impression that I want anything to do with them. I have always considered myself to be very anti-Persian.

 

[Saif al-Arab]

I agree with you on Iran part. Never wanted any relationship with them. Iran to me is 10 times worse than Israel. Not sure where you got the impression that I want anything to do with them. I have always considered myself to be very anti-Persian.

I must have been mistaken. Apologies.

Let me tell you a story. I was like most of the Arabs were pre Syria/Iraq/Syria/Yemen/Bahrain/Lebanon.

I thought that we as neighbors, Muslims, Middle Eastern/MENA people etc. could work together for a better future in the region and forget old rivalries like most European states have after a much more bloody history. Yet when I started studying Islamic history, history, politics and reading plenty of books AND frequenting Farsi forums (In Farsi as English) I slowly realized what a naive fool that I had been. My time on this forum has not changed my conclusion one bit, only strengthened it.

This is why the policy of no relations is the only solution and if they are foolish enough to threaten KSA, the GCC or the Arab world (I don't think they are this suicidal) we should do what is necessary. Otherwise just ignoring each other. It will be no lose as we don't need anything from them nor can they provide us with anything useful.

That or waiting for the inevitable regime change in their country. When that happens there is a possibility of us reaching the successful solutions that countries like France and Germany, France and the UK and Germany and Poland (just to mention some examples) have reached. Much less than that would be a success itself. Anyway I would not care at all about them had it not been due to their poisonous meddling in the Arab world since 1979. Yet in return they can't seem to get enough of us. As evident on PDF too. We of course know the reasons for that which are based in certain MONUMENTAL historical defeats and changes that have lasted for 1400 years on so many fronts.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Actually, it's 0.007%. It seems not only in Jordan, but Saudis also have basic math problems. But the number doesn't matter.

Thanks for not killing more than 5000. Every single year, more than 20 million visit Imam Reza shrine in Iran and not even 10 are killed in freak accidents like this.

Stop playing with numbers. I can swear, if Mecca or Medina were in Iran and something like this happened, you guys would tear yourselves apart, literally. We are merely asking Saudis to take responsibility, act mature instead of playing cheap by blaming dead or interviewing imaginary Iranian officials to make a stupid counter argument.

All it would take was a simple apology and here we are: cheap attempt of shifting the blame to other parties.

First Africans, now Iranians.

Again, acting dumb. It's different when millions visit some place all over the year for a short period of time to kiss or pray to a tomb and two millions from all the world visit a place for days and perform certain practices at once. I believe it's now clear who's responsible for this tragedy.