'Hagia Sophia might be converted to a mosque': Erdogan

[Agnihotra]

Yeah... As long as you stay far from their lands/Society/Women it's all good... Otherwise...it's another subject...

Lol have you ever been to Serbia yourself ?

 

[Nevsky]

"However, had Bulgarians been really forced by sword and fire to become Muslims for half a millennium, there would have been no Christians left in 1878 from which to build a Bulgarian nation."

Bulgaria’s denial of its Ottoman past and Turkish identity

Of Course it wasn't during the whole time, in the end of the day the infidels had to pay you taxes. The colonial empire wouldn't survive if all were muslim(equal).

In the 17th century many Bulgarians, especially in the Rhodope region, were forced to become Muslims against their will. Thousands of those who declined were ritually killed by the Bashi-bazouk Ottoman soldiers, in front of other Bulgarians forced to watch. Victims included women and children; in the Batak massacre they ranged from 1,200 to 7,000. Young Bulgarian Christian boys used to be taken away forever from their families and sent to Muslim schools in order to be prepared to serve the state and become soldiers, a practice known as Devshirme or blood tax.

It was so nice and tolerating, I just wonder why all these people wanted liberty.

Bolghars were Turkic semi-nomadic tribes...

So? What is your point? Bulgaria was created in the 7th century as a mix of Thracians, Proto-Bulgarians and Slavs. Or you are selling the theory for the mighty Turkic tribes that created 100's empires all around the world?
The Bulgarian ethnogenesis came with the Orthodox Christianity in 9th century, simple as that. The tribes and their believing before Christ doesn't matter at all.

 

[DejanSRB]

@bsruzm

People of Balkans despised Ottoman Empire. It was a economically and culturally backward empire. Period.

The biggest reason why all Balkan nations(majority of population, maybe Serbs are most neutral), except Bosnikas, hate Turks is ottoman occupation. Period.

I really dont understrand what you try to prove. I told you that after period of conquering, Ottoman empire went into Pax Ottomana period when the sultans tried to pacify native populations from starting rebellions, thats why they introduced jizya. You can pay jizya and stay alive as a Christian but you still dont have same rights as a Muslim population.

I will finish with this disscusion.

Soviet Russia left its colonies with cosmodroms, schools and hospitals.

British Empire left its colonies with right to emigrate to the metropolis to find better oportunities, there is million of Sikhs, Pakistan people, Indian people in former first world British colonies.

Germans left its colonies and allies with hundreds km of railways and billions of Deutsche Marks (Croatia for example).

Ottoman Empire left its colonies with devastation, backwardness, ethnic conflict, economic struggle, PURE EXAMPLE OF POVERTY. Nothing valueable was builded by Ottoman Empire except some bridges.

Thats why I dont understand you. I can understand uneducated ottoman fanboys of non-turkish ethinicity. But, you know that Ataturk Turkey was something special. Industrialized, secular, prosper and democratic. All different from Ottoman Empire. And still you defend something that cant be defended.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

Of Course it wasn't during the whole time, in the end of the day the infidels had to pay you taxes. The colonial empire wouldn't survive if all were muslim(equal).

And where does Tanzimat feature in here for you?

Ottomans bent over backwards to appease the Christian minorities, who did nothing to repay the favor but backstab Turks and Muslims for foreign powers.

The whole time UK, France, Germany, and Russia stoked the flames and brainwashed Christian minorities to revolt and kill Turks.

The same colonial powers spread havoc and bloodshed all over the world decimating native populations, industrializing slavery, and engineering famines.

They did no less to the Turkish and Muslim populations of The Balkans and Caucasus who were exterminated and the survivors were made into refugees whom Turkey had to absorb.

All of this could have been avoided if Christians chose to live in peace.

Ottoman Empire left its colonies with devastation, backwardness, ethnic conflict, economic struggle, PURE EXAMPLE OF POVERTY. Nothing valueable was builded by Ottoman Empire except some bridges.

And here we are to believe Serbs are Neutral as you claimed.

Atleast be fair here.

 

[nahtanbob]

You vandals in Eastern Europe really believe those? Especially that part: "we missed Rennesaince, Reformation, Romanticism". You may convince other's to these but I am not that stranger

Turks did not participate in the Rennesaince, Reformation, Romanticism

@bsruzm

People of Balkans despised Ottoman Empire. It was a economically and culturally backward empire. Period.

The biggest reason why all Balkan nations(majority of population, maybe Serbs are most neutral), except Bosnikas, hate Turks is ottoman occupation. Period.

I really dont understrand what you try to prove. I told you that after period of conquering, Ottoman empire went into Pax Ottomana period when the sultans tried to pacify native populations from starting rebellions, thats why they introduced jizya. You can pay jizya and stay alive as a Christian but you still dont have same rights as a Muslim population.

I will finish with this disscusion.

Soviet Russia left its colonies with cosmodroms, schools and hospitals.

British Empire left its colonies with right to emigrate to the metropolis to find better oportunities, there is million of Sikhs, Pakistan people, Indian people in former first world British colonies.

Germans left its colonies and allies with hundreds km of railways and billions of Deutsche Marks (Croatia for example).

Ottoman Empire left its colonies with devastation, backwardness, ethnic conflict, economic struggle, PURE EXAMPLE OF POVERTY. Nothing valueable was builded by Ottoman Empire except some bridges.

Thats why I dont understand you. I can understand uneducated ottoman fanboys of non-turkish ethinicity. But, you know that Ataturk Turkey was something special. Industrialized, secular, prosper and democratic. All different from Ottoman Empire. And still you defend something that cant be defended.

For a lot of Pakistanis it would be heresy to call the Ottoman Empire economically and culturally backward

 

[DejanSRB]

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

From now, you are blocked.

Reasons : Fabrications of history, ignorance, racism and schauvinism.

 

[Pan-Islamic-Pakistan]

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

From now, you are blocked.

Reasons : Fabrications of history, ignorance, racism and schauvinism.

Lol, so asking questions to Great Serbia is not allowed.

I figured as much.

 

[nahtanbob]

@Pan-Islamic-Pakistan

From now, you are blocked.

Reasons : Fabrications of history, ignorance, racism and schauvinism.

facts do not matter on a lot of issues

 

[DejanSRB]

Turks did not participate in the Rennesaince, Reformation, Romanticism



For a lot of Pakistanis it would be heresy to call the Ottoman Empire economically and culturally backward

For example, you are American. And USA support all Serbian geopolitical rivals and enemies.

BUT
I cant prove something about USA that is not true.
I will be a fool to say something like: USA is backward shithole, when USA is most advanced country in history of the world in term of technology, or USA is poverty stricken shithole, when USA produced 30% of all wealth in the world.

I just tell the truth, bitter truth. In the western world, Ottoman Empire was rightfully percieved as great military force (thanks to its big population only) with backward economy, culture, social politics, education, technology and science.

 

[bsruzm]

Of Course it wasn't during the whole time, in the end of the day the infidels had to pay you taxes. The colonial empire wouldn't survive if all were muslim(equal).




It was so nice and tolerating, I just wonder why all these people wanted liberty.


So? What is your point? Bulgaria was created in the 7th century as a mix of Thracians, Proto-Bulgarians and Slavs. Or you are selling the theory for the mighty Turkic tribes that created 100's empires all around the world?
The Bulgarian ethnogenesis came with the Orthodox Christianity in 9th century, simple as that. The tribes and their believing before Christ doesn't matter at all.

You are talking about a violent Bulgarian uprising that targeted anything Muslim, it was a time ethnic terrorist's (everywhere) took advantage of a weakening empire.

"Bulgarian Revolutionary Central Committee meeting protocols from 17th of April 1876 chaired by Benkovski discuss on taking action against the Turkish and Muslim population in mixed regions opposing the uprising. These actions include killing, arson of property and homes and seizure of assets."

Once a vandal, always a vandal. Your attitude against Muslim's, Turk's still continue today. I hope, we see a Turkish uprising in Bulgaria. You won't face a weakening empire, I promise.
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@DejanSRB , won't argue with your ignorance. Did you bring yourself a friend or what by the way?

 

[Nevsky]

And where does Tanzimat feature in here for you?

Ottomans bent over backwards to appease the Christian minorities, who did nothing to repay the favor but backstab Turks and Muslims for foreign powers.

The whole time UK, France, Germany, and Russia stoked the flames and brainwashed Christian minorities to revolt and kill Turks.

The same colonial powers spread havoc and bloodshed all over the world decimating native populations, industrializing slavery, and engineering famines.

They did no less to the Turkish and Muslim populations of The Balkans and Caucasus who were exterminated and the survivors were made into refugees whom Turkey had to absorb.

All of this could have been avoided if Christians chose to live in peace.

Why would a Christian nation want to live under the rule of the Ottoman empire? Wtf man? Ottoman empire was backward and repressive, most of the revolution powers in Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia rose up exactly durring the "Tanzimat". Get real. And if it wasnt for the foregin powers UK and France, Russia would have finished with the ottomans once and for all before 20th century. So you should thank them not to blame.

 

[nahtanbob]

You are talking about an uprising that targete
You are talking about a violent Bulgarian uprising that targeted anything Muslim, it was a time ethnic terrorist's (everywhere) took advantage of a weakening empire.

"Bulgarian Revolutionary Central Committee meeting protocols from 17th of April 1876 chaired by Benkovski discuss on taking action against the Turkish and Muslim population in mixed regions opposing the uprising. These actions include killing, arson of property and homes and seizure of assets."

Once a vandal, always a vandal.
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@DejanSRB , won't argue with your ignorance.

At the time of the Caesars the Germanic tribes were barbarian. I wouldn't call them barbarian now

 

[DejanSRB]

@bsruzm
Only vandal here is someone who defend Ottoman Empire, that invaded and destroy dozens of nations and made nothing valuable for humankind. Worst of all empires in history. Backward, opressive and genocidal.

 

[nahtanbob]

Why would a Christian nation want to live under the rule of the Ottoman empire? Wtf man? Ottoman empire was backward and repressive, most of the revolution powers in Bulgaria, Greece and Serbia rose up exactly durring the "Tanzimat". Get real. And if it wasnt for the foregin powers UK and France, Russia would have finished with the ottomans once and for all before 20th century. So you should thank them not to blame.

he has a hard time figuring out why anyone would not want to live under Muslim rule

 

[bsruzm]

@bsruzm
Only vandal here is someone who defend Ottoman Empire, that invaded and destroy dozens of nations and made nothing valuable for humankind. Worst of all empires in history. Backward, opressive and genocidal.

See, that's no argument.