Gwadar another Dubai emerging on world map: Chinese media

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

The success of CPEC depends a lot on the development and unleashing the world class economic potential of Western China. Coupled with Chinese military strategic gains in Gwadar/Indian Ocean. Central Asian participation in CPEC although ideal is not really necessary. The only other nation that can boost Pakistan's economy and CPEC is Turkey. Turkish participation could be another game changer for Pakistan. Not through any "routes" or "corridors" but through Turkish TOT, investments, industrial & manufacturing assistance. Although it is already happening, Turkish activity needs to be increased to Chinese levels in Pakistan.

You have nailed it down perfectly. Turkish companies need a huge outlet to elevate their potential to the next level. CPEC offers that almost ideal opportunity..

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

You have nailed it down perfectly. Turkish companies need a huge outlet to elevate their potential to the next level. CPEC offers that almost ideal opportunity..

I hope we don't miss this opportunity. If Turkey does come on board, this will greatly increase the chances of Pakistan becoming a developed nation or a 2nd tier nation at least. Pakistan's relationship with Turkey absolutely NEEDS to be brought up to the same level as our relationship with China.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

These yellow folks are keen observers and replicate with perfect emulation. For example, using aircraft carriers in large scale sea borne air operations instead of battle ships in the naval warfare was first shown to be working by a US admiral in an exercise at Pearl Harbor in 1932. The Japs studied it so meticulously that they produced a perfect replica with equal, if not more, success in 1941 - that time with real ammo.

As for Gwadar, they want to make it into a "Chinese Dubai". Dubai means a transportation (air+sea) hub with ample shopping opportunities to buy "brand name" items as a starter. Add financial institutions, real estate, IT, start-ups etc. to it. Now, what's about rivaling Dubai with cheaper rates for diverting flights and shipping lanes to Gwardar? Couple it with massive tax free regions with all the brands but "made in China" by fully exploiting CPEC. Thus, you get your "Chinese Dubai"....

 

[Joe Shearer]

China will protect her economic artery and investment. Not for Pakistan's sake but for herself. Given the situation in SCS, it is not that hard to imagine that this secondary route is important for her. Add into the mix Xinjiang situation and it becomes even more clear.

Some of us have a wonderful knack of backing the wrong horse each time. There is a peculiar kind of perverse beauty about the whole thing, which makes standing by and watching a rewarding spectator sport at times.

 

[Paksanity]

Some of us have a wonderful knack of backing the wrong horse each time. There is a peculiar kind of perverse beauty about the whole thing, which makes standing by and watching a rewarding spectator sport at times.

In your view, Chinese wouldn't guard their investment and trade route? Let's leave Pakistan aside for a moment.

 

[dadeechi]

IA I hope so in time- btw I am of the opinion India should also be allowed to access Gwadar what do you guys think ?

Gwadar is not of much use for India as it is for China.

China does not have reliable access to Indian Ocean sea lanes hence needs contingency routes through Pakistan and Myanmar.

India was interested in Road access from Wagah to Torkham to connect to Afghanistan which Pakistan declined.

India was planning to use Chabahar anyway to connect with Russia & EU. Now it would use the same port to connect to Afghanistan as well.

North–South Transport Corridor

That would yield some positive results, but the reality is India isn't interested in any kind of collaboration with Pakistan........IPI is a proof to this. If India joins CPEC it will have much easier access to Afghanistan and Central Asia than via Iran. Other than that it will boost Pak-India mutual reliance and cooperation, which in turn will lead to better relations between the two. It will also help in alleviating Indian suspicions about CPEC having security implications for India. All that said, and truth be told, Indian designs are not only confined to it's economic prosperity. Encircling Pakistan and beating the drums for Chinese increasing influence is what India is after.

India was interested in Road access from Wagah to Torkham to connect to Afghanistan which Pakistan declined.


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I'm just thinking from purely a economic perspective having more people developing and relying on Pakistan will be better for economic development and stability. I think Pakistan needs to be internationalized as much as possible-They could transit their goods for export there by land then ship it.Gwadar is much closer to Persian gulf/ME than any Indian port so might be cheaper. Pakistan should also allow India land access to A-stan seriously hear me out- We should wait till they invest there as much as possible then give them exactly what they want at the last minute lol .
It would cause Indians effort to go down the drain, Chabahar would essentially become somewhat redundant and possibly fail,drive a wedge between India and Iran (India be silly to turn down a much cheaper and quicker Pakistani route),bring more money into Pakistan from transit fees,Increase their dependence on Pakistan making us even more strategically important as well as give us a degree of control over what goes into Afghanistan from India. I think it would actually be a master stroke from Pakistan.

Chabahar would never be redundant for India. Gwadar has little use for India. India needs land access to Afghanistan through Pakistan.

Note that Russia, Iran and India signed the agreement in 2002 for the North–South Transport Corridor (NSTC) long long before CPEC was even conceptualized.

In your view, Chinese wouldn't guard their investment and trade route? Let's leave Pakistan aside for a moment.

Is it a Chinese investment or a Chinese loan?

 

[Joe Shearer]

In your view, Chinese wouldn't guard their investment and trade route? Let's leave Pakistan aside for a moment.

In my view, they wouldn't station a squadron of destroyers and another of attack submarines there. If they have to defend their investments like that, they have already lost it.

 

[dadeechi]

China promised Indonesia $30 billion in Invesrment in 2005. Actual realisation till 2015: $1.8 Billion.

Pakistanis should apply the same ratio to Chinese fake dreams they show to gullible Pakistanis.

The key word here is "Investment"

Over $10 billion dollars for Roads & Rail Roads are Chinese loans at 1.6%.

China doesn't share a border with Indonesia. China is dead serious about Gwadar and it is needless to say why. No doubt China is going to profit massively from Gwadar.

There is no doubt that China would immensely profit from Gwadar and CPEC.

The question though is how much Pakistan would gain?

Correct me if I am wrong. Pakistan was ready but India wanted Iranian assurance which they decline That's why project went down

No. India asked Pakistan to provide guarantee i.e India would take the ownership of the gas at the Indo-Pak border not at Iran-Pak border for which Pakistan declined. Hence IPI died.

 

[dadeechi]

can someone tell me how india will communicate with Chabahar Iran

Is that a trick question? India has direct access to Indian Ocean.

 

[risingsinga]

I would politely disagree with the title of the thread. Gwader is never going to become Dubai since Gwader has its own identity. IMHO there is no need of comparisons and drawing parallel. I believe both Dubai and Gwader will benefit each other since the trade in the region will increase in the region.

 

[Commander Haris]

Is that a trick question? India has direct access to Indian Ocean.

but i think it will be a long route to reach iran through international waters

 

[Joe Shearer]

but i think it will be a long route to reach iran through international waters

Ah, I see.

You intend to station ships on the way, with barkers diverting traffic to Gwadar? A great idea and very aggressive salesmanship. What language will the barkers use, btw? One for each of the P5, or more?

 

[Indian009]

No. India asked Pakistan to provide guarantee i.e India would take the ownership of the gas at the Indo-Pak border not at Iran-Pak border for which Pakistan declined. Hence IPI died.

Any link for it. Thanks for reply

 

[kaykay]

but i think it will be a long route to reach iran through international waters

Its less than distance of Mumbai to Delhi.....

 

[dadeechi]

but i think it will be a long route to reach iran through international waters

It would be cheaper for India to reach Chabahar by sea than by land.

India needs land route from Wagah to Torkham to connect to Afghanistan.

India does not need either Gwadar port or land access to reach either Gwadar port or Chabahar port.