Gwadar another Dubai emerging on world map: Chinese media

[dray]

That is of no consequence or matter as far as CPEC and the Pakistan China relationship is concerned. As someone who has just come back from holiday in Pakistan 2 months ago, I can confirm the ground reality that there are massive world class infrastructure projects going on all over Pakistan right now. With more set to come. This is something that many people said was impossible just 18 months ago. Just as the world (especially indians) said it was impossible for Pakistan to become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance, we made that impossibility become a reality. Now with CPEC and other programs, we will make the reality of Pakistan becoming a developed nation within 20-30 years. Just as in May 1998, so is now.

That's fine, I was just commenting against this part below.

This is very good news for Pakistan.. two free Zones in Gwadar are very attractive for International business.
Soon there will be something like an olympic championship for who gets in first..

 

[Joe Shearer]

Sir, Please do not worry that much about China's neutrality. I have not seen any written documents by Chinese govt the make it necessary for China to remain neutral...However on many occasions China has reiterated that an attack on Islamabad will be considered an attack on beijing and that was addressed directly to uncle sam after strike on alleged OBL and for the rest Pakistan has sufficient resources to take care...and as far as local were non-local is concerned; China is not that far either...how much time does it from SCS to Indian ocean. Furthermore, some presence of Chinese Navy will be there in the area anyway.

That implies - and it is a very serious implication - that China will need a document to remain neutral. The fact is, it is exactly the reverse. Without a formal alliance, it is a matter of a momentary whim or impulse for China to side Pakistan in case of war.

Those statements about attacks on Islamabad to be considered an attack on Beijing may be taken at face value; have they reacted before, other than in favour of North Korea, during the Korean War? Did they react in 1971? in 1999? at any time when there was trouble between India and Pakistan?

Pakistan's resources are a completely different matter and are not the focus of this comment.

It is a VERY GREAT DISTANCE from the SCS to the Arabian Sea, and the Indian Navy happens to be situated in between.

As for the Chinese Navy presence being there in some form or the other, perhaps it will be there, perhaps not.

My intention was to point out the obvious vulnerability of this port, and having done that, getting into a speculative exchange does not seem useful or productive, so let us leave it at that.

 

[Providence]

I have been living in the UAE since 2008. What I can say is the best thing I like about the UAE is the sense of security. I can walk anywhere outdoors at 3 am and not bother about being robbed or killed.

Dubai is a tourist based city and that is the reason why you can see so many Malls here.

Yes the sense of security is a reason why I would consider having a discussion if Dubai is one of the best. After considering all factors, I have reached a conclusion that Dubai isn't a world class city.

 

[war&peace]

That implies - and it is a very serious implication - that China will need a document to remain neutral. The fact is, it is exactly the reverse. Without a formal alliance, it is a matter of a momentary whim or impulse for China to side Pakistan in case of war.

Those statements about attacks on Islamabad to be considered an attack on Beijing may be taken at face value; have they reacted before, other than in favour of North Korea, during the Korean War? Did they react in 1971? in 1999? at any time when there was trouble between India and Pakistan?

Pakistan's resources are a completely different matter and are not the focus of this comment.

It is a VERY GREAT DISTANCE from the SCS to the Arabian Sea, and the Indian Navy happens to be situated in between.

As for the Chinese Navy presence being there in some form or the other, perhaps it will be there, perhaps not.

My intention was to point out the obvious vulnerability of this port, and having done that, getting into a speculative exchange does not seem useful or productive, so let us leave it at that.

Both 1971 and 1999 are irrelevant examples for the current scenario. In 1971, Pakistan was totally in alliance with USA and only expected help from the latter which never came furthermore Pak China relations were in there infancy and China was not developed enough to be able to help Pakistan in a meaningful way and that's Pakistani establishment did not expect or ask China for help. And 1999 was an ill-planned fiasco and the establishment itself was confused at best and there was a lack of coordination between different sections of the govt and armed forces. Thus again no formal request was made to China to help or join.
With CPEC in place, the monetary incentive are there for China and with recent developments in Pak-US relations , Pak-China relations are getting stronger and clearer. There is a tacit agreement between both states to cooperate and both do not wish to make it public and I'm not presenting an analysis but the news verified through well placed sources in both govts...how...that's another question and of course off limits.

Chinese Navy does not need to move all the way from SCS, perhaps you might have heard about ring of pearls in your own media...do not write that off as a media hype that early. Furthermore, PLAN does not need to cross the whole Indian ocean to reach the Arabian Sea, it can do the job on its way and directly. To put in a nutshell, India will be up for a big surprise.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Both 1971 and 1999 are irrelevant examples for the current scenario. In 1971, Pakistan was totally in alliance with USA and only expected help from the latter which never came furthermore Pak China relations were in there infancy and China was not developed enough to be able to help Pakistan in a meaningful way and that's Pakistani establishment did not expect or ask China for help. And 1999 was ill-planned fiasco and the establishment itself was confused at best and there was a lack of coordination between different sections of the govt and armed forces. Thus again no formal request was made to China to help or join.
With CPEC in place, the monetary incentive are there for China and with recent developments in Pak-US relations , Pak-China relations are getting stronger and clearer. There is a tacit agreement between both states to cooperate and both do not wish to make it public and I'm not presenting an analysis but the news verified through well placed sources in both govts...how...that's another question and of course off limits.

Chinese Navy does not need to move all the way from SCS, perhaps you might have heard about ring of pearls in your own media...do not write that off as a media hype that early. Furthermore, PLAN does not need to cross the whole Indian ocean to reach the Arabian Sea, it can do the job on its way and directly. To put in a nutshell, India will be up for a big surprise.

It appears that a straightforward point that I made is rapidly becoming an issue relating to national pride, and an occasion to issue ringing challenges to a powerful enemy. That is not interesting for me, and I beg to decline further comment.

 

[SrNair]

Sir, Please do not worry that much about China's neutrality. I have not seen any written documents by Chinese govt the make it necessary for China to remain neutral...However on many occasions China has reiterated that an attack on Islamabad will be considered an attack on beijing and that was addressed directly to uncle sam after strike on alleged OBL and for the rest Pakistan has sufficient resources to take care...and as far as local were non-local is concerned; China is not that far either...how much time does it from SCS to Indian ocean. Furthermore, some presence of Chinese Navy will be there in the area anyway.

Every relation in a geopolitical arena solely based on the sheer depth of permanent interests,profit and loss .
If you want to be a nation that needs much respect and power ,you should follow independent policy and self reliance attitude .Best example is your western neighbour Iran .US and their officials really respects Iranian officials .They dont have nukes ,missiles or military equipments like that of Pakistan .But they have one ,total self reliance .No matter how much they tried for an influence ,Iran wouldnt bend their spine .
They also didnt asked more favour both China and Russia .They wouldnt allow any friends and foes in their turf .

This is where you completely failed . .You said same thing about US during earlier decades and still doing the same thing with China .Tomorrow if the relation with Pakistan earns more loss than profit ,they will reject you much quicker than even US .

 

[war&peace]

Every relation in a geopolitical arena solely based on the sheer depth of permanent interests,profit and loss .
If you want to be a nation that needs much respect and power ,you should follow independent policy and self reliance attitude .Best example is your western neighbour Iran .US and their officials really respects Iranian officials .They dont have nukes ,missiles or military equipments like that of Pakistan .But they have one ,total self reliance .No matter how much they tried for an influence ,Iran wouldnt bend their spine .
They also didnt asked more favour both China and Russia .They wouldnt allow any friends and foes in their turf .

This is where you completely failed . .You said same thing about US during earlier decades and still doing the same thing with China .Tomorrow if the relation with Pakistan earns more loss than profit ,they will reject you much quicker than even US .

As an Indian you have all the rights to smoke whatever pot you want and believe whatever you want.
'Are you daft enough to say that Iran is more respectable to USA than NATO members because according to you...they are not independent. right?

Furthernore there is not a speck of truth in your foolish and brainwashed comment as Iran is as much or even more dependent on Russia than Pakistan is on USA. They have been doing good things and developing quite few systems in Iran but they are nowhere self-sufficient in anything and most of their motivation comes from embargoes

 

[Jaam92]

I want this project but without corrupt Bastards like Politician

 

[SrNair]

As an Indian you have all the rights to smoke whatever pot you want and believe whatever you want.
'Are you daft enough to say that Iran is more respectable to USA than NATO members because according to you...they are not independent. right?

Furthernore there is not a speck of truth in your foolish and brainwashed comment as Iran is as much or even more dependent on Russia than Pakistan is on USA. They have been doing good things and developing quite few systems in Iran but they are nowhere self-sufficient in anything and most of their motivation comes from embargoes

Really ??
So far Iran wont allow anyone in their land for military purpose .
Nor they found OBL or a Chechen leaders in Iran ,nor they asked for aid from Russia or China .They fought their own war but never did a rent an army purpose with a face saving name of 'WoT'.

US respects truly independent nations and their leaders and officials .At least they are honest and clear in their response .

 

[war&peace]

Really ??
So far Iran wont allow anyone in their land for military purpose .
Nor they found OBL or a Chechen leaders in Iran ,nor they asked for aid from Russia or China .They fought their own war but never did a rent an army purpose with a face saving name of 'WoT'.

US respects truly independent nations and their leaders and officials .At least they are honest and clear in their response .

Mullah Mansour came from Iran before he was killed. OBL and Checken hated Iran due to its ideology but Iran supports Hezbollah and many other groups in middle east. RAW's monkey Kul Bashan came to Baluchistan from Iran.... Uzair Baloch was working for Iranian intelligence and was travelling on Iranian passport before he was apprehend by UAE and handed over to Pakistani authorities.
Iran has accepted aide from India for Chabahar...so enough of that.
In WoT, nobody asked Iran to join since it was irrelevant to say the least.

 

[Commander Haris]

can someone tell me how india will communicate with Chabahar Iran

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

You don't another Dubai. Your port has the potential of becoming a vast industrial hub. A very real potential.
Apart from that this is boud to become a vast commercial city as well be your own people. This is your second Karachi. Only incompetence form your poltitical and technical class can destroy this.

Since the Chinese are involved, the chances of its succeeding have become great. Investors only come when they see returns. And industrial, commercial city with vast prestine coast line will attract tourist in due time.

First build world class city with your own culture.

 

[SrNair]

Mullah Mansour came from Iran before he was killed. OBL and Checken hated Iran due to its ideology but Iran supports Hezbollah and many other groups in middle east. RAW's monkey Kul Bashan came to Baluchistan from Iran.... Uzair Baloch was working for Iranian intelligence and was travelling on Iranian passport before he was apprehend by UAE and handed over to Pakistani authorities.
Iran has accepted aide from India for Chabahar...so enough of that.
In WoT, nobody asked Iran to join since it was irrelevant to say the least.

Mullah Mansour 'possibly' from Iran actually got killed in the 'land ' of Pakistan .
Did I say otherwise ?Iran supported many groups .But noone found their safe heaven in Iran and wouldnt caught by some foreign SF like that in OBL case.
Yadav ,just another grant conspiracy theory .

Nope ,We did investment for our own purpose .Anyone can join that project if they want .We are just utilising that project .They are their pet project we are merely cooperating with that

But they are far important than Pakistan for now.

 

[Paksanity]

That implies - and it is a very serious implication - that China will need a document to remain neutral. The fact is, it is exactly the reverse. Without a formal alliance, it is a matter of a momentary whim or impulse for China to side Pakistan in case of war.

Those statements about attacks on Islamabad to be considered an attack on Beijing may be taken at face value; have they reacted before, other than in favour of North Korea, during the Korean War? Did they react in 1971? in 1999? at any time when there was trouble between India and Pakistan?

Pakistan's resources are a completely different matter and are not the focus of this comment.

It is a VERY GREAT DISTANCE from the SCS to the Arabian Sea, and the Indian Navy happens to be situated in between.

As for the Chinese Navy presence being there in some form or the other, perhaps it will be there, perhaps not.

My intention was to point out the obvious vulnerability of this port, and having done that, getting into a speculative exchange does not seem useful or productive, so let us leave it at that.

China will protect her economic artery and investment. Not for Pakistan's sake but for herself. Given the situation in SCS, it is not that hard to imagine that this secondary route is important for her. Add into the mix Xinjiang situation and it becomes even more clear.

Yadav ,just another grant conspiracy theory .

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Every relation in a geopolitical arena solely based on the sheer depth of permanent interests,profit and loss .
If you want to be a nation that needs much respect and power ,you should follow independent policy and self reliance attitude .Best example is your western neighbour Iran .US and their officials really respects Iranian officials .They dont have nukes ,missiles or military equipments like that of Pakistan .But they have one ,total self reliance .No matter how much they tried for an influence ,Iran wouldnt bend their spine .
They also didnt asked more favour both China and Russia .They wouldnt allow any friends and foes in their turf .

This is where you completely failed . .You said same thing about US during earlier decades and still doing the same thing with China .Tomorrow if the relation with Pakistan earns more loss than profit ,they will reject you much quicker than even US .

If any of the above were true, then China would not have helped Pakistan become a nuclear weapons state, with the ability to indigenously produce advanced missiles. Now with the ability to produce H-bombs and thermonuclear weapons:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/