Gwadar another Dubai emerging on world map: Chinese media

[SrNair]

If any of the above were true, then China would not have helped Pakistan become a nuclear weapons state, with the ability to indigenously produce advanced missiles. Now with the ability to produce H-bombs and thermonuclear weapons:

http://isis-online.org/isis-reports...g-nuclear-weapons-time-for-pakistan-to-rever/

As usual your response ended in N word.
Nuclear is not the last word of committment.
Anyone can buy in blackmarket or can steal from lab like in Amsterdam.
You can have friendship but noone makes friendship at the expense of self respect.
China,US,India,Russia etc are noone's friend.They are their own friend .They only cares their own interest

 

[v9s]

The key word here is "Investment"

Over $10 billion dollars for Roads & Rail Roads are Chinese loans at 1.6%.

Yeah yeah yeah. Everyone brings this argument up. I ask in return, who the fu*k else was willing to loan out that much money for development to Pakistan?

Creditors need a solid reason to give out so much money.

In my view, they wouldn't station a squadron of destroyers and another of attack submarines there. If they have to defend their investments like that, they have already lost it.

Why do you think the US navy sends out a carrier group in the gulf?

 

[Paksanity]

Is it a Chinese investment or a Chinese loan

From a creditor's perspective, will there be much difference?

In my view, they wouldn't station a squadron of destroyers and another of attack submarines there. If they have to defend their investments like that, they have already lost it.

Did I say anything about destroyers or submarines? Could you please stop circling around the question and approach it straight?

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

As usual your response ended in N word.
Nuclear is not the last word of c

ommittment.
Anyone can buy in blackmarket or can steal from lab like in Amsterdam.
You can have friendship but noone makes friendship at the expense of self respect.
China,US,India,Russia etc are noone's friend.They are their own friend .They only cares their own interest

It may be repetitive and boring but it's the truth. Again as per usual what you have said is completely false and wrong. If becoming a nuclear weapons state was as easy as you have said it is, then Saudi Arabia, Iran and Egypt would have become nuclear weapons states decades before Pakistan did. Even your fellow countrymen who were allegedly "expert analysts" said pre-May 1998 that Pakistan could never ever become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. That it was impossible to do so. That the whole world would never ever allow Pakistan to become one. How wrong you indians were proven, as ever. Just as then, so is now.

If indians had as much self-respect as you say then the indian race would never have been conquered and ruled over by many different foreign races for well over a 1000 years.

The Pakistani race has survived and thrived for nearly 70 years despite the fact we have had to face off an enemy 8 times larger than us since our birth and despite the odds being massively stacked against us. No nation or race that has ever existed in the whole history of mankind has ever achieved this.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yeah yeah yeah. Everyone brings this argument up. I ask in return, who the fu*k else was willing to loan out that much money for development to Pakistan?

Creditors need a solid reason to give out so much money.



Why do you think the US navy sends out a carrier group in the gulf?

Because it has no serious naval opposition, either in the Gulf or elsewhere, after the crumbling of the Soviet Navy.

From a creditor's perspective, will there be much difference?



Did I say anything about destroyers or submarines? Could you please stop circling around the question and approach it straight?

What a way to put it!

Bluntly, I don't think the Chinese will go to war for an investment. I don't think that the bulk of the investment is on Gwadar itself. What there is will have to abide by the fortunes of war. I don't think they'll fight for it.

 

[manojb]

I believe only when Mallus start lining up for Pak visas

 

[SrNair]

It may be repetitive and boring but it's the truth. Again as per usual what you have said is completely false and wrong. If becoming a nuclear weapons state was as easy as you have said it is, then Saudi Arabia, Iran and Egypt would have become nuclear weapons states decades before Pakistan did. Even your fellow countrymen who were allegedly "expert analysts" said pre-May 1998 that Pakistan could never ever become a nuclear weapons state with or without Chinese assistance. That it was impossible to do so. That the whole world would never ever allow Pakistan to become one. How wrong you indians were proven, as ever. Just as then, so is now.

If indians had as much self-respect as you say then the indian race would never have been conquered and ruled over by many different foreign races for well over a 1000 years.

The Pakistani race has survived and thrived for nearly 70 years despite the fact we have had to face off an enemy 8 times larger than us since our birth and despite the odds being massively stacked against us. No nation or race that has ever existed in the whole history of mankind has ever achieved this.

Because those nations have competent leaders,officials and resources .
If they want nuke they will have nuke .But they are not so dumb to solely depend nukes .

Really ??
Pakistani is still struggling because of your officials,diplomats are like you and this post .
Full of delusion ,bluffing but nothing really in their hands.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Because those nations have competent leaders,officials and resources .
If they want nuke they will have nuke .But they are not so dumb to solely depend nukes .

Really ??
Pakistani is still struggling because of your officials,diplomats are like you and this post .
Full of delusion ,bluffing but nothing really in their hands.

WRONG, COMPLETELY WRONG AS PER USUAL. Iran has been trying unsuccessfully for over 20 years to become a nuclear weapons state and is still far off. That too with Russian and Chinese assistance. Egypt tried so many times to become a nuclear weapons state in the 1970s-90s that they gave up in 1999 because of so many failures. Despite their trillions and unlimited wealth, the Saudis still could not become a nuclear weapons state. They tried every trick in the book to do so because of their fear of Iran and still failed. But the Saudis have unofficial nuclear protection from Pakistan because they have and continue to pour in billions into Pakistan's nuclear and advanced missiles programs. And us Pakistanis would always protect the Saudi nation because it is the home, source and essence of our existence. For Pakistanis, Saudi Arabia is the most sacred place on earth.

Don't know what makes you think Pakistan is struggling. In an indian mind I'm sure you think we are. I just came back from Pakistan 2 months ago and can confirm that thanks to the successful initiation of CPEC, there are huge world class infrastructure projects going on all over Pakistan right now. Something that was thought of as impossible only 18 months ago. The ground reality is that Pakistan is now thriving much to the dismay of all our enemies.

 

[Gufi]

Bluntly, I don't think the Chinese will go to war for an investment.

They will not consider India a nation to reconcile with, rather a nation that is an enemy. And there is not much that can be said to blame them.

Full of delusion ,bluffing but nothing really in their hands.

That again is a conceited opinion. Our relationship with the US have taken a downturn but the relationships in central Asia, Russia and eastern Europe have improved.
It is your nation which is being shown loud televised speeches while issues on the ground in India are not much better today for the common man.
Less independant foreign policy, increased polarised as a nation, corrupt politicans having a free ride, farmers and thier outputs falling, the ecobomy propped on figures made on the whims of a few, fdi blocked by red tape, and investors being bothered and most of your neighbours polarised against you. Creating enemies where you once were neutral. But yes India is doing well...
i do not like getting down to ur level of nit picking but all your posts are based on singular hatred.

Pakistani is still struggling because of your officials,diplomats are like you and this post .

The people are rich and the government is poor in Pakistan. The opposite is true in India. Before u come lecturing Pakistanis take a hard look at your nation, and the direction it is taking.
If we have dug ourselves into a pit we are digging ourselves out even under suboptimal leadership.
You are blindly digging. Any port city with investment can develop, and a port city to all the Arab nations you mentioned providing goods from the worlds biggest exporter.
As to whether we can defend it or not, any war will drag Pakistan a few years back, and your nation will be dragged much further. Even in a conventional war, that shall be the case.

 

[SrNair]

They will not consider India a nation to reconcile with, rather a nation that is an enemy. And there is not much that can be said to blame them.

That again is a conceited opinion. Our relationship with the US have taken a downturn but the relationships in central Asia, Russia and eastern Europe have improved.
It is your nation which is being shown loud televised speeches while issues on the ground in India are not much better today for the common man.
Less independant foreign policy, increased polarised as a nation, corrupt politicans having a free ride, farmers and thier outputs falling, the ecobomy propped on figures made on the whims of a few, fdi blocked by red tape, and investors being bothered and most of your neighbours polarised against you. Creating enemies where you once were neutral. But yes India is doing well...
i do not like getting down to ur level of nit picking but all your posts are based on singular hatred.

The people are rich and the government is poor in Pakistan. The opposite is true in India. Before u come lecturing Pakistanis take a hard look at your nation, and the direction it is taking.
If we have dug ourselves into a pit we are digging ourselves out even under suboptimal leadership.
You are blindly digging. Any port city with investment can develop, and a port city to all the Arab nations you mentioned providing goods from the worlds biggest exporter.
As to whether we can defend it or not, any war will drag Pakistan a few years back, and your nation will be dragged much further. Even in a conventional war, that shall be the case.

Well I dont think so
Infact I have been a regular scrutiniser of each and every economy based news in India .
Do you know the salary of a Class four employee in GoI services ?
After new pay commission they may also give direct tax to govt .
I know most of details about it ..All salary base multiplied around 6 times during last 15 years .

It was the private sector growth that started cyclic development success .

So I know all about our economy and you dont have to teach me about it .we also gives aid to other poor nations .
GoI is actually successful in all sectors and are really doing a good job in foreign policy also .
You dont have to square us with Pakistan .This is not some misplaced pride .But I concluded in this way after wide search and a lots of read about our neighbours ,world and us .
Pakistan 'developmental' achievement can see in PDF .Every thing is solely linked in to one thing CPEC .Sonething that would be around 2030 according to Chinese .
Our policies and economical achievements are quite far and wide .



Really ?

Do you know the amount of gold stored in each houses in India from Kashmir to Kanyakumari?
Who need a war with Pakistan ?
We achieved a lots more than a war through our diplomatic success stories .
GoI foreign policies are expanded ,SA is just a small part of them now .They wont give excess interst to it not any more .

WRONG, COMPLETELY WRONG AS PER USUAL. Iran has been trying unsuccessfully for over 20 years to become a nuclear weapons state and is still far off. That too with Russian and Chinese assistance. Egypt tried so many times to become a nuclear weapons state in the 1970s-90s that they gave up in 1999 because of so many failures. Despite their trillions and unlimited wealth, the Saudis still could not become a nuclear weapons state. They tried every trick in the book to do so because of their fear of Iran and still failed. But the Saudis have unofficial nuclear protection from Pakistan because they have and continue to pour in billions into Pakistan's nuclear and advanced missiles programs. And us Pakistanis would always protect the Saudi nation because it is the home, source and essence of our existence. For Pakistanis, Saudi Arabia is the most sacred place on earth.

Don't know what makes you think Pakistan is struggling. In an indian mind I'm sure you think we are. I just came back from Pakistan 2 months ago and can confirm that thanks to the successful initiation of CPEC, there are huge world class infrastructure projects going on all over Pakistan right now. Something that was thought of as impossible only 18 months ago. The ground reality is that Pakistan is now thriving much to the dismay of all our enemies.

Again Pakistan existence is totally depend on CPEC
People are forgetting Pakistan was in there even before this CPEC .

No other nations shows this level of stupidity by clinging the nation's developmental existence in to one project,a generous yet cunning offer of an established cutthroat money lender
Pakistanis like you are the real enemy of Pakistan .
Others wouldnt even care whether you develop or not.

 

[aamirzs]

Problem in South China sea, has elevated the importance of Gwadar port for both Pakistan and Specially China.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Well I dont think so
Infact I have been a regular scrutiniser of each and every economy based news in India .
Do you know the salary of a Class four employee in GoI services ?
After new pay commission they may also give direct tax to govt .
I know most of details about it ..All salary base multiplied around 6 times during last 15 years .

It was the private sector growth that started cyclic development success .

So I know all about our economy and you dont have to teach me about it .we also gives aid to other poor nations .
GoI is actually successful in all sectors and are really doing a good job in foreign policy also .
You dont have to square us with Pakistan .This is not some misplaced pride .But I concluded in this way after wide search and a lots of read about our neighbours ,world and us .
Pakistan 'developmental' achievement can see in PDF .Every thing is solely linked in to one thing CPEC .Sonething that would be around 2030 according to Chinese .
Our policies and economical achievements are quite far and wide .



Really ?

Do you know the amount of gold stored in each houses in India from Kashmir to Kanyakumari?
Who need a war with Pakistan ?
We achieved a lots more than a war through our diplomatic success stories .
GoI foreign policies are expanded ,SA is just a small part of them now .They wont give excess interst to it not any more .


Again Pakistan existence is totally depend on CPEC
People are forgetting Pakistan was in there even before this CPEC .

No other nations shows this level of stupidity by clinging the nation's developmental existence in to one project,a generous yet cunning offer of an established cutthroat money lender
Pakistanis like you are the real enemy of Pakistan .
Others wouldnt even care whether you develop or not.

You're right, Pakistan's existence does not depend on CPEC. CPEC is just the beginning of a new age of prosperity for Pakistan. If others like you don't care whether Pakistan develops or not then what are you and the rest of your kind doing on pdf? You are more then welcome to leave. It would be fantastic if you did. I myself have never ever visited or ever endorsed any indian website, forum, program, film or anything remotely indian whatsoever.

 

[dadeechi]

Yeah yeah yeah. Everyone brings this argument up. I ask in return, who the fu*k else was willing to loan out that much money for development to Pakistan?

Creditors need a solid reason to give out so much money.

There is something called risk. Other lenders have already given substantial amounts of loans.

You cannot get $50k loan from a single credit card company but you could get $10K loans from 5 different companies.

The solid reason is simple. China gets interest on money it lends to Pakistan or any other country and gets almost nothing having them in Treasuries.

Why do you think the US navy sends out a carrier group in the gulf?

Persian gulf has Oil while Pakistan does not.

From a creditor's perspective, will there be much difference?

Of course there is a huge difference from Liability perspective.

In case of investments, China is liable while in case of loans, Pakistan is liable.

 

[Joe Shearer]

You're right, Pakistan's existence does not depend on CPEC. CPEC is just the beginning of a new age of prosperity for Pakistan. If others like you don't care whether Pakistan develops or not then what are you and the rest of your kind doing on pdf? You are more then welcome to leave. It would be fantastic if you did. I myself have never ever visited or ever endorsed any indian website, forum, program, film or anything remotely indian whatsoever.

GOOD for you. Glad to see you've kept yourself pure, from top to bottom.

They will not consider India a nation to reconcile with, rather a nation that is an enemy. And there is not much that can be said to blame them.

It wasn't about blaming the Chinese. It was a personal opinion that they won't come to a military defence. There is reasoning behind it. Wherever China has moved, she has first put in place overwhelming strength, and a very clear strategic vision. Examples: the Korean War, India-China 1962, Vietnam 1989. And in spite of that, Vietnam was a setback of major proportions. Please consider that they have not attempted an invasion of Taiwan, even while huffing and puffing about it for two-thirds of a century.

About Gwadar, I expect to see them build it up as a commercial entrepot first and foremost, and only as a secondary effort, start putting defences in place. They will take their time, they will put in passive defences first, they will slowly expand until they have active defences. Until that time, they will not seek trouble. If there is trouble, they will assess the situation and take action only if they are certain of victory.

As I mentioned, this military vulnerability of Gwadar Port was an incidental aspect of the whole project, mentioned as it is a reality, and it was not intended to take centre space. I am surprised that it has.

That again is a conceited opinion. Our relationship with the US have taken a downturn but the relationships in central Asia, Russia and eastern Europe have improved.
It is your nation which is being shown loud televised speeches while issues on the ground in India are not much better today for the common man.
Less independant foreign policy, increased polarised as a nation, corrupt politicans having a free ride, farmers and thier outputs falling, the ecobomy propped on figures made on the whims of a few, fdi blocked by red tape, and investors being bothered and most of your neighbours polarised against you. Creating enemies where you once were neutral. But yes India is doing well...
i do not like getting down to ur level of nit picking but all your posts are based on singular hatred.

The people are rich and the government is poor in Pakistan. The opposite is true in India. Before u come lecturing Pakistanis take a hard look at your nation, and the direction it is taking.
If we have dug ourselves into a pit we are digging ourselves out even under suboptimal leadership.
You are blindly digging. Any port city with investment can develop, and a port city to all the Arab nations you mentioned providing goods from the worlds biggest exporter.
As to whether we can defend it or not, any war will drag Pakistan a few years back, and your nation will be dragged much further. Even in a conventional war, that shall be the case.

 

[Finer]

GOOD for you. Glad to see you've kept yourself pure, from top to bottom.

What are you doing here if you are not obsessed with Pakistan and everything with Pakistan? He has a point. Answer him.