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Some History of G&B for the shupah powah Indians..

http://www.dawn.com/news/1198967



Using the same argument of Indian claims of Maharaja accession of Kashmir to India..we can legalize our integration of GB into Pakistan as well..actually GB should have been part of Pakistan already since 1947...we just decided to hold it up in limbo..!

Your level frustration at your inability to provide a coherent argument is surprising

India can claim Maharaja's accession, as it rejects UN resolutions.

Similarly you can either choose to legalize GB's accession but then you can no longer hold on to UN resolutions anymore...and there by loose any claim to rest of Kashmir.
 
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Thats bcz china dosen't recognise indian part of kashmir and AP too, see china official maps

India's official position has been the entire state of Jammu & Kashmir is integral part of India as per accession document with the princely state of Kashmir while Pakistan's position has been that it needs to through a UN referendum.

It is India which does not allow Chinese investments in Kashmir.

A Chinese interest is particularly high in railways, in particular electrification, high-speed trains, wagons, last-mile connectivity and gauge conversion. It has also identified sewage treatment and tunnel building as areas where it can offer substantial expertise.

India however is not keen on allowing Chinese investment in sensitive areas like the northeast and Jammu & Kashmir. The two countries share a turbulent past, having gone to war with each other in 1962 leaving unresolved border issues that flare up occasionally.


http://articles.economictimes.india...ucture-development-plan-infrastructure-sector
 
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India has forewarned China many times..that the area is disputed, and not to invest there.

And Chinese seem to agree.

"China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory claimed both by India and Pakistan," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.
Ever heard of that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakoram_Highway

Work on CPEC is already underway. Anyone who thinks that China will roll back her investments is living in his own little fantasy world.

China does not give two hoots on what India says about Pakistan or Kashmir/GB.
 
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Iran is a New Golden Goose Now

With a Trillion Dollar Business Opportunity in a decade to come 10 to 15 yrs is nothing in Geopolitics

India and China want a Big Pie of it

And Iran has all Cards to play tell me which nation will allow the other to take a lead over them
Iran will not let Gwadar project Flourish.... Also ur Saudi tacit support is very well Know to them....

A trillion Dollar trade speaks China with its Manufacturing Base India with its Service Prowess and Special ties to Persia will enable huge market

Rise of Persia is inevitable like it or leave it

both of these nations have no strategic aim in middle east other than Business ofcourse

Imagine This in 2030 India with 10 Trillion Dollar GDP China with 25 Trillion and Iran a 3 Trillion Economy

Lot of balls are going to squeezed some Nuclear ones also

Nukes not mate Economic Size Matters
 
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Ever heard of that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karakoram_Highway

Work on CPEC is already underway. Anyone who thinks that China will roll back her investments is living in his own little fantasy world.

Karkoram highway was built in 60s...it was few million dollar project, it is not a Chinese lifeline.

And it is not me, who has reservations on disputed nature of GB as an impediment to CPEC.

It is Chinese who are saying this.

"China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory claimed both by India and Pakistan," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.
 
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Karkoram highway was built in 60s...it was few million dollar project, it is not a Chinese lifeline.

And it is not me, who has reservations on disputed nature of GB as an impediment to CPEC.

It is Chinese who are saying this.

"China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory claimed both by India and Pakistan," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.
Instead of believing the words of a certain "unnamed official", a reality check would have been better for you.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/89756-Initial-work-on-CPEC-economic-zones-starts

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/15739-china-wants-pakistan-to-increase-pace-of-work-on-cpec-projects

http://www.brecorder.com/top-news/f...-projects-progressing-at-fast-pace-ahsan.html

Despite all of this if you think that China will roll back it's investments just because some official so and so said something then clearly you must come out of your fantasy world and smell the coffee. China has given the go ahead signal. Time for consideration of Indian or anyone else's concerns is over for China.
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You really think that CPEC will not go ahead:enjoy:
 
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:o:o_O C'mon.....Don't get nervous.....Chinese are way way smarter than us and they have decided to invest in Gwadar....We should trust on their judgment. Pakistanis have said so many times that this project will be completed at all cost. No power on earth can stop this. NO ONE.

If we were Saudi lackeys, we would have gone in Yemen war but we didn't. If we were western puppet, we would have never founded our alliance with China. We still face pressure from west regarding China but did we ever listen to them? Pakistan honors friendship and brotherhood. Everyone gets united in Pakistan when it comes to China.

Don't get frustrate, bro. Iran Pakistan gas pipeline was delayed due to sanctions on Iran but now progress is started on this pipeline. It is expected to complete on December 2017. Just read below article

http://www.brecorder.com/fuel-a-ene...oject-to-be-expedited-na-told?date=2016-01-21

As far as Karakorum highway is concerned, i don't know why are you saying this 8th wonder of world a wasted/failed project. This highway is landmark of Pak-China brotherhood and will likely to host huge trade b/w both countries in future. Just recently new tunnels and bridges have been built in it. While building the highway, about 810 Pakistanis and about 200 Chinese workers lost their lives mostly in landslides and falls. Do you really think that we will let their sacrifices to go in vain? NOT AT ALL....

Pakistan is not about prime minister or politicians. It is a home of 200 million, highly optimistic, brave and patriotic people who knows how to guard their country's interests. We will build this corridor at very fast pace. Just wait and watch. :pakistan:
As you are, so you will be ruled - says the Hadis i Shetif. As Imaan and Ihlas is increased, it is reflected in the leadership. I can already see it happening. Who could have thought Paks would figure out all the bluffs of their arch enemy so easily and put up effective counter measures?
 
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Pakistan is the only country that offers China a direct singular route to the Indian ocean. The OP and the journalist who wrote this article need to pull up the world map and explain how Iran offers China the same thing when they don't even share a land border with one another?

As for the Indians wet dream where they think that China actually gives two cents about their opinion, the entire Pak - China friendship is geared towards paring down your influence in the region. In which intergalactic dimension will this change because some sanctions where lifted on Iran?
 
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Instead of believing the words of a certain "unnamed official", a reality check would have been better for you.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/89756-Initial-work-on-CPEC-economic-zones-starts

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/15739-china-wants-pakistan-to-increase-pace-of-work-on-cpec-projects

http://www.brecorder.com/top-news/f...-projects-progressing-at-fast-pace-ahsan.html

Despite all of this if you think that China will roll back it's investments just because some official so and so said something then clearly you must come out of your fantasy world and smell the coffee. China has given the go ahead signal. Time for consideration of Indian or anyone else's concerns is over for China.
887949-NawazXiPID-1431884900.jpg

You really think that CPEC will not go ahead:enjoy:


No one is talking about CPEC being dead. You probably did not read posts on this thread.

See the below post where I posted the proposed Chinese corridors. The Iranian corridor was dormant as Iran was under sanctions. Now the Iranian corridor is picking up speed as the sanctions are gone. Which means that Chinese would no longer be restricted to CPEC. So it up to Pakistan to make it more attractive and less risky than the Iranian corridor

https://defence.pk/threads/guys-is-...-iran-offers-china.420151/page-8#post-8122948
 
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Instead of believing the words of a certain "unnamed official", a reality check would have been better for you.

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/89756-Initial-work-on-CPEC-economic-zones-starts

http://www.thenews.com.pk/print/15739-china-wants-pakistan-to-increase-pace-of-work-on-cpec-projects

http://www.brecorder.com/top-news/f...-projects-progressing-at-fast-pace-ahsan.html

Despite all of this if you think that China will roll back it's investments just because some official so and so said something then clearly you must come out of your fantasy world and smell the coffee. China has given the go ahead signal. Time for consideration of Indian or anyone else's concerns is over for China.
887949-NawazXiPID-1431884900.jpg

You really think that CPEC will not go ahead:enjoy:

When you grow up, have some experience under your belt, you will realize, a lot more happens behind the scene, than in front of it.

You would be fool to not realize, after years of hibernation ,this fresh and sudden impetus of making GB as province of Pakistan is coming from China only.

But so far power corridors in Pakistan are hesitant, for they realize the far reaching consequences of making GB a part of Pakistan on Pakistan's Kashmir narrative.
 
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Pakistan is the only country that offers China a direct singular route to the Indian ocean. The OP and the journalist who wrote this article need to pull up the world map and explain how Iran offers China the same thing when they don't even share a land border with one another?

As for the Indians wet dream where they think that China actually gives two cents about their opinion, the entire Pak - China friendship is geared towards paring down your influence in the region. In which intergalactic dimension will this change because some sanctions where lifted on Iran?

Had you read the posts on this thread you would not have raised the above questions.

You could read the below post

https://defence.pk/threads/guys-is-...-iran-offers-china.420151/page-8#post-8122948
 
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No one is talking about CPEC being dead. You probably did not read posts on this thread.

See the below post where I posted the proposed Chinese corridors. The Iranian corridor was dormant as Iran was under sanctions. Now the Iranian corridor is picking up speed as the sanctions are gone. Which means that Chinese would no longer be restricted to CPEC. So it up to Pakistan to make it more attractive and less risky than the Iranian corridor

https://defence.pk/threads/guys-is-...-iran-offers-china.420151/page-8#post-8122948
China and Iran aren't connected via land. Any proposed alternative route will need to go through Afghanistan or several other adjacent countries. I would love for someone to explain to me how that would be "safer" or "shorter".

Pakistan doesn't have to make anything attractive or less risky anymore. That was all done and dusted before the contracts were drafted. The same contracts that have been executed and work has started. Chinese state firm has also taken control of Gwadar per the lease agreement.

What you are implying is wishful thinking at best and exhibits a lack of understanding of how business is conducted in real life.

Had you read the posts on this thread you would not have raised the above questions.

You could read the below post

https://defence.pk/threads/guys-is-...-iran-offers-china.420151/page-8#post-8122948
Given your lack of reading comprehension. I will bold and underline the below line from my post.

"Pakistan is the only country that offers China a direct singular route to the Indian ocean."
 
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China and Iran aren't connected via land. Any proposed alternative route will need to go through Afghanistan or several other adjacent countries. I would love for someone to explain to me how that would be "safer" or "shorter".

Pakistan doesn't have to make anything attractive or less risky anymore. That was all done and dusted before the contracts were drafted. The same contracts that have been executed and work has started. Chinese state firm has also taken control of Gwadar per the lease agreement.

What you are implying is wishful thinking at best and exhibits a lack of understanding of how business is conducted in real life.


Given your lack of reading comprehension. I will bold and underline the below line from my post.

"Pakistan is the only country that offers China a direct singular route to the Indian ocean."

All the things have already discussed on this thread. You should go back and read the posts before asking questions


Negatives for CPEC:
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1) Need to go through disputed territory of Kashmir

2) Prone to be adversely impacted by spill over of insurgency from Afghanistan

3) Pakistan does not produce/sell Oil & Gas to China

4) All investment risks are shared by China

5) Prone to US/Saudia influence


Positives for Iran:
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1) Free from US/Saudia influence

2) Infrastructure already exists

3) Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan produce & sell Oil & Gas

4) India, China & Russia plan to use this corridor hence the risk is being shared

5) Due to economies of scale RIO for investors is better

6) The participating countries get better revenues due to higher volume and transit fee

7) China could increase it's influence in more countries. Turkmenistan may join SCO.
 
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China mulling trade route with Iran as Pak leadership bickers

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15 hours ago BY Mian Abrar

  • Iranian president says there’s only 36km difference between Gwadar and Chabahar Port; Iran would provide safer route to Chinese shipments
  • Ahsan Iqbal says Chinese investors might opt for other countries if Pakistan fails to resolve domestic issues
While political parties and provincial governments continue to squabble for a bigger pie of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), China is seriously mulling a new trade route linking Xinjiang province with Iran’s Chabahar Port bypassing Pakistan, Pakistan Today has learnt reliably.

During the recent landmark visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to Tehran, the two countries agreed to enhance cooperation including in fossil and renewable energy, transportation, railways, ports, industry, commerce and services.

China, along with the United States, Britain, France, Germany and Russia, was among the countries that reached the agreement with Iran in July to curtail its nuclear activities in exchange for ending international sanctions.

Media reports said China has committed an immediate injection of $51 billion into Iran, vowing to enhance bilateral trade to the tone of $600 billion in the next 10 years. This would almost match China’s immediate investment in Pakistan under the ambitious CPEC project.

A well-placed source in the federal government told Pakistan Today that intelligence reports submitted to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif have warned him about the offer made by Iran.

“During the meeting with President Xi Jinping, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani asked his Chinese counterpart to adopt Chabahar Port rather than Gwadar which would be linked to a secure, beneficial trade route including a pipeline linking Iran and China,” the source said.

“The Iranian president said that there was a difference of only 36 kilometres between Gwadar and Chabahar but Iran would provide a route to Chinese shipments that was safer than Pakistan,” the source added.

The source said that the Iranian leadership gave President Xi Jinping a detailed briefing on its offer, detailing various possible routes from China to Chabahar.

“Moreover, Iran offered provide complete national unity and harmony unlike Pakistan where trade route is unsafe and it also lacks national unity,” the source quoted the intelligence reports.

The source said that national harmony and unity are two words very near and dear to the heart of the Chinese government and it is already concerned about the prospects of the CPEC due to instability and the scourge of terrorism that poses a major threat to the economic corridor.

It is pertinent to mention here that political bickering is increasing among the four provinces of Pakistan. Politicians are all trying to get major chunk out of the CPEC funding. Observers and analysts blame mishandling by the federal government for widespread concern over what they call an uneven distribution of resources among the four provinces.

According to the plan, not only has the Punjab government won the trade route, a major chunk of development and energy projects are being established in central Punjab, which have triggered a debate over the route.

“The Chinese government is largely concerned over the handling of the CPEC. They are unhappy over the fact that the federal and Punjab governments are only interested in energy projects, which the Sharif family wants to be completed before time. But no focus is being laid over the route construction and evolving harmony and unity over the trade route,” the source said.

The source added that China had already completed its part of the trade corridor but Pakistani government was way behind vis-à-vis completion of trade route on its side of the border.

The source said even the military leadership was also unhappy with the handling of the CPEC by the federal government.

“Everything in CPEC is being handled by the close relatives of the prime minister. Even federal ministers are kept out of the loop,” the source said, adding that it was a major reason that while the chief ministers of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Sindh were asking for more shares, none of the federal ministers known for their strong loyalty to Sharifs come forward to defend the CPEC.

When contacted, Planning and Development Minister Ahsan Iqbal said that Iran had already shared its plans for establishing its own corridor with China.

“Yes, they are working on it. In his recent visit to Islamabad, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif had also informed Pakistan about his government’s plans to develop a trade corridor linking Iran and China,” he added.

Iqbal said it was a world of competition and every country has the right to vie for its own advantages.

Asked whether the government feels threatened by the growing interest of China in the Iranian corridor, Ahsan Iqbal said that Pakistan does not feel threatened by Chabahar Port.

“Look, Gwadar provides the best solution to trade ambitions of China. But we have to resolve our problems very fast. Our politicians need to understand that if we keep fighting on shares, entire Pakistan can lose the benefits of CPEC,” he added.

Asked whether there were any chances that China might scrap CPEC for Chabahar, Ahsan Iqbal said China was a time-tested friend and it would never leave Pakistan in the lurch.

“The Chinese government would never leave Pakistan. But if we don’t resolve our differences, Chinese investors might opt for other countries rather than investing in Pakistan,” he added.

Tong Liang, a Chinese journalist based in Islamabad and covering the CPEC, was also of the opinion that there is no alternative to CPEC for Chinese government.

‎”Without any claim of authority as representing a Chinese official, I believe that no alternative of CPEC can be found. CPEC is not a transit corridor that can be replaced by any route that reaches the sea, it is an economic corridor that aims at boosting Pakistan’s development as a modern and industrialised country,” Tong said.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...de-route-with-iran-as-pak-leadership-bickers/

All Pakistani members and Chinese members!!! Your thoughts on this??? Not trying to influence any of your say but in my opinion, Iran can never be true friend of Pakistan...if others can tag some senior members on this thread, it would be very kind of them so that we can have their opinion on this
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China has a direct land border to Pakistan. We don't have a direct land border with Iran.

CPEC has already been started, Gwadar has already been started. It's a done deal.



This seems like bad journalism.

Maybe this "well-placed source in the federal government" can explain how this can work when China and Iran don't even share a land border.
Yes, China only has a direct land link with Pakistan but not Iran !
Yet my prayers are that one day if this trade route is also shared with Iran as well, because in near future when both the Chines and the Russian trade will be in full boom, . . . . those are days we don"t want Indian or American war ships there,
hence I still Pray that we finally use the Iran port as well but the road rout must be through Pakistan only.
Amen
 
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