Guys!!! Is Pakistan in trouble regarding CPEC? Iran offers China

[Hamza913]

Even though I doubt this would actually happen, we should put those fuckers in their place if they suggest such a thing. Make sure they know that ruining this chance for Pakistan would result in the end of the Iranian nation.

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

Even though I doubt this would actually happen, we should put those fuckers in their place if they suggest such a thing. Make sure they know that ruining this chance for Pakistan would result in the end of the Iranian nation.

Calm down......bro. It is not gonna happen. People on this thread explained it very beautifully..Check out whole thread.

 

[mpk1988]

Even though I doubt this would actually happen, we should put those fuckers in their place if they suggest such a thing. Make sure they know that ruining this chance for Pakistan would result in the end of the Iranian nation.

I think the news is based on some hearsay and not true.. but this comment takes the cake..

LMAO!!!



Why wouldn't a sovereign nation look for it's economic betterment?

 

[sohail.ishaque]

CPEC has already started, although I am very disappointed with the KP government's responses on this issue lately.

yeah,.. me too,.. even though i m a very strong PTI supporter, but still the shortsightedness of KP govt has disappointed me.. They proved themselves no different to ANP and JUI..

 

[PakShaheen79]

Well, if this news is really authentic why it was not in mainstream media?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Why would ties with Iran be at the cost of ties with Pakistan? CPEC is an enourmously profitable opportunity for the Chinese- high interest rates being charged to the GoP will see a healthy ROI as well as opening up a market in which they can dump their cheap and over produced goods. Win-win.

I think there is no need of being jumpy. If China Iran corridor is a success Pakistan will also benefit and With China Pak corridor, Iran will benefit. If we come out of our nationalistic bias and tend to think as progress of this whole region like europe does than even India should be part of these network. However we dumbfucks eastern block will always be bottom feeders be ause we are slaves to our prejudices and insecurities.

The Europeans fought between themselves for centuaries, only very recently has peace been established and cooperation fostered. Asia is still a very young region (S.Asia especially) so don't be all doom and gloom- the future is still being writen.

There is one thing Indians know from 1991 experience..no one will come to bail them out financially...Where as Pakistan has plethora of option even at times of deep bankruptcy!

And this is why Pakistan contintues to jump from one sugar daddy to another with all the associated strings attatched whilst India marches to the beat of its own drum and expands ties with all.

A very poor illustration of statecraft indeed.

I doubt you understand, what you are talking about.

The ONLY legal Pakistani claim to Kashmir comes from UN resolutions.

If Pakistan makes move to declare GB a part of Pakistan...UN resolution on Kashmir under Chapter Six(non mandatory enforceability) , becomes defunct as all the parties to dispute have refused to abide by the resolution.

There by taking away Pakistani claim to rest of the Kashmir.

However if the status quo remains, and war breaks out some time in the future..then India is within in its f right to capture any part of Kashmir...including the area through which CPEC passes. ..afterall Cease fire line or LOC is not IB..who ever holds the ground, owns it..and isnt that what Pakistanis tried to do in Kargil..tried to capture peaks on Indian side of LOC..in a bid to alter the LOC.

Here in lies the Chinese dilemma..can they risk investing $46 Billion in a route that passes through disputed region?

Hence recently they have pushing Pakistan to settle LOC as IB with India and make GB a legal part of Pakistan.

Lol, Kashmir is bascially a non-issues these days (for all but Pakistan).

 

[salarsikander]

And this is why Pakistan contintues to jump from one sugar daddy to another with all the associated strings attatched whilst India marches to the beat of its own drum and expands ties with all.

A very poor illustration of statecraft indeed.

Hi,

So much cheap drumming that a country like India has to compare itself with a country like Pakistan ( six times smaller) and yet has hard time in getting Rafales. Hows i sthat deal going on ? I remember you beating the drums as if you were defence minister or something

 

[somebozo]

Your level frustration at your inability to provide a coherent argument is surprising

India can claim Maharaja's accession, as it rejects UN resolutions.

Similarly you can either choose to legalize GB's accession but then you can no longer hold on to UN resolutions anymore...and there by loose any claim to rest of Kashmir.

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Indians only remember UN resolution when they are cornered with Chinese power..great work
Otherwise, Indians themselve do not give damn about UN Resolutions..where is plesbestite??

It means with China backing..we can do whatever we want to do!


And guess who is building with Chinese help??

If things turn ugly then Chinese will definitely build naval base there.......Gwadar is idealized as city like Dubai not some naval base to scare away investors. Let the gwadar build first then we'll see.

Pakistanis trust China and ready to give all their help to our Chinese brethren to ensure peace and stability in region and beyond. People/countries are jealous from this friendship since beginning and they will be in future too.



Pakistan needs to evaluate and assess the post sanction Iran.....what impact they can possibly cause on Pakistan and its interests. Pakistan should set its priorities straight and simple.

A post sanction Iran is good for our mutual economic growth but we need to curb their Ayatollah sponsored smuggling industry which has devastated our tax paying industry by flooding the market with cheap goods. As a rule of thumb shoot smugglers on sight..

Secondly A Chinese naval base is very much a possibility in Gawader especially if Chinese oil purchases from Middle East is shipped via Gawadar. It will ensure saftey, stability and more importantly it will ensure the Indians will not bomb the harbour next time.

Hi,

So much cheap drumming that a country like India has to compare itself with a country like Pakistan ( six times smaller) and yet has hard time in getting Rafales. Hows i sthat deal going on ? I remember you beating the drums as if you were defence minister or something

Not to mention building eith $300 Billion of Chinese investments yet pointing fingers at Pakistan for $46 Billion..

 

[Finer]

CPEC is here to stay. Iran is not stupid to risk its potential alliance with Pakistan knowing its position in Middle East, not to mention sectarian policy between KSA and Iran. India is nobody in ME so Iran would never dare to mess its diplomatic relationship with Pakistan taking many factors into the account.

Plus from the geographical point of view, it is impossible to hold CPEC without Pakistan unless Iran is waiting for India to attack Pakistan and takeover Balochistan. And China is long time ally of Pakistan which Iran understands that value very well. Rest assured, CPEC is here to stay.

In the first page of this thread, the explanations have been provided already.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

if Pak can manage to get the Gawadar port going and build the infrastructure and roads(with or without chinese help),. it's going to become a golden bird,.. btw, not only China but Russia(which has good relations with IRAN) also is looking to benefit from this CPEC.. instead of Chahbar(which the Russians can easily invest in, considering their realtions with Iran) they r more keen on Gawadar.. Thats the reality..

 

[Finer]

CPEC has already started, although I am very disappointed with the KP government's responses on this issue lately.

It was expected. During Dharna year, their tactics was analyzed as anarchism in many ways which could explain Imran Khan's peace campaign with TTP in years despite of reported killing more than 50,000 lives and almost took the life of Malala.

They took cities and towns as hostage to undermine the stability of Pakistan, and cost more than 500 billion rupees to Pakistan. Their tactics have always been about damaging the economy of Pakistan. It is not surprising why they are making noises again since CPEC can be game-changer for Pakistan economy.

if Pak can manage to get the Gawadar port going and build the infrastructure and roads(with or without chinese help),. it's going to become a golden bird,.. btw, not only China but Russia(which has good relations with IRAN) also is looking to benefit from this CPEC.. instead of Chahbar(which the Russians can easily invest in, considering their realtions with Iran) they r more keen on Gawadar.. Thats the reality..

That's not the problem. The problem is PTI. They have managed to take major cities as hostage last year. Last thing Pakistan needs is to dictate CPEC through blackmail tactics taking cities as hostage again. China has already invested a lot, and not creating any more trouble for China is the least Pakistan can do.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

It was expected. During Dharna year, their tactics was analyzed as anarchism in many ways which could explain Imran Khan's peace campaign with TTP in years despite of reported killing more than 50,000 lives and almost took the life of Malala.

They took cities and towns as hostage to undermine the stability of Pakistan, and cost more than 500 billion rupees to Pakistan. Their tactics have always been about damaging the economy of Pakistan. It is not surprising why they are making noises again since CPEC can be game-changer for Pakistan economy.



That's not the problem. The problem is PTI. They have managed to take major cities as hostage last year. Last thing Pakistan needs is to dictate CPEC through blackmail tactics taking cities as hostage again. China has already invested a lot, and not creating any more trouble for China is the least Pakistan can do.

btw i m no fan of NOON or Peoples party,. so stop this political point scoring.. a free and fair election is their right,. don't take hostage the Judiciary and election commision and if then some party do dharna then it shud b blamed,.. Justice is their right and they were only demanding it,..

 

[Finer]

btw i m no fan of NOON or Peoples party,. so stop this political point scoring..

It is not about political scoring. It is about CPEC. CPEC has been made political matter once again thank to PTI. That's how previous projects in the past were turned down. Kaala Baag dam was the best project that could have changed the fate of Pakistan. Now CPEC is facing same trial, but i am glad China is determined to stick with CPEC to the end.

That being said, not putting any problem for China is the least Pakistan can do since China's investment is on the line.

 

[tarrar]

Iran spoke the Indian tongue. But we have to realize & understand the facts that not only India but UAE is also directly involved in working against Gawadar port & as you all just read & heard that Iran is also part of the game not from today or recently but from very long time. The fact is any developmental project which will benefit Pakistan has always been met by force from overseas. For example India is trying very hard to stop the construction of Kalabagh dam, Bhasha dam & Gawadar port & to help India to act swiftly against Gawardar port Iran & UAE are on board & are actively involved in not only lobbying against Gawadar port but in spreading terrorism as well.

 

[somebozo]

Iran spoke the Indian tongue. But we have to realize & understand the facts that not only India but UAE is also directly involved in working against Gawadar port & as you all just read & heard that Iran is also part of the game not from today or recently but from very long time. The fact is any developmental project which will benefit Pakistan has always been met by force from overseas. For example India is trying very hard to stop the construction of Kalabagh dam, Bhasha dam & Gawadar port & to help India to act swiftly against Gawardar port Iran & UAE are on board & are actively involved in not only lobbying against Gawadar port but in spreading terrorism as well.

Sometimes Pathan leftist mentality needs a heavy boot..

Iran spoke the Indian tongue. But we have to realize & understand the facts that not only India but UAE is also directly involved in working against Gawadar port & as you all just read & heard that Iran is also part of the game not from today or recently but from very long time. The fact is any developmental project which will benefit Pakistan has always been met by force from overseas. For example India is trying very hard to stop the construction of Kalabagh dam, Bhasha dam & Gawadar port & to help India to act swiftly against Gawardar port Iran & UAE are on board & are actively involved in not only lobbying against Gawadar port but in spreading terrorism as well.

It is pure business..they are also trying to attract some money...The Chinese are far more sensible to know where to put their dollar..Few days ago Qatar also offered half of IP rate for LNG. So its not like we have run out of tricks to boot Iranians..