Guys!!! Is Pakistan in trouble regarding CPEC? Iran offers China

[dadeechi]

And when that day somes, Pakistan and china both will make sure to protect its interest, both have done it individually in the past and surely can do it together in a better way

That is a very reasonable assessment. Hence India has been preparing for the two front war scenario.

The question is how overtly can China get involved in a Indo-Pak war scenario on Kashmir and what would be the reaction of the world?

check the debt of both coutries first

It's not about the financial condition of each country rather who is making the investments in respective parts of Kashmir.

 

[Osiris]

And when that day somes, Pakistan and china both will make sure to protect its interest, both have done it individually in the past and surely can do it together in a better way

Well that is not how a smart investor, operates..i.e invest in a high risk environment

And Chinese like to believe they are unemotional and detached to "brotherly love", when it comes to business.

 

[somebozo]

No, it is not run by Indians on PDF, but Indians on PDF are taking their cues from Chinese requests to your government(printed in your papers) for implementation of CPEC.

Do Indians on PDF have any impact on Chinese FP??
Nope..Nil....Go mind your own business!

Well that is not how a smart investor, operates..i.e invest in a high risk environment

And Chinese like to believe they are unemotional and detached to "brotherly love", when it comes to business.

Some of the greatest innovations have come from taking the biggest risk...Smart People invest in LCA....and cant make it operational in forty years after tripling the budget..

 

[salmanACCA]

Well that is not how a smart investor, operates..i.e invest in a high risk environment

And Chinese like to believe they are unemotional and detached to "brotherly love", when it comes to business.

Will attacking both Pakistan and china interest at the same time will be a good investment for india? and there is no major investment in Gilgit baltistan area, most of the investment is in the rest of pakistan

 

[somebozo]

India builds with it's own money while Pakistan is building with Chinese money. That is the difference.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lan-75-billion-fund-as-modi-seeks-investments

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/china-offers-invest-300bn-indias-infrastructure-projects-1437191



$300 Billion....

India signs pact with China to better trade ties, gets 20 billion dollars as Chinese investment

India on Thursday signed a 5-year trade and economic cooperation agreement with China with a view to improve the trade balance and obtained USD 20 billion Chinese investment into the country.

http://indianexpress.com/article/bu...ets-20-billion-dollars-as-chinese-investment/

China Agrees to Invest $US 20 Billion into India’s Infrastructure DELHI – India and China have signed a number of agreements aimed at strengthening their respective economies, the most important of which will see $US 20 billion invested into India’s infrastructure over the next five years.

http://www.leadingedgealliance.com/...$US 20 Billion into Indias Infrastructure.pdf

 

[Osiris]

Will attacking both Pakistan and china interest at the same time will be a good investment for india?

All is fair in love and war, they say.

India has forewarned China many times..that the area is disputed, and not to invest there.

And Chinese seem to agree.

"China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory claimed both by India and Pakistan," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1231394

 

[dadeechi]

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...lan-75-billion-fund-as-modi-seeks-investments

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/china-offers-invest-300bn-indias-infrastructure-projects-1437191



$300 Billion....

India signs pact with China to better trade ties, gets 20 billion dollars as Chinese investment

India on Thursday signed a 5-year trade and economic cooperation agreement with China with a view to improve the trade balance and obtained USD 20 billion Chinese investment into the country.

http://indianexpress.com/article/bu...ets-20-billion-dollars-as-chinese-investment/

You still do not get the point. China may invest every where in India and India welcomes it. But China does not invest in Kashmir.

 

[Osiris]

Do Indians on PDF have any impact on Chinese FP??
Nope..Nil....Go mind your own business!



Some of the greatest innovations have come from taking the biggest risk...Smart People invest in LCA....and cant make it operational in forty years after tripling the budget..

Are you freaking kidding me, or you seriously don't know how to respond to argument presented anymore?

 

[somebozo]

All is fair in love and war, they say.

India has forewarned China many times..that the area is disputed, and not to invest there.

And Chinese seem to agree.

"China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory claimed both by India and Pakistan," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1231394

Okay ...SO what we do?? With the help of some friends in Beijing...we turn it into an non-disputed terriortry...
Why cant you digest the fact that GB is defacto part of Pakistan (unless its residents come up holding Indian passports) and we can get away with doing what we want....

Ohh...and now building with the Japanese money as well

By the way the statement in full is presented by a Pakistani official..not a Chinese one...

A third top government official from Gilgit-Baltistan said the move was in response to concerns raised by Beijing about the China Pakistan Economic Corridor, the $46 billion infrastructure plan set to link China's western city of Kashgar to the Pakistani port of Gwadar on the Arabian Sea.

"China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory claimed both by India and Pakistan," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.

Further

Islamabad has historically insisted the parts of Kashmir it controls are semi-autonomous and has not formally integrated them into the country, in line with its position that a referendum should be carried out across the whole of the region.

So the semi autonomy is accorded by Islamabad, and we can choose to take it back...better yet...not forgetting the referendum clause..we can do it legally..run a UN mandated refrendum and annex it by the will of people...

What can India do?
well take some pop-corn and enjoy the party...we will definitely invite you to the inauguration of new assembly hall for the fifth province of Pakistan...

JAPAN INFRASTRUCTURE DEAL TO UNLOCK FURTHER OPPORTUNITIES IN INDIA
Posted on September 4, 2014 by India Briefing


Op-Ed Commentary: Samuel Wrest

Over the weekend, Narendra Modi made his first major state visit to Japan’s former imperial city of Kyoto for summit talks with Prime Minister Shinzo Abe. The subject of the two leaders’ meeting was multifarious and included discussion on the strengthening of security ties, nuclear energy cooperation and the easing of restrictions on exports. Perhaps most important, however, was Tokyo’s pledge to help directly fund projects to improve India’s infrastructure.

Over the next five years, Japan has promised it will invest approximately US$35 billion into several next-generation infrastructure projects in India, including public transportation and smart cities. India’s poor infrastructure is commonly identified as a factor hindering greater foreign direct investment (FDI). This has allowed other Asian countries with existing infrastructure, such as Singapore and Malaysia, to become the preferred destinations for certain types of FDI. Japan’s funding will certainly go some way towards ending this disadvantage, and will help steer India in the right direction to maximize its vast investment potential.

http://www.india-briefing.com/news/japan-infrastructure-deal-india-8964.html/

You still do not get the point. China may invest every where in India and India welcomes it. But China does not invest in Kashmir.

Offcourse because the Indian Occupied Kashmir..is mutually disputed between China and India..
While Pakistan has settled the bordered with China...therefore...China has no beef in Pakistani Kashmir...

 

[Osiris]

Okay ...SO what we do?? With the help of some friends in Beijing...we turn it into an non-disputed terriortry...
Why cant you digest the fact that GB is defacto part of Pakistan (unless its residents come up holding Indian passports) and we can get away with doing what we want....

What you can realistically do is negotiate with India and turn LOC into IB..there by GB will no longer be disputed territory.

And it will allay Chinese fears of investing such a huge amount in a disputed terr.

You will loose your dream of ever controlling the entire J&K, but then lets be realistic, thats not one dream ,you could have ever realized.

 

[salmanACCA]

All is fair in love and war, they say.

India has forewarned China many times..that the area is disputed, and not to invest there.

And Chinese seem to agree.

"China cannot afford to invest billions of dollars on a road that passes through a disputed territory claimed both by India and Pakistan," the official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1231394

china

You still do not get the point. China may invest every where in India and India welcomes it. But China does not invest in Kashmir.

Thats bcz china dosen't recognise indian part of kashmir and AP too, see china official maps

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Political parties of Pakistan have no objection on CPEC. Everyone knows how important it is for Pakistan and China. Some issues emerged but also got settled. Western corridor is being constructed too.

I don't have any problem with China Iran trade but the behavior of Iran is disgusting. They are jealous of Gwadar port from start. I have no doubt about it now.

Welcome to the Iranian reality!! Turkey has been living with it for the last thousand years!!!

 

[somebozo]

What you can realistically do is negotiate with India and turn LOC into IB..there by GB will no longer be disputed territory.

And it will allay Chinese fears of investing such a huge amount in a disputed terr.

You will loose your dream of ever controlling the entire J&K, but then lets be realistic, thats not one dream ,you could have ever realized.

Some History of G&B for the shupah powah Indians..

http://www.dawn.com/news/1198967

The new republic could only maintain itself for 16 days. Mohammad Ali Jinnah, the leader of Pakistan, was then approached and requested permission for Gilgit to join the Pakistan federation. This was an unconditional offer, which was duly accepted by Jinnah. Pakistan sent a political agent to Gilgit Agency, a man named Sardar Alam Khan, while the Frontier Crimes Regulation (FCR) was imposed as the law of the land. Even though the princely states stayed intact, Pakistan had taken over administrative control of Gilgit.

Using the same argument of Indian claims of Maharaja accession of Kashmir to India..we can legalize our integration of GB into Pakistan as well..actually GB should have been part of Pakistan already since 1947...we just decided to hold it up in limbo..!

 

[Osiris]

So the semi autonomy is accorded by Islamabad, and we can choose to take it back...better yet...not forgetting the referendum clause..we can do it legally..run a UN mandated refrendum and annex it by the will of people...

What can India do?
well take some pop-corn and enjoy the party...we will definitely invite you to the inauguration of new assembly hall for the fifth province of Pakistan...



Offcourse because the Indian Occupied Kashmir..is mutually disputed between China and India..
While Pakistan has settled the bordered with China...therefore...China has no beef in Pakistani Kashmir...

Don't you think ..India can do the same in regions of Jammu and Ladakh ..carry out a piecemeal referendum and integrate it fully into India.

The point is, any unilateral move made by Pakistan to assimilate GB, weakens your stand of entire J&K being a disputed territory.

 

[dadeechi]

Okay ...SO what we do?? With the help of some friends in Beijing...we turn it into an non-disputed terriortry...
Why cant you digest the fact that GB is defacto part of Pakistan (unless its residents come up holding Indian passports) and we can get away with doing what we want....

So the semi autonomy is accorded by Islamabad, and we can choose to take it back...better yet...not forgetting the referendum clause..we can do it legally..run a UN mandated refrendum and annex it by the will of people...

What can India do?
well take some pop-corn and enjoy the party...we will definitely invite you to the inauguration of new assembly hall for the fifth province of Pakistan...




Offcourse because the Indian Occupied Kashmir..is mutually disputed between China and India..
While Pakistan has settled the bordered with China...therefore...China has no beef in Pakistani Kashmir...

If the Kashmir is disputed, how can Pakistan-China settle it without involvement of India which is a party to it?

Srinagar, Publish Date: Jan 14 2016 1:04AM | Updated Date: Jan 14 2016 1:04AM

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The proposed move to make Gilgit-Baltistan part of Pakistan province “will harm the disputed status of Jammu and Kashmir and is therefore unacceptable” to people of the State, the Hurriyat Conference (G) chairman Syed Ali Geelani said on Wednesday.
“This move will harm the disputed nature of Jammu and Kashmir and serve as a certificate to India to strengthen its illegal and forced occupation of the state,” he said, reacting to media reports that Gilgit-Baltistan would be made part of Pakistan by the Nawaz Sharif-led government.
“No such action will be acceptable to Kashmiri people. The entire Jammu and Kashmir on both sides of the cease-fire line is a disputed territory and there are no constitutional as well as moral justifications in making any decision over any part of this territory without the consent of its people. It is also a clear violation of the UN resolutions on Kashmir,” the veteran separatist leader said.
Terming Gilgit-Baltistan an integral part of Jammu and Kashmir, Geelani said: “Until a referendum is held in entire state under the supervision of UNO, no separate decision should be taken about this part of the State. It will be a betrayal with Kashmiri people and their sacrifices.”
“We are not against the economic development and prosperity of the South Asian region but creating trade routes at the cost of rights, interests, wishes and sacrifices of Kashmiri nation is unjust and unkind and against the traditional and national Kashmir policy of Pakistan,” Geelani said.

http://www.greaterkashmir.com/news/...tan-with-pak-unacceptable-geelani/206891.html