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Greece vs Turkiye Military Power : Tactical and Strategic Advantages

Can you tell @Beny Karachun and @Akritas about how much money Erdogan gave to muslim countries for charity? You forgot to mention that in this thread.

100 billion in 10 yrs or so was it?
That's nothing for a so called pöwer cöuntry, that is what Germany spend on 50% of the non-working Turks, Arabs, Africans and fresh 2015 "refugees" in 2 yrs for social welfare. :D
Would be better to built a few factories of German companies in Greece (and took them out from Turkey) and give them military aid like the US does with Israel.
5 billion a year military aid but 3/4 is to spend on German military products. :P
 
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100 billion in 10 yrs or so was it?
That's nothing for a so called pöwer cöuntry, that is what Germany spend on 50% of the non-working Turks, Arabs, Africans and fresh 2015 "refugees" in 2 yrs for social welfare. :D
Would be better to built a few factories of German companies in Greece (and took them out from Turkey) and give them military aid like the US does with Israel.
5 billion a year military aid but 3/4 is to spend on German military products. :P
Yes! 100 billion dollars in 10 years! Meanwhile,Germany just decided to have a 300 billion euros budget for the Armed Forces,in one year. But hey,weak Germany cannot be compared to superpower Turkiye,right? :P
 
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Yes! 100 billion dollars in 10 years! Meanwhile,Germany just decided to have a 300 billion euros budget for the Armed Forces,in one year. But hey,weak Germany cannot be compared to superpower Turkiye,right? :P

100 billion but this was nessecary after 30 years of "wE dOn'T wAnT wEaPoNs" or anything military related ...
IMO much too small.
% of GDP should be 2.5% + 150 billion instead of 100 billion.
No useless politic/lobby intervention, only military competent people should decide. Politicans need only to say yes - for the money.
Best would be conscription again, but quality conscription (not every donkey to the army).
 
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Best would be conscription again, but quality conscription (not every donkey to the army).
That would boost the numbers tremendously. Of course keeping the professional army as well. Nothing like a professional,experienced core of hardened veterans leading a bigger number of conscripts. Just like in the mid to late WWII days,where the Wehrmacht was building units around a core of veterans.
 
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That would boost the numbers tremendously. Of course keeping the professional army as well. Nothing like a professional,experienced core of hardened veterans leading a bigger number of conscripts. Just like in the mid to late WWII days,where the Wehrmacht was building units around a core of veterans.

According to the CFE Treaty Adaptation Agreement, Germany "may" have (in active units):
3444 battle tanks (weight >= 16.5 t, cannon >=75mm)
3201 infantry fighting vehicle (personnel transport and cannon >=20mm)
80 combat vehicles with heavy armament (weight >= 6.0t, cannon >=75mm)
2255 artillery systems (guns, mortars and rocket launchers >=100mm)
765 fighter planes
280 Attack Helicopters (anything wired for guided missiles)

There are no restrictions for transport tanks or other armored vehicles without the above armament. According to the last report to UNROCA, the "holdings" in the sense of the total stock available in the country (not in active units as required above, but everything lying around somewhere in the depot or in the industry) are:
26% for main battle tanks
34% for infantry fighting vehicles
14% for artillery systems
31% for fighter planes
40% for attack helicopters

For ships there is no restriction according to KSE. The German Navy was limited in terms of numbers and equipment by an agreement of the WEU with regard to "larger" combat units, hence the focus at the time on smaller combat ships that did not fall under them (and parallel constant adjustment of the agreement, especially in terms of technology...)

370,000 personnel, no more than 345,000 of whom were to be in the Army and the Air Force.

Personal wish:
150.000-200.000 Army (75.000-100.000 professionals)
75.000 Air Force (50.000 professionals)
25.000 Navy (15.000 professionals)
Because of conscription you can choose the "from the beginning" higher quality candidates.
Not included is the SKB (Streitkräftebasis) where you have support elements and military police.

More wishes:
Territorial/Home Guard
In every "Bundesland" you have a Brigade with several btl. or reg. with light UNIFORMED infantry who know partisan warfare.
And militarized police forces. :D
Not that some MMM-E is building a predator-tech-laser in his basement and threatening the state...
 
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According to the CFE Treaty Adaptation Agreement, Germany "may" have (in active units):
3444 battle tanks (weight >= 16.5 t, cannon >=75mm)
3201 infantry fighting vehicle (personnel transport and cannon >=20mm)
80 combat vehicles with heavy armament (weight >= 6.0t, cannon >=75mm)
2255 artillery systems (guns, mortars and rocket launchers >=100mm)
765 fighter planes
280 Attack Helicopters (anything wired for guided missiles)

There are no restrictions for transport tanks or other armored vehicles without the above armament. According to the last report to UNROCA, the "holdings" in the sense of the total stock available in the country (not in active units as required above, but everything lying around somewhere in the depot or in the industry) are:
26% for main battle tanks
34% for infantry fighting vehicles
14% for artillery systems
31% for fighter planes
40% for attack helicopters

For ships there is no restriction according to KSE. The German Navy was limited in terms of numbers and equipment by an agreement of the WEU with regard to "larger" combat units, hence the focus at the time on smaller combat ships that did not fall under them (and parallel constant adjustment of the agreement, especially in terms of technology...)

370,000 personnel, no more than 345,000 of whom were to be in the Army and the Air Force.

Personal wish:
150.000-200.000 Army (75.000-100.000 professionals)
75.000 Air Force (50.000 professionals)
25.000 Navy (15.000 professionals)
Because of conscription you can choose the "from the beginning" higher quality candidates.
Not included is the SKB (Streitkräftebasis) where you have support elements and military police.

More wishes:
Territorial/Home Guard
In every "Bundesland" you have a Brigade with several btl. or reg. with light UNIFORMED infantry who know partisan warfare.
And militarized police forces. :D
Not that some MMM-E is building a predator-tech-laser in his basement and threatening the state...
I imagine the reply:

"Keep dreaming,dreams are for free. Only Turkiye has this kind of army after USA in NATO. And pathetic USA has old UCAV."


But seriously,I like the idea of a Home Guard. It could work like Yugoslavia's TO in a way. I have a love for such units :P
 
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100 billion in 10 yrs or so was it?
That's nothing for a so called pöwer cöuntry, that is what Germany spend on 50% of the non-working Turks, Arabs, Africans and fresh 2015 "refugees" in 2 yrs for social welfare. :D

Turkiye would buy Greek+İsraeli+Egyptian militaries combined for $100 billion instead of humanitarian aid to other countries

still tiny Greece is barking to fight against regional super power Turkiye

even I am not talking about Turkiye lost $1 trillion , because of to fight USA-Europe backed PKK/YPG Terrorism since 1985


and pathetic slave Germany ... first save your Germany from USA invasion

also full of old buildings , old airports , etc in Germany

thanks to president ERDOGAN to spent $1 trillion for public projects since 2003 to modernize Turkiye
 
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Would be better to built a few factories of German companies in Greece (and took them out from Turkey) and give them military aid like the US does with Israel.
5 billion a year military aid but 3/4 is to spend on German military products. :P

Turkiye doesnt need military aid from other countries
We Turks have our own Defense Industry to develop 750+ military projects to kick all enemies

also Turkiye has great Industry to produce 1.200 products to reduce imports by $120 billion
annually

in 10 years = $1,2 trillion USD


we dont care about tiny Greece and slave Germany
 
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Turkiye would buy Greek+İsraeli+Egyptian militaries combined for $100 billion instead of humanitarian aid to other countries

still tiny Greece is barking to fight against regional super power Turkiye

even I am not talking about Turkiye lost $1 trillion , because of to fight USA-Europe backed PKK/YPG Terrorism since 1985
also over $1 trillion


and pathetic slave Germany ... first save your Germany from USA invasion

also full of old buildings , old airports , etc in Germany

thanks to president ERDOGAN to spent $1 trillion for public projects since 2003 to modernize Turkiye





and weak outdated German Armed Forces

Germany has no any modern game changer weapon or weapon projects

keep dreaming with 130mm gun ... outdated war concept from ww2 ... lol

There's a nice album from Blind Guardian,it would fit your mental state:

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still tiny Greece is barking to fight against regional super power Turkiye
Regional superpower Turkiye says garissons on the islands are a threat. Is regional superpower Turkiye afraid of tiny Greek garissons on the islands? :)
 
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Regional superpower Turkiye says garissons on the islands are a threat. Is regional superpower Turkiye afraid of tiny Greek garissons on the islands? :)

in Turkish Sinek küçük fakat mide bulandırır ( The fly is small but nauseous )

and Greece violates international agreements ...
 
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in Turkish Sinek küçük fakat mide bulandırır ( The fly is small but nauseous )
Just admit that your government is following a two-faced,aggressive foreign policy.

Be a man and admit it. Are you wearing trousers? Be a man and admit that you're government wants to grab our islands and is itching for a war.

If Greece is not threat to you,then why do you make such a fuss about it? If Greece is nothing compared to Turkey,then why are you so annoyed by us buying Rafale and FDI HN? Why are you annoyed by our PMs visit in Washington and why are you acting like we are threatening your existence,by having small garissons on our islands?

Stop bragging about your government's double-standards and hypocritical foreign policy. Admit that AKP has been making a lot of mistakes and has been provoking for an armed conflict.
 
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Not that some MMM-E is building a predator-tech-laser in his basement and threatening the state...

and weak outdated German Armed Forces

Germany has no any modern game changer weapon or weapon projects

even French-Germaan FCAS Fighter Jets Program will be delayed for at least 10 more years for 2050 . lol so funny

keep dreaming with 130mm gun ... outdated war concept from ww2 ... lol
 
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Just admit that your government is following a two-faced,aggressive foreign policy.

its Greek government is two-faced and liar


-- to allow USA to open military bases in Greece and USA deployed 1.000 Tanks,AFVs , 150+ Apache,Chinook,Blackhawk Helicopters and dozens of F-15 , F35 Fighter Jets in Greece against Turkiye

-- Greece signed military pact with France against Turkiye

-- Greece vioolates international agreements and arming Islands

-- Greece is crything everywhere not to sell weapons to Turkiye

-- by international law , Greece has zero right in the Eastern Mediterranean
still Greece is trying to steal oil/gas reserves and 150.000 km2 area from the Turks
 
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and weak outdated German Armed Forces

Germany has no any modern game changer weapon or weapon projects

even French-Germaan FCAS Fighter Jets Program will be delayed for at least 10 more years for 2050 . lol so funny

keep dreaming with 130mm gun ... outdated war concept from ww2 ... lol
Yes "weak and outdated"...

How will you deal with 141 Eurofighters?

And the German Navy?

Screenshot_2022-06-08 List of active German Navy ships - Wikipedia.png


What will you do for the tanks and IFVs with APS on them?

What will you do for the 121 PzH 2000?

And more specifically,what will you do if Germany,France and various other EU countries gang up on you?

-- to allow USA to open military bases in Greece and USA deployed 1.000 Tanks,AFVs , 150+ Apache,Chinook,Blackhawk Helicopters and dozens of F-15 , F35 Fighter Jets in Greece against Turkiye
You're in NATO,we're in NATO. Do you have a problem with your ally,USA?
Like you say "Our armament is not for Greece" well then so we can say "The American bases are not for Turkey".

-- Greece signed military pact with France against Turkiye
The defensive agreement does not specify Turkey. It says against any enemy that might threaten us.

-- Greece is crything everywhere not to sell weapons to Turkiye
Turkey is crying everywhere about Greek diplomatic successes. YOU have been crying about it here day and night.

-- by international law , Greece has zero right in the Eastern Mediterranean
still Greece is trying to steal oil/gas reserves and 150.000 km2 area from the Turks
By international law,Turkey should sign UNCLOS if it wants to have a say on this. If not,then you played your cards wrong in the Black Sea and can't ask for that now. So you have to understand how wrong you are,even if you repeat 1000000 times the same crap.
 
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and weak outdated German Armed Forces

Germany has no any modern game changer weapon or weapon projects

even French-Germaan FCAS Fighter Jets Program will be delayed for at least 10 more years for 2050 . lol so funny

keep dreaming with 130mm gun ... outdated war concept from ww2 ... lol

Listen boy, listen very well.
IF Germans want - respective have the same aggressive politics in military sense as Turkey, it would be under top 5 in the world, even without pampering the military as a whole too much.
Just some better things here & there, less hippity hoppity influence and clear structures.
Even planes and helicopters and especially cheap (but effective) drones like TB2 would be NO big problem.
Turks needed them, so they developed them, for sure in the beginning with mostly non-turkish components and still often with foreign-dual use components or unlicensed components.
If Turkey get sanctioned like Russia, they will fight on donkeys.

Some things are "better" if you buy them (circumstances), most things are better when you develop them by your own and others are - if politically correctly supported - multinational.
The thing is, mighty Turkey can't even produce a tank engine by it's own ... no wonder.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country (Yeah I know, many syrian FSA-like brothers are the problem. :D)
And yes, in the past average IQ of German population was even higher, too many non-Europeans here and even own Europeans are becoming more stupid bc of "Liberalism".
 
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