Greece vs Turkiye Military Power : Tactical and Strategic Advantages

[Foinikas]

And yet what he is doing, that is, the style of his answers, is what Cavousoglou has been doing lately.
E.g. a week ago he came out and said that Greece has not responded to Turkish letters to the UN. Greece, meanwhile, has responded to both.
Today, he repeats the same thing.
Who is he trying to convince?
Obviously the followers of his AKP party, but is also a .... political strategy, which, however, leads to misinformation.

Man,he talks as if he is the official AKP mouthpiece! Everything Erdogan and Cavusoglu say,he just repeats it here!
He's been constantly repeating the exact same phrases and long lists of Turkish weapons for months and months.
No matter what you say,you cannot find logic. When he is cornered about a lost battle or war,he just goes back to repeating his same phrases.

At first,I tried to talk to him in a logical manner. I tried to debate with him and see if he can have a sense of humor or respect, but there's just absolutely no reasoning with him. It's pointless.

No wonder you'll rarely see other Turks posting on his threads

Meanwhile,we know where the hypocrisy is...

 

[Beny Karachun]

300 km against UCAVs ? no

maybe against AEWCs or Bombers (depending on the engagement dynamics)



and Tel Aviv , Haifa , etc have altitude of 5 m ( see level )

Turkish SOM Cruise Missile is capable of flying under the radar level at 2.5-3.5 m
and attack senario will be from Sea to land over the Eastern Mediterranean

Israeli Air Defense Systems maybe good for İranian Ballistic Missiles
how to stop Turkish SOM Cruise Missile which flying under the radar level at 2.5-3.5 m ?


also Russian S400 is located at sea level in Latakia region of Syria

so difficult to intercept state of the art stealth SOM Cruise Missile
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Bayraktar TB-2 UCAV has been designed to emit a low-radar signature
it's slow speed and size, which give it a low radar cross section making it very likely that it fell below the detection threshold of many Radars


Turkish Bayraktar TB-2 entered Greek airspace for 16km .. and TB-2 Drone was near of American military base in Greece .. and Radars could not detect/trace TB-2 Drone

Greeks learned about this from flightradar24.com


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Pantsir-S1 (EHF/UHF)
10 km RCS 0,1 m2
7 km RCS 0,03 m2


The TB-2 UCAV speed is at a very low level of 130 km/h. Since radars are usually programmed to jets and rockets, TB2s can bypass the radar barrier

for example The air defense systems can detect aircrafts below 360 km/h at a distance of 6.4 km and at an altitude of 5 km.

TB-2 can fly slower than 130 km/h. It can fire ammunition from altitudes above 5.5 km.

even S-300s perceive flights at speeds below 180 km/h as an internal malfunction and cannot follow it..... therefore Syrian S200 S300 could not anything against Turkish TB-2 UCAVs

so hard to detect and track TB-2 UCAVs
needs to use Fighter Jet radars to intercept TB-2s

Flying low won't save you, Israel is preparing for anything Iran has, Iran has pretty much anything Turkey has in terms of cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones. Israel has blimps with radars for OTH radars, as well has radars on the Golan Heights.

Giant missile-detecting balloon begins operational use over northern Israel | The Times of Israel

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Maybe Russian radars don't detect such drones, Israel is not Russia, Iran sends small drones into Israel from Lebanon many times, they fly below the tree lines sometimes, we always detect them. They're smaller than what Turkey has.


You act like no TB 2 drones have been shot down. Ukraine's TB2 drones were depleted. And that's against shit tier Russian air defenses.

 

[Foinikas]

Flying low won't save you, Israel is preparing for anything Iran has, Iran has pretty much anything Turkey has in terms of cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones. Israel has blimps with radars for OTH radars, as well has radars on the Golan Heights.

Giant missile-detecting balloon begins operational use over northern Israel | The Times of Israel

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Maybe Russian radars don't detect such drones, Israel is not Russia, Iran sends small drones into Israel from Lebanon many times, they fly below the tree lines sometimes, we always detect them. They're smaller than what Turkey has.


You act like no TB 2 drones have been shot down. Ukraine's TB2 drones were depleted. And that's against shit tier Russian air defenses.

Now he's going to mock Iran and tell you that Iran is pathetic compared to Turkey.

 

[Beny Karachun]

IRON BEAM is 100 kilowatt, then dream about 500 kilowatt

Israel has no even single mode LASER Weapon technology
only USA and Turkiye in the World .... ( China also working on single mode LASER )


multi-mode LASER Weapon technology has high energy buy low beam quality

There's no information on whether Iron Beam is single mode beam or multi mode beam.

There's practically no information about it at all. All there is to know is it could intercept drones, rockets, mortars and ATGMs and anything else that could fly from 10+ kilometers away. This falls into the 100KW range.

Israel literally mounted on a Cesna sized airplane what the US needed a destroyer for.

You said "Then dream about 500kilowatt" it's ironic when it comes from you, the majority of the weapon systems you boast about are in fact dreams, not reality. It's going to happen eventually.

 

[Beny Karachun]

Greetings!
Good writing but not completely true.

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AMAP-ADS - Wikipedia

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US testings​

A Textron ASV vehicle has been modified and equipped with the AMAP-ADS hardkill-system. Then it was tested 6 weeks extensively at Redstone Arsenal in Huntsville, Alabama. These tests were overseen by the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Different types of RPGs and ATGMs were launched at various spots like the sides or the roof from close range (15 metres (49 ft), including multi-hit attacks, in which multiple threats were used in a short period of time. AMAP-ADS met or even exceeded all US requirements during the tests. The operationability in hot climates was also proven.

Rheinmtall ADS/StrikeShield is working as the fastest.
Can work vs top down - like Trophy only to a certain angle.
You have AMAP passive armor WITH the ADS so you could place it in front of the engine.
Diehl AVePS is like Iron Fist, launcher based, 360° 4x+ launch tubes.
Both of them were tested in the 2000s against (then) current APFSDS and weakened them so much that a stronger vehicle woulnd't take substantial damage.
The older variants were not heavy, 140kg for lighter vehicles and 500kg for heavier vehicles and since it has become StrikeShield it's built in AMAP armor modules.
100% 500-560 microseconds is faster than Trophy.
Problem with Trophy is against Peer enemies, they will detect the radar signature very early.

Well, as I said, I don't understand the functional difference between AMAP-ADS and modern ERA.


Having faster reaction time than the Trophy is not disputed, as it's essentially an ERA. Single use "plate". Saying the Trophy is slow is wrong.
One could argue that the Trophy/Iron Fist are faster because they blows up the threat from 10 meters.

Merkava uses AESA radars. They're inherently much harder to detect, because they have a much bigger range of frequencies than other radars. That's the reason F-35s and F22s use AESA and remain stealthy. A

There's next generation Trophy APS prototypes already, a mix of Iron Fist and Trophy from what I understood.

As of now the only combat proven, most effective APS is the Trophy, and that's why 700+ units were exported.

 

[MMM-E]

Israel literally mounted on a Cesna sized airplane what the US needed a destroyer for.

You said "Then dream about 500kilowatt" it's ironic when it comes from you, the majority of the weapon systems you boast about are in fact dreams, not reality. It's going to happen eventually.

so funny

even Turkish 20kw single mode LASER Weapon has much better beam quality than Israeli 100 kw multi mode LASER

Your multi-mode LASER has high energy but beam quality is poor

Turkish Weapons are combat proven from UCAVs to Radar EW Systems , from Missiles to LASER Weapons against Russian , Chinese and Western weapons in Syria,Libya and Ukraine

Turkiye is the first Country in the World that used LASER Weapon in real conflict zone

in 2020 , Turkish LASER Weapon turned Chinese made WING LOONG-II UCAV into burned bird in Libya

 

[MMM-E]

Flying low won't save you, Israel is preparing for anything Iran has, Iran has pretty much anything Turkey has in terms of cruise missiles, ballistic missiles and drones.

only in your dreams

 

[Beny Karachun]

so funny

even Turkish 20kw single mode LASER Weapon has much better beam quality than Israeli 100 kw multi mode LASER

Your multi-mode LASER has high energy but beam quality is poor

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Turkish Weapons are combat proven from UCAVs to Radar EW Systems , from Missiles to LASER Weapons against Russian , Chinese and Western weapons in Syria,Libya and Ukraine

Turkiye is the first Country in the World that used LASER Weapon in real conflict zone

in 2020 , Turkish LASER Weapon turned Chinese made WING LOONG-II UCAV into burned bird in Libya
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How do you know if Israeli laser is multi mode or single mode lol?

 

[MMM-E]

Maybe Russian radars don't detect such drones, Israel is not Russia, Iran sends small drones into Israel from Lebanon many times, they fly below the tree lines sometimes, we always detect them. They're smaller than what Turkey has.

not Radars but E/O Systems detect small UAVs

You act like no TB 2 drones have been shot down. Ukraine's TB2 drones were depleted. And that's against shit tier Russian air defenses.

Nahh
not TB-2s but Ukraine's MAM-L laser guided munitions were depleted
even Russia used Fighter Jets against TB-2 UCAVs

and TB-2s destroyed over 1.000 of AFVs,Tanks,Howitzers,MLRS,Air Defense Systems in Syria,Libya,Karabakh and Ukraine

on the other hand , only a few dozens of TB-2 loses in Syria,Libya,Karabakh and Ukraine



and Israeli technology is a toy to compare with Russian Missile technology

Israel can fight against only home-made Rockets from Palestine ... nothing else

How do you know if Israeli laser is multi mode or single mode lol?

We know only USA and Turkiye have developed single mode LASER ( China also working on single mode )

Israel,India,Germany,etc develops multi-mode LASER


We have see İsraeli LASER against plastic UAV ...lol
high energy but poor beam quality

Turkish 20 kw single mode LASER against 22mm steel for Warships

 

[Foinikas]

not Radars but E/O Systems detect small UAVs




Nahh
not TB-2s but Ukraine's MAM-L laser guided munitions were depleted
even Russia used Fighter Jets against TB-2 UCAVs

and TB-2s destroyed over 1.000 of AFVs,Tanks,Howitzers,MLRS,Air Defense Systems in Syria,Libya,Karabakh and Ukraine

on the other hand , only a few dozens of TB-2 loses in Syria,Libya,Karabakh and Ukraine



and Israeli technology is a toy to compare with Russian Missile technology

Israel can fight against only home-made Rockets from Palestine ... nothing else






We know only USA and Turkiye have developed single mode LASER ( China also working on single mode )

Israel,India,Germany,etc develops multi-mode LASER


We have see İsraeli LASER against plastic UAV ...lol
high energy but poor beam quality
but still tiny Israel is better than all Islamic countries combined , except Turkiye

Turkish 20 kw single mode LASER against 22mm steel for Warships
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Another stupid post by you.

Day-dreamer Turkey is day-dreaming. Remember we kicked your navy 110 years ago. Even tiny Greece kicked bandit country Turkiye from EEZ.

Nobody can mess with tiny Greece.

Stop crying now,little baby.

 

[MMM-E]

Another stupid post by you.

Day-dreamer Turkey is day-dreaming. Remember we kicked your navy 110 years ago. Even tiny Greece kicked bandit country Turkiye from EEZ.

Nobody can mess with tiny Greece.

Stop crying now,little baby.

another stupid post from you

keep dreaming dream is free
and keep crying everywhere like little girls to stop Turkiye



even Greece+France could not match with Turkiye in the Eastern Mediterranean
only Turkish UCAVs and missile power are enough your pathetic Navies ....lol

 

[Foinikas]

keep dreaming dream is free

Welcome to the dreamers club. How big do you want your imaginary Turkey?

 

[MMM-E]

Welcome to the dreamers club. How big do you want your imaginary Turkey?

crying little girls

Turkish Frigates carried out radar targeting three times, suggesting a missile strike was imminent,
This is an extremely aggressive act that is unacceptable by an ally against a NATO ship French defence ministry


Pathetic French cried like little girls in NATO
and NATO said stop crying ..lol

France blasts ‘extremely aggressive’ Turkish intervention against NATO mission targeting Libyan arms

France's defence ministry on Wednesday denounced an "extremely aggressive" intervention by Turkish frigates against a French navy vessel participating in a NATO mission in the Mediterranean. Turkey,…

www.france24.com

wth is tiny-weak Greece ?
even your MASTERs can not save you as like 1922,1974,1996


regional super power Turkiye is not Greece or Iraq or Syria or Libya or Mali

 

[Akritas]

Turkiye is the first Country in the World that used LASER Weapon in real conflict zone

in 2020 , Turkish LASER Weapon turned Chinese made WING LOONG-II UCAV into burned bird in Libya

The AN/SEQ-3 Laser Weapon System used by the US Navy,it needs a 50 KW generator and has a range of 1,6 km to fry sensors, burn out motors, and detonate explosive materials.
So the Turks built a laser, that works with the battery of the simple vehicle.......

 

[Foinikas]

crying little girls

Turkish Frigates carried out radar targeting three times, suggesting a missile strike was imminent,
This is an extremely aggressive act that is unacceptable by an ally against a NATO ship French defence ministry


Pathetic French cried like little girls in NATO
and NATO said stop crying ..lol

France blasts ‘extremely aggressive’ Turkish intervention against NATO mission targeting Libyan arms

France's defence ministry on Wednesday denounced an "extremely aggressive" intervention by Turkish frigates against a French navy vessel participating in a NATO mission in the Mediterranean. Turkey,…

www.france24.com

wth is tiny-weak Greece ?
even your MASTERs can not save you as like 1922,1974,1996


regional super power Turkiye is not Greece or Iraq or Syria or Libya or Mali

Can you tell @Beny Karachun and @Akritas about how much money Erdogan gave to muslim countries for charity? You forgot to mention that in this thread.