Govt seeks Army's help in negotiations!

[SBD-3]

I take offense with this post.

While Pakistan Army is not US Army in might and power projection, it is one of the few organized and functioning institutions in the country and the only institution which have saved Pakistan from absolute devastation from multiple external and internal threats using both hard and soft methods.

Since the loss of great civilian leaders such as Liaqat Ali Khan and Quaid-e-Azam, Pakistan have witnessed a long break in emergence of a great civilian leader until Imran Khan. And Imran Khan had to work really hard to mobilize the educated class of this nation to step-up and challenge prevalent status-quo and mafia culture in the country (18+ years of struggle involved).

Why do you think that the army had to step-in to resolve the current political crises? Only and only due to ineptness of Sharif Brothers. This family have proven to be incapable of understanding the issues of the masses, take principled stand on matters of national interests and learn from past mistakes.

Shukar hay ghalti se he kuch to sach nikla yahan logon key munh se.Warna log to drones ko F-16s se tabah karnay key liyay tayar bethay huay thay.

 

[Chak Bamu]

And Nawaz & Shahbaz were handpicked by a general under martial law conditions and brought to power. You forgot that huh!

I really do not wish to engage you, but I shall just point out that if a pawn survives long enough, it finally gets to the end of the board and becomes a vizier. So, you can keep asserting PA's ownership rights, but that time passed way back in 1992, probably before your were born.

 

[Kompromat]

In the face of all Army haters.

 

[Jango]

Gen Pasha was known as a backer of PTI even much before his retirement.

Got any proof of that? How exactly did he back them?

 

[rockstar08]

Army is not happy with NS and their ministers from Day-1 ...
and the " Bharat milaap " Modi and NS make Army a bit more concerned ...
better get rid of such " Uthao " PM

 

[metalfalcon]

He was brought to a position where he had NO other choice. Do you see that?

I do not deny that PML-N people's ineptness. But this HAD to happen one way or the other. Be gullible or act smart. Its up to you.

Dear Bro Plz be Thankful that it was NOT the MARTIAL LAW, Judges Crisis was solved by Phone call from Gen Kiyani and Now this TOPI DRAMA has been solved by Gen Raheel Shareef. WELCOME to Politics of Pakistan. This is "LANGRII LOOHLII JAMHOORIYAT", without support from Army this infant Democracy wont Evolve.

 

[SBD-3]

So what? what this have to do with demands of IK and TUQ for which they are doing dharna ?

Seriously, it is being discussed for a month now that the current termoil was tailored by the scriptwriters to ensure a smooth exit of Musharraf. Even the dispute between Ch Nisar and NS was because CH Nisar has assured army that Mushi will be given a free way while Nawaz refused to allow him go. There is a whole lot story behind the #Azadi and #Inqilab.

 

[Bratva]

Forget it. Either you 'get' it or you do not.

Gen Pasha was known as a backer of PTI even much before his retirement. According to many journalists, he would harangue journalists about the problems and limitations of current leaders and virtues of IK. According to Myra McDonalds (a foreign journalist based in Pakistan), in 2010 flood Army people took care to especially point out IK's contributions in the rehabilitation process. Four days before launch of Dharna, Gen (R) Shuja Pasha met IK in DHA Lahore at house of a PTI leader.

You see whatever you wish to see. You may choose not to see what you do not wish to see. Its up to you.

I know all of this. If civilian government had done what IK asked in start of this year, would situation escalate to this point ?

If Civilian government hadn't killed the TUQ people, would situation escalate to this point ?

Non-state actors just took advantage of the Handi IK and TUQ was preparing for Nawaz by adding tarkaa in it.

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

Indeed they help resolves the problem after creating it by themselves in the first place.....great army.

Its army that created problem in model town?... Army created rigging?... PMLN was making futile effort to hide behind army, to save face, to save corruption, to save from past cases, to save face from model town incident, but salute to army, they will not become party of bad water.

 

[SBD-3]

Aap ka apna PM hi mintain kar raha tha COAS kay sath...and now finally after much insistence, he has come into the public role in this situation.

Had Nawaz Sharif and the lot had enough political acumen, this wouldn't have happened.

Ab yeh halat hogye hay....I mean seriously! find a better excuse for face saving...

 

[Bratva]

Seriously, it is being discussed for a month now that the current termoil was tailored by the scriptwriters to ensure a smooth exit of Musharraf. Even the dispute between Ch Nisar and NS was because CH Nisar has assured army that Mushi will be given a free way while Nawaz refused to allow him go. There is a whole lot story behind the #Azadi and #Inqilab.

My only contention is, you and Vcheng both absolving Civilian government from their sins. You need a starting point, a moral standing, Non state actors only played along. If government hadn't provided those morals standings, would whole awam had to watch this drama unfolding in front of Parliament ?

 

[SBD-3]

Got any proof of that? How exactly did he back them?

Abhi bhee? seriously you guys have eyez wide shut while discussing anything to your beliefs.

 

[Verve]

Anti-Army bashers are burning!

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

This is the only country in the world where Its own defense minister speaks against its own army. Shame on our politicians.

 

[That Guy]

How can ARMY Help?? What are the Services Mian Nawaz Shareef needs from Army ??

Mediation. This has been going on for a while now, they're just making it official. The military is going to act as a guarantor of any deal between the gov and protesters.

To everyone else, no, the military does not have some sort of back door deal with the gov to hand over strategic policy making to the army, that's just shoddy journalism from WSJ, a foreign news agency known for it's poor journalistic quality control.