Govt asks economist Atif Mian to step down from Economic Advisory Council

[TMA]

My friend, I'm sure you're an educated person working for a good firm in the UK. What you have achieved in the UK, despite your heritage. Do you think you could achieve the same in Pakistan being a minority? We all cry rivers when we were of something against the minorities happening here in the UK, why shouldn't we cry when the same happens in Pakistan? You are free to build as many Mosques in the UK as you want, when is the last time a brand new Church was built in Pakistan?

We call people "Kafir", who are we to call people that?

Pakistan may have been found for the Muslim majority of British India however does that mean that other non-Muslim citizens in Pakistan are not equal to me? I don't think so. They should get the same opportunities I get to prosper in my beautiful Pakistan.

Religious minorities are given the opportunities to have education, healthcare, voting rights, going to places of worship etc etc like Muslims. It is just certain positions of power are off limits to them as per the Constitution, this is not oppression or persecution... you are mis equating.....also if I were to give my honest opinion on lets say homosexual marriage at my work place....guess what you think would happen in this land of free speech...?
Every society has her limits...the UK has hers and Pakistan has hers...but the real question is how to determine what these limits are...which brings me back to my original question...Can a State which declares itself Islamic have a non Muslim leader??

 

[The Diplomat]

Ask that to the Qadyani Khalifa who said on the Parliament floor that anyone who doesn't believe in Mirza Ghulam to be a nabi is a kafir.

Anyone who uses that word should be ashamed, I don't care what sect you follow.

To me, everyone is Pakistan are equal citizens. If they meet the merit then they are good enough to serve the nation.

I'll take the hypocrite part back, you're right that people change over time. It's natural. However a person that is about to get the Nobel Prize for his work in Economics, a man that teaches at one of the best universities on this planet could have helped get this country's economy back on track. I'm upset.

Go look at his twitter account in details, and some tweets I've posted here as well.

Losing my job in UK for being a muslim is fine, I'll migrate or run my own business. Allah provides.

This guy is not short of money that without the advisor job he'll starve. Life goes on.

I'll check it out.

Religious minorities are given the opportunities to have education, healthcare, voting rights, going to places of worship etc etc like Muslims. It is just certain positions of power are off limits to them as per the Constitution, this is not oppression or persecution... you are mis equating.....also if I were to give my honest opinion on lets say homosexual marriage at my work place....guess what you think would happen in this land of free speech...?
Every society has her limits...the UK has hers and Pakistan has hers...but the real question is how to determine what these limits are...which brings me back to my original question...Can a State which declares itself Islamic have a non Muslim leader??

I see no problem in an Islamic nation having a non Muslim leader. The reason being is that the PM has no interference with religion, the PM's job is to smoothly run the country... Anyone can do that with out being Muslim.

 

[TMA]

Ask that to the Qadyani Khalifa who said on the Parliament floor that anyone who doesn't believe in Mirza Ghulam to be a nabi is a kafir.



Go look at his twitter account in details, and some tweets I've posted here as well.

Losing my job in UK for being a muslim is fine, I'll migrate or run my own business. Allah provides.

This guy is not short of money that without the advisor job he'll starve. Life goes on.

Verve, don’t ya know, minorities especially the Ahmadiyya can consider those who do not accept Mirza Ghulaam Ahmed as non Muslims...it is a minority right(!)

 

[Verve]

FYI: http://cpec.gov.pk/significance-potential/4

You are not fooling me.

I ask you: have you attended any CPEC summit?

So. It lists the areas of investment opportunities.

Investing company buys/leases land, constructs a production plant, starts trading ... what's that got to do with China and Pakistan's loan agreement?

You are fooling yourself.

 

[The Diplomat]

@TMA @Verve can you please send me a link of the tweet. I can't find it. Thanks.

 

[Verve]

I see no problem in an Islamic nation having a non Muslim leader. The reason being is that the PM has no interference with religion, the PM's job is to smoothly run the country... Anyone can do that with out being Muslim.

You do not see a problem, but there is a huge problem for a non-muslim to run a system based on Quran and Hadith.

Anyone who uses that word should be ashamed, I don't care what sect you follow.

Qadyanis declared the majority of Pakistani muslims to be kafirs. That's their belief.

Now go figure.

@TMA @Verve can you please send me a link of the tweet. I can't find it. Thanks.

They are in this thread too.

 

[LeGenD]

So. It lists the areas of investment opportunities.

Investing company buys/leases land, constructs a production plant, starts trading ... what's that got to do with China and Pakistan's loan agreement?

You are fooling yourself.

I proved my point of transparency with NAFTA. You are playing tricks with me, and these won't work.

Now where is the report highlighting pros and cons of CPEC and how Pakistani public can take advantage of it?

Please also tell me what kind of information an economic Think Tank or advisory body be provided in relation to CPEC? Loan-related data, right?

 

[The Diplomat]

Qadyanis declared the majority of Pakistani muslims to be kafirs. That's their belief.

Now go figure.

Some of their Mullahs might of. Does not represent to vast majority of them.

You do not see a problem, but there is a huge problem for a non-muslim to run a system based on Quran and Hadith.

Our government runs of which part of the Quran and which Hadith?

Our MPAs and MNAs set the laws of the land.

 

[Verve]

I proved my point of transparency with NAFTA. You are fooling yourself actually.

Now where is the report highlighting pros and cons of CPEC and how Pakistani public can take advantage of it?

Please also tell me what kind of information an economic Think Tank or advisory body be provided in relation to CPEC? Loan-related data, right?

Your point was that companies investing in Pakistan would want to know the loan agreement between China and Pakistan given to them. Trade agreements will be shared, when the time comes. But loan agreements between two nations, NO!

 

[TMA]

Anyone who uses that word should be ashamed, I don't care what sect you follow.

To me, everyone is Pakistan are equal citizens. If they meet the merit then they are good enough to serve the nation.

I'll take the hypocrite part back, you're right that people change over time. It's natural. However a person that is about to get the Nobel Prize for his work in Economics, a man that teaches at one of the best universities on this planet could have helped get this country's economy back on track. I'm upset.


I'll check it out.


I see no problem in an Islamic nation having a non Muslim leader. The reason being is that the PM has no interference with religion, the PM's job is to smoothly run the country... Anyone can do that with out being Muslim.

Can one expect or demand justly from a non Muslim leader to uphold and fulfil the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan? I mean can one psychologically expect a non Muslim to wholeheartedly work for the Ideals of establishing and improving an Islamic society as per the Constitution?
Have you read the Constitution or even a little...there is quite a lot of mention of Allah, Quran, Sunnah....??? I know hardly anyone pays attention to it...but at least on paper...

The answer is a resounding NO. Even secularists know this, hence why some of them want the Constitution changed to allow for this to happen...

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

 

[TMA]

Some of their Mullahs might of. Does not represent to vast majority of them.


Our government runs of which part of the Quran and which Hadith?

Our MPAs and MNAs set the laws of the land.

Nope. Mirza Ghulaam Ahmed made this takfir.

 

[LeGenD]

Your point was that companies investing in Pakistan would want to know the loan agreement between China and Pakistan given to them. Trade agreements will be shared, when the time comes. But loan agreements between two nations, NO!

You misunderstood my points and jumbled them up.

I was talking about transparency of CPEC for economic advisors and investors respectively.

 

[Verve]

Some of their Mullahs might of. Does not represent to vast majority of them.

Their KHALIFAH (i.e. leader and representative) said that, so you are wrong to assume that it does not represent the vast majority of them.

Our government runs of which part of the Quran and which Hadith?

Our MPAs and MNAs set the laws of the land.

Our constitution is clear on it. Implementation has been an issue.

 

[The Diplomat]

Can one expect or demand justly from a non Muslim leader to uphold and fulfil the Constitution of the Islamic Republic of Pakistan? I mean can one psychologically expect a non Muslim to wholeheartedly work for the Ideals of establishing and improving an Islamic society as per the Constitution?
Have you read the Constitution or even a little...there is quite a lot of mention of Allah, Quran, Sunnah....???

You must know that Pakistan was not an Islamic Republic until Zia came into power. I have read it and sure, there may be certain paragraphs quoting the Quran however will the running of the state be effected if a non Muslim takes command of the country for 5 years? Majority of our MPs will most likely be Muslim. The power is in the hands of the MP.