Glavin: Squeezed by China and Trump, Canada must rewrite foreign policy – fast

[BringHarmony]

Maybe instead they should have put that effort into developing their own 5G infrastructure technology.

Actually this is more non-sensical. Do you really think US businesses is worried about Huawei's 5G technology or products? Qualcomm holds far more patents in mobile communication than Huawei can ever hope to do. Heck even in 5G. Plus, usually communication technology companies work in consortiums where they pool patents and push for standards and they cross license their patents.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Actually this is more non-sensical. Do you really think US businesses is worried about Huawei's 5G technology or products? Qualcomm holds far more patents in mobile communication than Huawei can ever hope to do. Heck even in 5G. Plus, usually communication technology companies work in consortiums where they pool patents and push for standards and they cross license their patents.

If that's true how come they can't build their own 5G infrastructure?

Huawei has already been banned by the USA so they don't get any benefit from those patents.

 

[Nilgiri]

Donald Trump's justice department was the one who filed the arrest warrant in the first place, and he has made it clear that it is not an issue of law and order, but an issue of gaining political and trade benefits.

I don't think they can complain when China responds in the same way. Even if Meng is released the precedent has already been set.

Canada can only process the extradition request on what was stipulated as the rationale on it at the time of filing from US DOJ.

Trump only knew of all of this after it had all happened (or you telling me he personally orders and directs all the AG offices cases?) and he made his comment on it regarding what could happen down the road after far more things have been set into motion.

If China feels it was "Trump intent" from the start....that is a feeling they can endorse for themselves and act accordingly (and get all the consequences from that too). No one else at the requisite levels is buying it (and I doubt China's govt seriously does either behind its posturing and optics). China can also be the first country to set an example in producing public evidence before charges are laid/arrests/extraditions are made too...before asking others to do so (while it doesnt).

 

[jhungary]

If that's true how come they can't build their own 5G infrastructure?

Huawei has already been banned by the USA so they don't get any benefit from those patents.

Again, who tell you US cannot build their 5G? Then what is AT&T doing?

https://www.sdxcentral.com/5g/definitions/att-5g/

Also, Huawei was BARRED from business WITHIN the United States, that is not the same as US company is bar from doing business with Huawei like they did with ZTE just a few months back, Huawei still depends on a lot of US patent (especially Qualcomm one) for 5G development.

Make no mistake, US can make 5G tech on their own, on the other hand, China cannot. In fact, both AT&T and Verizon have their own different 5G network, one partner with Samsung, the other partner with QUALCOMM.

You keep saying US cannot develop their own 5G network does not make it true, it just make you ill-informed.

 

[T-Rex]

We will win one way or another. We might even launch a preemptive nuclear strike on Canada. I am still waiting for Delta Force to try to rescue the two Canadians (maybe more to come).

We spanked the US silly the last time we went to war. But I guess, for you, ignorance is a blessing

The present condition of NK clearly shows which country actually lost the Korean War. Those who are spoon fed by their CCP will never be able to comprehend this.

 

[Feng Leng]

The present condition of NK clearly shows which country actually lost the Korean War. Those who are spoon fed by their CCP will never be able to comprehend this.

If Bangaldeshi was next to North Korea, Bangladeshis would be jumping the border.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Canada can only process the extradition request on what was stipulated as the rationale on it at the time of filing from US DOJ.

Trump only knew of all of this after it had all happened (or you telling me he personally orders and directs all the AG offices cases?) and he made his comment on it regarding what could happen down the road after far more things have been set into motion.

If China feels it was "Trump intent" from the start....that is a feeling they can endorse for themselves and act accordingly (and get all the consequences from that too). No one else at the requisite levels is buying it (and I doubt China's govt seriously does either behind its posturing and optics). China can also be the first country to set an example in producing public evidence before charges are laid/arrests/extraditions are made too...before asking others to do so (while it doesnt).

I don't think anyone in the world seriously believes that the Meng case is completely free of any politics.

When Canada claimed that it was purely an issue of law and order, they were quickly slapped down by Donald Trump.

And personally I find it hard to believe that it was a coincidence that Meng was arrested on the very same day that Trump was negotiating a trade truce with China, and immediately after the US has been forcing their allies to stay away from Huawei.

The entire case is soaked with politics from top to bottom. Judicial independence is a great buzzword just like America claiming to protect freedom and democracy across the world, but tell that to Cohen and Manafort, the latter of which will get off with a pardon. Justice for them, depends on how much they are favoured by Donald Trump, or what he ate for breakfast that day. The entire system is a joke, just go to the poor urban areas and ask any young black man there how much they trust in the American justice system.

In fact the unilateral American reversal of the Iran sanctions (which violates international law, i.e. UNSC resolution 2231) and their abuse of the Canadian extradition treaty (not in good faith), are both perfect examples of the primacy of politics over the rule of law.

In realpolitik we know this is the case, however many in the US and Canada seem to be confused by their own soundbites about freedom and democracy bombs. What we are seeing now is clearly that the law is being wielded as a blunt political hammer. Their rule of law is tissue paper in the hands of politicians.

 

[Feng Leng]

The entire system is a joke, just go to the poor urban areas and ask any young black man there how much they trust in the American justice system.

The US justice system is a Jew rigged game. For normal cases, you need to pay the Jew a significant amount of money even if you are innocent. It's a giant rent extraction racket. For political cases like this one, the results are dictated by the Jewish interest, which is pretty much AIPAC's interest. There is no way Jews are going to say "no" to the Trump administration for the sake of some Chinese lady.

 

[Sanchez]

The present condition of NK clearly shows which country actually lost the Korean War. Those who are spoon fed by their CCP will never be able to comprehend this.

Oh really! Here we have a big BD bold idiot who is claiming KR victory. Where were you? East Pakistani?

 

[jhungary]

I don't think anyone in the world seriously believes that the Meng case is completely free of any politics.

When Canada claimed that it was purely an issue of law and order, they were quickly slapped down by Donald Trump.

And personally I find it hard to believe that it was a coincidence that Meng was arrested on the very same day that Trump was negotiating a trade truce with China, and immediately after the US has been forcing their allies to stay away from Huawei.

The entire case is soaked with politics from top to bottom. Judicial independence is a great buzzword just like America claiming to protect freedom and democracy across the world, but tell that to Cohen and Manafort, the latter of which will get off with a pardon. Justice for them, depends on how much they are favoured by Donald Trump, or what he ate for breakfast that day. The entire system is a joke, just go to the poor urban areas and ask any young black man there how much they trust in the American justice system.

In fact the unilateral American reversal of the Iran sanctions (which violates international law, i.e. UNSC resolution 2231) and their abuse of the Canadian extradition treaty (not in good faith), are both perfect examples of the primacy of politics over the rule of law.

In realpolitik we know this is the case, however many in the US and Canada seem to be confused by their own soundbites about freedom and democracy bombs. What we are seeing now is clearly that the law is being wielded as a blunt political hammer. Their rule of law is tissue paper in the hands of politicians.

Ahh..Mr @Chinese-Dragon on law again.

Please do tell me how US violate UN Security Council Resolution 2231, when UNSC 2231 itself is a plan of action? The only country that can violate UNSC 2231 is Iran, because that is the plan of action to dictate whether or not Iran have follow the previous UNSC regarding nuclear disarmament, and if they do, a further UNSC resolution would then be voted to lift Iran Sanction at UN Level.

US, UK, Germany and France (3 out of 5 p5) wrote in a letter to UN AG Bi Ki-Moon suggesting that Iran did not completely denuclearized and hence there were no subsequent resolution to lift Iran Sanction. By the way, if there exist any proposal resolution to actually lift Iran sanction, US, as a Permeant member of Security council, can veto it either way and not letting it pass.

So, again, how US violate international law (ie UNSC 2231)?

Again, if you don't know something, you should not talk about it like you are an expert of the field...

 

[BringHarmony]

If that's true how come they can't build their own 5G infrastructure?

Have you ever considered that it may be a business decision? Almost all the people I know still use 3G while 4G has been widely available for quite sometime now. Why? Because it is cheap, fast enough, almost ubiquitous and it does not drain batteries of your phone.
Maybe, just maybe, demand for 5G is not just there.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Have you ever considered that it may be a business decision? Almost all the people I know still use 3G while 4G has been widely available for quite sometime now. Why? Because it is cheap, fast enough, almost ubiquitous and it does not drain batteries of your phone.
Maybe, just maybe, demand for 5G is not just there.

I didn't say won't, I said they can't.

If America had the capability to set up a 5G infrastructure network, they would be openly competing in the global market along with Huawei and Ericsson. And if they had superior capabilities they would easily grab up all the contracts without having to resort to dirty political tricks.

But instead they aren't even competing, they are using politics, and the supremacy of politics over the rule of law (e.g. the unilateral reversal of Iran sanctions) in order to "compete" in the business sphere.

After all, Donald Trump describes himself as the "tariff man". First he hit Canada with tariffs, then he openly called the Canadian government cowards, now he has got them into a dispute with China and thrown them under the bus instead of helping. In this case the rule of law is nothing more than a tool of politics.

 

[BringHarmony]

I didn't say won't, I said they can't.

Oh? So a companies like Qualcomm cann't setup 5G network and they need to kidnap a Chinese executive to force Huawei to not develop 5G or market 5G. Does it sound even remotely possible?

Lets not even go in the technical nuts and bolts. There is a much much simpler line of thought which you are missing. If I am a telecom vendor and I don't have a particular product, what I will do is to order the same product from say Hauwei and put my branding on it and get necessary certification and sell it in my market and provide support. Thats how most of the equipment industry works! Not everyone produces everything but they cross-license and buy chipsets, equipment and technology from each other.

At one point of time, Japan was the best manufacturer and developer for computer parts like floppy drives, CD drives etc. I don't think US arrested Sony or Panasonic executives to stop them from developing and selling these products.

If America had the capability to set up a 5G infrastructure network, they would be openly competing in the global market along with Huawei and Ericsson.

Every country protects its own industry. And China does it too. In fact way more aggressively.

After all, Donald Trump describes himself as the "tariff man". First he hit Canada with tariffs, then he openly called the Canadian government cowards, now he has got them into a dispute with China and thrown them under the bus instead of helping. In this case the rule of law is nothing more than a tool of politics.

Donald Trump has called himself many things and has claimed many things but most of the people in US and Canada know him for what he is. A loud motormouth.
Infact the 'trade deal' he signed with Canada is simply a rehash of what was there in NAFTA.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I don't think US arrested Sony or Panasonic executives to stop them from developing and selling these products.

Yes, in fact the USA never arrested ANY foreign business executives based on charges related to the Iran sanctions.

Let alone kidnapping them during a change in flights.

This case has no precedent, it is truly groundbreaking.

 

[Nilgiri]

I don't think anyone in the world seriously believes that the Meng case is completely free of any politics.

When Canada claimed that it was purely an issue of law and order, they were quickly slapped down by Donald Trump.

And personally I find it hard to believe that it was a coincidence that Meng was arrested on the very same day that Trump was negotiating a trade truce with China, and immediately after the US has been forcing their allies to stay away from Huawei.

The entire case is soaked with politics from top to bottom. Judicial independence is a great buzzword just like America claiming to protect freedom and democracy across the world, but tell that to Cohen and Manafort, the latter of which will get off with a pardon. Justice for them, depends on how much they are favoured by Donald Trump, or what he ate for breakfast that day. The entire system is a joke, just go to the poor urban areas and ask any young black man there how much they trust in the American justice system.

In fact the unilateral American reversal of the Iran sanctions (which violates international law, i.e. UNSC resolution 2231) and their abuse of the Canadian extradition treaty (not in good faith), are both perfect examples of the primacy of politics over the rule of law.

In realpolitik we know this is the case, however many in the US and Canada seem to be confused by their own soundbites about freedom and democracy bombs. What we are seeing now is clearly that the law is being wielded as a blunt political hammer. Their rule of law is tissue paper in the hands of politicians.

We will have to agree to disagree on some matters. Let us wait and see how it plays out.