Give orange metro subsidy or build schools and hospitals.

[Path-Finder]

Hate clouds our judgement,i had a long debated with @war&peace and i suggested that thieves should be shot,he said you want anarchy in Pakistan,they should be dealt using Law and we have seen where Law has landed us.
PPP is the one which started Pakistan on this course after 2008.


They would book me up under false charges.

anarchy is a ladder! all one can do is be hopeful and not lose hope. But I side with shooting all crooks when it comes to Pakistan.

 

[Sine Nomine]

anarchy is a ladder! all one can do is be hopeful and not lose hope. But I side with shooting all crooks when it comes to Pakistan.

There is no hope under evil shadow of these people in here.Land demands their blood.Base of state is demanding blood of those who have tried making it weak.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

Stick to the topic please.

 

[Zibago]

its also necessary just like schools and hospitals

For a small portion of Lahore not the entire province which has to subsidize it

 

[krash]

a simple google search is all it took me!
https://blueswandaily.com/pia-records-41-revenue-increase-in-h1fy2019-2020/

Yeah, a better google search would have revealed how that report does not mean anything without disclosing the cost incurred alongside it. Similar claims were also made during PMLN and PPP tenures. There's a reason why they talk about revenue and never profit or loss. Profit and revenue are two very different things.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1507266
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...validates-pias-claims-of-increase-in-revenue/

so its your word against mine now!

Seems like it. Thought you'd be fine with it too, seeing as you were perfectly fine with presenting just your word.

I have seen an improvement! If you haven't then what can I do about it!?

Don't think you can do much about it, except give it the same credence that you expected for your own word?

please expand on it? is BRT going to cost the coffers inflated amount of money as mentioned in OP weather it runs or not? was it negotiated like khatti train was weather it runs or not according to contrat you pay out.

It was more aimed at "By the way how many schools and hospitals have been built in the kabaria days they have been in power so long and taken many turns ruling Punjab and central government! couldn't even build a hospital to fix mians platan chamchay and dongay."

The poster asked if PTI had done something about those schools and hospitals that Buzdar is so worried about. Your answer was that PMLN didn't do it either. Pretty simple.

my peo isn't that daft. many people peo's out there aren't that bloody daft either. what c#unt makes a contract that incurs losses upon a nation? entertain me on that please.

Well, if your peo lives in Pakistan then I have news for you. If not, then he's free.

The said "c#unt" did what he did, time to stop his current placeholder from doing more of the same.


Btw, I'm still waiting on a response on how keeping the Orange Line inactive will save us from paying the interest.

 

[Path-Finder]

Yeah, a better google search would have revealed how that report does not mean anything without disclosing the cost incurred alongside it. Similar claims were also made during PMLN and PPP tenures. There's a reason why they talk about revenue and never profit or loss. Profit and revenue are two very different things.

https://www.dawn.com/news/1507266
https://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/20...validates-pias-claims-of-increase-in-revenue/

I didn't use a defective google here is what I got as results. There were claims of profit making in PIA in previous two gov's? Lets just put a full stop right there! how does the previous gov which was about to sell something and it was almost stopped from selling it due to mismanagement was making profit? Anyway lets take that as a mine word against yours.

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...hUKEwi_8c3CpNvnAhVTQ8AKHb6MD30Q4dUDCAs&uact=5

Seems like it. Thought you'd be fine with it too, seeing as you were perfectly fine with presenting just your word.

over 10 years of using it 2-3 times a year, I guess I pulled gas out of my arse.

It was more aimed at "By the way how many schools and hospitals have been built in the kabaria days they have been in power so long and taken many turns ruling Punjab and central government! couldn't even build a hospital to fix mians platan chamchay and dongay."

The poster asked if PTI had done something about those schools and hospitals that Buzdar is so worried about. Your answer was that PMLN didn't do it either. Pretty simple.

forgive me, if someone took a dump on my/your doorstep during the last 15 years as an example, then in the last 2 years no one has defecated on that spot but the previous defecation is still there! we should rightfully blame those who's job it is to deal with the build up of manure as they are expected to clean it! but can we just briskly brush it under the rug or forget the actual culprit who did the act?

Well, if your peo lives in Pakistan then I have news for you. If not, then he's free.

The said "c#unt" did what he did, time to stop his current placeholder from doing more of the same.


Btw, I'm still waiting on a response on how keeping the Orange Line inactive will save us from paying the interest.

sadly my peo isnt in Pakistan but I can tell you he is fuming as it is unacceptable. If we should let the kant responsible for it go then why can't the small man who is banged in the nick be let off? bigger kant has no consequences but little kant has hellfire brimstone waiting for em.

My whole bleeding argument is, why in the f#ck's name was the contract made in the way it was? WHY! what runt does that on purpose like LNG contract of 15 years to be purchased at fixed $8 while LNG is getting cheaper. are you ok with LNG scam too?

 

[Path-Finder]

 

[krash]

I didn't use a defective google here is what I got as results. There were claims of profit making in PIA in previous two gov's? Lets just put a full stop right there! how does the previous gov which was about to sell something and it was almost stopped from selling it due to mismanagement was making profit?

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...hUKEwi_8c3CpNvnAhVTQ8AKHb6MD30Q4dUDCAs&uact=5

Here's an idea, maybe you read my posts and the links I provide before you respond? Or maybe read up on the very elementary concepts of revenue, profit and loss? How revenue is not equal to profit? Would save us both a lot of time. Would also tell you how the claims of 30% and 40% increase in revenue are disingenuous and designed to manipulate you. Here's another source,

PIA chief’s profitability statement termed ‘market manipulation’

Furthermore, has PTI or the current PIA administration claimed to have made a profit? Your links don't state that yet you somehow keep claiming it.

And then below are links claiming increase in revenue and even profit during the reigns of PMLN and PPP. Do you think they were accurate?

PIA revenue increased by Rs2 bn in 2017

PIA records Rs2.8bn profit in first quarter of this year

PIA attains profit of Rs1.67bn for first quarter of 2014

PIA Reports Operating Profit for 3rd Consecutive Month

Guess what? They are all disingenuous statements designed to give an image opposite of reality, just like the 40% increase in revenue bit.

Anyway lets take that as a mine word against yours.

No, no...go through the links and post accordingly. Let's put that high IQ to work, eh?

over 10 years of using it 2-3 times a year, I guess I pulled gas out of my arse.

I take it you're the only one who has used it?

forgive me, if someone took a dump on my/your doorstep during the last 15 years as an example, then in the last 2 years no one has defecated on that spot but the previous defecation is still there! we should rightfully blame those who's job it is to deal with the build up of manure as they are expected to clean it! but can we just briskly brush it under the rug or forget the actual culprit who did the act?

That's where we part ways. There's no debating what the last guy did. However, now when the new guy keeps on adding to the pile, doing the exact same things as the one before, you not only pretend as if it's not happening, you join him in blaming the last guy. God forbid you demand the new guy to shut up and clean it up.

sadly my peo isnt in Pakistan but I can tell you he is fuming as it is unacceptable. If we should let the kant responsible for it go then why can't the small man who is banged in the nick be let off? bigger kant has no consequences but little kant has hellfire brimstone waiting for em.

Well let's ask those who let him go. Oh wait......no, no, it was the judiciary. Same people who've never made an independent decision in their lives.

My whole bleeding argument is, why in the f#ck's name was the contract made in the way it was? WHY! what runt does that on purpose like LNG contract of 15 years to be purchased at fixed $8 while LNG is getting cheaper. are you ok with LNG scam too?

Wait, when did I say I was ok with how the orange line was built? On this thread, we are discussing the enforced closure of the Orange Line by PTI. Pretty sure you can find my views on the original proposal for the Orange Line on this forum from the time when it was proposed. Since they are beyond this thread you can read them here,
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/laho...t-news-and-updates.286707/page-2#post-5593422

You really need to read others' posts with a bit more diligence.

 

[Path-Finder]

Here's an idea, maybe you read my posts and the links I provide before you respond? Or maybe read up on the very elementary concepts of revenue, profit and loss? How revenue is not equal to profit? Would save us both a lot of time. Would also tell you how the claims of 30% and 40% increase in revenue are disingenuous and designed to manipulate you. Here's another source,

PIA chief’s profitability statement termed ‘market manipulation’

Furthermore, has PTI or the current PIA administration claimed to have made a profit? Your links don't state that yet you somehow keep claiming it.

And then below are links claiming increase in revenue and even profit during the reigns of PMLN and PPP. Do you think they were accurate?

PIA revenue increased by Rs2 bn in 2017

PIA records Rs2.8bn profit in first quarter of this year

PIA attains profit of Rs1.67bn for first quarter of 2014

PIA Reports Operating Profit for 3rd Consecutive Month

Guess what? They are all disingenuous statements designed to give an image opposite of reality, just like the 40% increase in revenue bit.

ok I went through the link and please improve my IQ, The headline says there has been a market manipulation but the article states that "can be taken as" market manipulation!
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PIA chief’s profitability statement termed ‘market manipulation’

Listen

ISLAMABAD: The Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan Policy Board termed a statement of PIA chief executive officer regarding the airline’s profitability as tantamount to ‘market manipulation’, seeking enforcement against this.

"The SECP board took serious note of the statement of the CEO of Pakistan International Airlines Corporation regarding profitability of PIA, which prima facie can be taken as manipulating the market," an official statement said on Saturday, referring to the board’s meeting presided over by Khalid Mirza.

“The commission has been directed to look into and take appropriate enforcement action.”

PIA CEO Air Marshal Arshad Malik said PIA’s revenue has increased by more than 40 percent during the past six months.

“PIA has achieved unprecedented numbers of performance and all set to take more aggressive course,” Malik said in a statement last week.

The policy board directed the SECP to develop a system by which public sector organisations are duly monitored for any possible violations of the laws administered by the SECP.

The board called for measures to ensure that service orientation is inculcated in the staff rather than the current obstructive and ‘ruler-like’ mindset.

The board expressed concern over non-appointment of CEO of Pakistan Stock Exchange (PSX) for several months.

The board directed the commission to revisit the proposed growth enterprise market listing regulations of PSX to ease the entire market and make provision for a premium board for a premium tier in the stock exchange for the growth of the capital market and encouraging initial public offerings in the primary market.

The policy board comprises ex-officio members of the ministries of finance, commerce, and law, State Bank of Pakistan, SECP and representatives of private sector. It was noted that ex-officio secretaries who are members of the board do not attend meetings and invariably sent nominees to the meetings.

On SECP annual report 2019, the board asked the commission to go back to the ‘drawing board’ and ensure, “it is professional, it portrays facts that are both positive and negative, states clearly the problems faced by the commission during the past year particularly in reference to unwarranted intrusion by LEAs (law enforcement agencies) and also states realistically future goals and strategic plans of the commission”.

The policy board said the draft of Insurance Bill 2019 should be reviewed to remove harsh regulatory impediments that hamper the overall growth of insurance sector with the aim to facilitate the ease of doing business in the country. Further, the draft of law amendments should be simplified and be based on principles.

The policy board further took up the matter to initiate review process of the Securities Act 2015 to “remove harsh regulatory impediments that hamper the overall growth of securities market with the aim to facilitate the ease of doing business in the country”.

The board also took the decision to review and rationalise the Futures Act 2016 and the Limited Liability Partnership Act 2017, which are onerous and cumbersome, “so as to constitute a facilitating regulatory environment”.

The board also advised the commission to revisit the Regulatory Sandbox Guidelines 2019 (Insurance) and called for appropriate amendments into the companies (further issue of capital) regulations 2018 to facilitate and promote the mobilisation of capital.

The board approved the General Takaful Accounting Regulations 2019, the Provisional Manager and Official Liquidator Regulations 2019, Corporate Rehabilitation Regulations 2019, directive on adoption of IFRS-14 Regulatory Deferral Accounts under section 225 of Companies Act 17, the directive on financial reporting of family window takaful operations by life insurers, and compliance of compulsory group insurance under the Industrial and Commercial Employment (Standing Order) Ordinance 1968.
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I used me defunct google and typed PIA profit market manipulation. I see almost one article with some changes made to it, BUT what you say I Will accept as the holy gospel, ceede you the victory and I will bow out to you in defeat!

https://www.google.com/search?rlz=1...hUKEwj7odWXp9znAhX1oFwKHYmQD4cQ4dUDCAs&uact=5

I looked up PIA privatise by tooi party too. this is what my bogus search engine told me.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=pmln+privatise+pia

No, no...go through the links and post accordingly. Let's put that high IQ to work, eh?

I will make it a homework and put extra attention to the links.

I take it you're the only one who has used it?

I guess you have used it more than I have. I don't use it every day and if you think my word is not good enough than I respect your POV.

That's where we part ways. There's no debating what the last guy did. However, now when the new guy keeps on adding to the pile, doing the exact same things as the one before, you not only pretend as if it's not happening, you join him in blaming the last guy. God forbid you demand the new guy to shut up and clean it up.

ok, at least you have partially come around to the fact of some wrongdoing by those who put this burden upon the public, how is the new guy adding to the pile? new guy has increased the liabilities of what the taxpayers will have to fork out? please do tell me how it has been made even worse.

Wait, when did I say I was ok with how the orange line was built? On this thread, we are discussing the enforced closure of the Orange Line by PTI. Pretty sure you can find my views on the original proposal for the Orange Line on this forum from the time when it was proposed. Since they are beyond this thread you can read them here,
https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/laho...t-news-and-updates.286707/page-2#post-5593422

I re-read what you quoted and responded to. I don't see where I singled you out and pointed a finger at you!

My whole bleeding argument is, why in the f#ck's name was the contract made in the way it was? WHY! what runt does that on purpose like LNG contract of 15 years to be purchased at fixed $8 while LNG is getting cheaper. are you ok with LNG scam too?

I can't find anywhere in the quote where I said you are pro this or not pro that! My IQ must be low.

You really need to read others' posts with a bit more diligence.

I always aim to better myself, never claim to be perfect and I am not without fault. will take this onboard to improve as an individual.

 

[Maxpane]

For a small portion of Lahore not the entire province which has to subsidize it

thats logical point but i want to say that development project which could ease the people's problems also necessary. your point is also valid

 

[B.K.N]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1226719353221111809

 

[Bouncer]

So what's the solution? Infrastructure and loans are done and dusted. We are stuck with it. Now what is the solution? That's your job CM Punjab sb. I voted for PTI to fix shit like this. Not to hear you guys whine about what happened in last 40 years. You knew how messed up situation was (is) and so did the voters. That's why you were voted in. Now do you fucking job instead of whining and political point scoring.

 

[Maxpane]

So what's the solution? Infrastructure and loans are done and dusted. We are stuck with it. Now what is the solution? That's your job CM Punjab sb. I voted for PTI to fix shit like this. Not to hear you guys whine about what happened in last 40 years. You knew how messed up situation was (is) and so did the voters. That's why you were voted in. Now do you fucking job instead of whining and political point scoring.

1000% agree sir

 

[War Thunder]

Why do they want to charge 60 Rs? Why can't they charge more than that?

We pay AED 3 (3 United Arab Emirates Dirham equals 126.32 Pakistani Rupee)
for in zone travel, AED 5 for intra zone, and AED 7.50 for crossing 2 zones.

 

[Rashid Mahmood]

Simple Solution.

Charge all PMLN followers Rs 500/- per ticket. They will pay as they claim it to be their great leaders project.
The rest can be charged at subsidized rates.